MinatoSparkle
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They're only 8-A, that's a pretty big issue
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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I think I asked why a long time ago and there was also a thread addressing it. However, it seems like they are to remain at 8-A, idk how likely that is to change though. SSK kinda just kept robbing every chance they had at jumping a teir.
Arkenis
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They will stay 8-A.
MinatoSparkle
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I mean there's stuff unrelated to that like Maki slamming Sukuna away. Also her dura is definitely Tier 7.
Arkenis
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Toji never fights anyone stronger. Maki never does damage to Sukuna, so they stay 8-A. 7-C is also likely to be scrapped. (M3x can dream)
MinatoSparkle
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Doesn't do significant damage, but overpowers him at times
Arkenis
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She can lift him and push him, that is it really.
MinatoSparkle
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VSBW's distinction between striking strength and lifting strength is quite something
Arkenis
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I mean even if you don't separate them, she just never hurts him. And should we really be scaling characters off lifting and pushing each other?
MinatoSparkle
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I do think knocking people away is just an indication of physical strength in general. And Sukuna's comment about Yuji being half assed compared to Maki doesn't hurt.
Arkenis
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Me when I push an 80 year old man and his bones break.
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He was talking about HR
MinatoSparkle
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I know, but the comparison doesn't really make sense if Yuji's physically stronger. The main reason to compare her to Yuji would be their physicals as that's what Yuji stands out for. Contextually, Sukuna's saying that Yuji is half assed as he doesn't fully lean into body or sorcery, making him an incomplete mishmash, while Maki is pure strength and better for it.
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What Tier do you think they deserve
MinatoSparkle
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Low 7-C like the other top tiers
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No one is staying at Low 7-C. Maki is 8-A because it was easy to just update her profile and Toji’s. Everyone would either scale to that or something else that is not Low 7-C.
Maki and Toji are just a sneak peek of what’s coming for literally everyone not named Sukuna or Gojo.
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Actually, unless we're throwing out Gojo's earthquake calc there should be a way for most end of series characters to end up in tier 7
EldemadeDityjon
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That is how it is.
Arkenis
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Huh how does Gojo's earthquake feat have to do with the eos characters?
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Got me acting unwise cause good LORD
MinatoSparkle
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I was gonna say cause Miguel scales to Gojo's physicals and Yuta is overall superior to Miguel
MinatoSparkle
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He's the second strongest sorcerer, so with his CTs he should scale at least
You know the whole point and line movements statement?
Arkenis
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That’s about Miguel fighting better not about being strong as Gojo. Line movement is like blocking/dodging and point is about kicking and punching. You can read the tcb also which is explicitly about Miguel winning in spirit but losing the fight.
Giannysmag
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Arkenis
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M3X 2.0/JJKStats
vsbattles.fandom.com
Should finish this up before anything else. Yuji's stats are abysmal compared to the rest of the pages lol
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This is not the sandbox we’re using, this one was for the previous CRT I made. Add a “2” in the end of the URL.M3X 2.0/JJKStats
Should finish this up before anything else. Yuji's stats are abysmal compared to the rest of the pages lol
As for Yuji, Gin already did everything.
MinatoSparkle
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Exactly. If Miguel is better punching and kicking, he has better AP and striking speed, and if Gojo's better at blocking/dodging, he has better durability/reaction speed
The TCB versions says Miguel would lose the marathon but win the sprint so no?
Giannysmag
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I still wanna make a few more minor changes but uni is being a bitch so I didn't really have the time
Arkenis
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No Miguel's better at fighting not better ap and striking speed... where did striking speed even come from. Line and Point movement are about fighting not being stronger.
MinatoSparkle
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Strength is ability to fight. Striking speed is a key part of punching and kicking. Why do you think Gojo excluded CTs in his statement? Cause with Blue amping his stats, Gojo would be better at point movements too
Arkenis
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Line and point movement isn’t about strength its about how they fight. Miguel is BETTER at point, while Gojo is BETTER at linear. This is NOT about physical strength. Nothing implies this is about physical strength and idk why you’re changing the definition of strength to “ability to fight” when you were arguing about ap before.
MinatoSparkle
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What do you think better even is? Miguel is better in a punching or kicking contest but he's weaker and slower at doing those things? How does that make any sense? And why is CE reinforcement mentioned if it's purely a skill statement and nothing to do with stats?
Ability to fight includes strength and speed
Arkenis
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Doing something at a greater degree. Being of higher quality.
You originally argued AP so drop this random speed shit. Ce reinforcement is the only thing sorcerers have besides their cursed techniques, Gojo’s just saying “oh if we fought fists only, he’d be the better fighter, but I’d win”. And you must be joking or you’re experiencing genuine JJK brainrot; a person can be slower at punching and kicking but be the better fighter, this is a common occurrence across real life and fiction.
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Miguel ruins the scaling since Gojo made it obvious that he is talking about raw strenght in his statement
"Buf if Miguel and I competed physically without cursed techniques but with cursed energy reinforcement [...]" - Viz
"If Miguel and I were to fight bare knuckle with only cursed energy enhancement and no techniques [...]" - TCB
So except if we assume that Gojo is only High 7-C with CT, Miguel should be High 7-C
"Buf if Miguel and I competed physically without cursed techniques but with cursed energy reinforcement [...]" - Viz
"If Miguel and I were to fight bare knuckle with only cursed energy enhancement and no techniques [...]" - TCB
So except if we assume that Gojo is only High 7-C with CT, Miguel should be High 7-C
Arkenis
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He's not talking about raw strength. You guys are focusing on ce reinforcement as if it proves something, its the main way sorcerers fight without ct, that's why Gojo says it, not because he's saying Miguel is strong as him. And what further proves this is about skill and how they fight is the line and point movement reference.
Lightning made a tweet about this and how its not about Miguel being strong as Gojo but about the way they both fight.
"Basically, Miguel is like the guy who wants to push as far as he can without necessarily defeating or killing his opponentGojo is all about the results and getting straight to the point (annihilating his opponent)"
"Yeah, without CT and with only CE reinforcement, I believe Gojo was referring to the way in which they fightMiguel likes to go big or go home, sometimes with great results. He’s not about the killGojo is all about lethality, making sure his opponent is incapacitated"
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When it comes to Miguel scaling to Gojo, it can be tricky for me. Admittedly, I like it though, but still tricky.
Hope this makes sense!
- The chapter that brings it up not only has the that whole line movements statement and Gojo's bit of glazing for Miguel's physical stature and capabilities. Despite the "biases" that Miguel pointed out, nothing he says dissuades Gojo's assessment of his capabilities, just that it has nothing to w/his race and only w/Miguel being Miguel.
- Most interpretations of the line movements imply circumstances of an actual match, to me, and that they'd be somewhat comparable for it to happen. Otherwise, in that sense, it would sound like Goku fighting a Hercule w/better technique in certain areas.
- Not to mention how Miguel was able to take that beating from Gojo and "debatably" hold him off.
Hope this makes sense!
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That's some mental gymnastics
Yuta asked if Miguel could beat Gojo
Gojo says no, that even without CT he could win with stamina
If the difference between Miguel and Gojo were as big as Low 7-C/High 7-C he would just say "Nah man, are you crazy? I would vaporize him in the first hit"
Lightning is the same guy that argued that Hakari decapitated Uraume, so I wouldn't take him like some WoG
Yuta asked if Miguel could beat Gojo
Gojo says no, that even without CT he could win with stamina
If the difference between Miguel and Gojo were as big as Low 7-C/High 7-C he would just say "Nah man, are you crazy? I would vaporize him in the first hit"
Lightning is the same guy that argued that Hakari decapitated Uraume, so I wouldn't take him like some WoG
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It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.
8% of that would end up with them in 7-C
