Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

Miguel ruins the scaling since Gojo made it obvious that he is talking about raw strenght in his statement

"Buf if Miguel and I competed physically without cursed techniques but with cursed energy reinforcement [...]" - Viz
"If Miguel and I were to fight bare knuckle with only cursed energy enhancement and no techniques [...]" - TCB

So except if we assume that Gojo is only High 7-C with CT, Miguel should be High 7-C

He's not talking about raw strength. You guys are focusing on ce reinforcement as if it proves something, its the main way sorcerers fight without ct, that's why Gojo says it, not because he's saying Miguel is strong as him. And what further proves this is about skill and how they fight is the line and point movement reference.

Lightning made a tweet about this and how its not about Miguel being strong as Gojo but about the way they both fight.
"Basically, Miguel is like the guy who wants to push as far as he can without necessarily defeating or killing his opponentGojo is all about the results and getting straight to the point (annihilating his opponent)"
"Yeah, without CT and with only CE reinforcement, I believe Gojo was referring to the way in which they fightMiguel likes to go big or go home, sometimes with great results. He’s not about the killGojo is all about lethality, making sure his opponent is incapacitated"

 

[JnSteHar002]

When it comes to Miguel scaling to Gojo, it can be tricky for me. Admittedly, I like it though, but still tricky.

• The chapter that brings it up not only has the that whole line movements statement and Gojo's bit of glazing for Miguel's physical stature and capabilities. Despite the "biases" that Miguel pointed out, nothing he says dissuades Gojo's assessment of his capabilities, just that it has nothing to w/his race and only w/Miguel being Miguel.
• Most interpretations of the line movements imply circumstances of an actual match, to me, and that they'd be somewhat comparable for it to happen. Otherwise, in that sense, it would sound like Goku fighting a Hercule w/better technique in certain areas.
• Not to mention how Miguel was able to take that beating from Gojo and "debatably" hold him off.

However, at least for me, I'm not sure what Gojo's physicals/CE reinforcement scales to since he utilizes Limitless so much in his fights and if that it can actually scale back to Gojo's physical capabilities in any way. My best guess, keyword GUESS, is that Gojo would scale to Sukuna and/or Yuta in terms of physicals/CE reinforcement.

Hope this makes sense!

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That's some mental gymnastics

Yuta asked if Miguel could beat Gojo
Gojo says no, that even without CT he could win with stamina
If the difference between Miguel and Gojo were as big as Low 7-C/High 7-C he would just say "Nah man, are you crazy? I would vaporize him in the first hit"

Lightning is the same guy that argued that Hakari decapitated Uraume, so I wouldn't take him like some WoG

 

[Duedate8898]

Huh how does Gojo's earthquake feat have to do with the eos characters?

It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.

8% of that would end up with them in 7-C

 

[Arkenis]

Lightning is the same guy that argued that Hakari decapitated Uraume, so I wouldn't take him like some WoG

I’m going with the fact he’s a real translator that’s translated jjk before and understands what’s being conveyed rather than going with the basic powerscaler assessment.

That's some mental gymnastics

Yuta asked if Miguel could beat Gojo
Gojo says no, that even without CT he could win with stamina
If the difference between Miguel and Gojo were as big as Low 7-C/High 7-C he would just say "Nah man, are you crazy? I would vaporize him in the first hit"

Maybe lets not assess the manga as though Gege knows about Low 7C and High 7C lmao.

 

[Arkenis]

It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.

8% of that would end up with them in 7-C

Really starting to feel like Sisyphus. But this doesn’t work since the context iirc is about his output with his ct not his physicals.

 

[Duedate8898]

It does work because Yuji is directly shown tanking Sukuna slashes with the lowered output. Even without a UES, tanking attacks from 10% of 16F would translate to these characters tanking slashing attacks from 8% Sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

It does work because Yuji is directly shown tanking Sukuna slashes with the lowered output. Even without a UES, tanking attacks from 10% of 16F would translate to these characters tanking slashing attacks from 8% Sukuna

It has to do with how Yuji and Maki could harm 10% at most Meguna. Since Sukuna at full power would scale to Gojo at full power, and we know that all of the sorcerers are stronger than their culling games self, that means that Yuji and those that scale to him should be at least or at most 8% of full power Sukuna.

8% of that would end up with them in 7-C

How does 8% of FP Sukuna equate to 10% of 16f?

 

[Duedate8898]

16F is 80% of 20F of power. Therefore, 10% at 16F would be 8% at 20

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I’m going with the fact he’s a real translator that’s translated jjk before and understands what’s being conveyed rather than going with the basic powerscaler assessment.

Still as useful as a grain of salt

Maybe lets not assess the manga as though Gege knows about Low 7C and High 7C lmao.

It doesn't matter if he knows these values. What matter is if he thinks the gap between the two is big or not

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Doing something at a greater degree. Being of higher quality.

Yes, I agree. And having better stats is being of higher quality.

You originally argued AP so drop this random speed shit.

I'm just talking about physicals in general because that's what Gojo's talking about

Ce reinforcement is the only thing sorcerers have besides their cursed techniques

No? They have their basic physicals with CE taken out of the equation. Gojo is specifically saying Miguel's impressive body WITH CE reinforcement enhancing that is what makes him so scary.

Gojo’s just saying “oh if we fought fists only, he’d be the better fighter, but I’d win”. And you must be joking or you’re experiencing genuine JJK brainrot; a person can be slower at punching and kicking but be the better fighter, this is a common occurrence across real life and fiction.

He didn't even say he would win, just that he's better at parrying and dodging and stuff. And someone can be more skilled, but that's not the same as being better overall. If someone is the best/greatest sorcerer, skill is a factor in that, but the most important thing is if they can defeat other sorcerers.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Intelligence:

Below Average (Yuji is dumb[42]. He has the second lowest classroom learning abilities of the Jujutsu High students and is not good at math[1]. He is however the best at cooking among the first year trio and a good singer[1]. Needed to use his fingers to count to five[43])


Who allowed this

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Ion see a problem

 

[M3X_2.0]

Another option is to make Ryu > Uraume in output, and since Ryu can output it regardless of using CT or not, it should be way better to scale Yuta and then Maki, Yuji etc.

7-C still, and consistent with Ryu’s own feat.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Another option is to make Ryu > Uraume in output, and since Ryu can output it regardless of using CT or not, it should be way better to scale Yuta and then Maki, Yuji etc.

7-C still, and consistent with Ryu’s own feat.

Is Uraume a player?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yes

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes

Where's it stated?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Where's it stated?

Somewhere in the manga idk, Kenjaku said it.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Ion see a problem

Do you geniunely think that Goku and Luffy are smarter than Yuji?

 

[Giannysmag]

Intelligence:

Below Average (Yuji is dumb[42]. He has the second lowest classroom learning abilities of the Jujutsu High students and is not good at math[1]. He is however the best at cooking among the first year trio and a good singer[1]. Needed to use his fingers to count to five[43])


Who allowed this

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Somewhere in the manga idk, Kenjaku said it.

Mk I'll look for it

Do you geniunely think that Goku and Luffy are smarter than Yuji?

How is that relevant? We're talking about the accuracy of Yuji's profile here, not the accuracy of others

 

[Arkenis]

Still don’t know how Kenjaku was proud of him

 

[Arkenis]

Do you geniunely think that Goku and Luffy are smarter than Yuji?

Yes??? Luffy understands the fundamental mechanics behind conceptual devil fruits and the fine manipulations that require their 100% potential accessing the epitome of Devil Fruit science. Never disrespect Lufferton again. And Goku has learned alien abilities which require incredible spatial calculations across entire universes down to their subatomic particles beyond the regular 4d spatial and temporal dimensions. These guys are inaccessibly smarter than Yuji could ever be with his puny Cursed Techniques which. Be so real

 

[Ped2018]

Insanely based Arkenis

 

[Duedate8898]

Where's it stated?

Additions for Chapter 220 in the Volume, when Kenjaku includes the rule that the culling game ends when everyone but himself, Sukuna, and uruame's vessel are dead. Also, uruame wouldn't be able to enter the colonies like she did without being a culling game player as there were no rules which added such an exception to allow her beforehand

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Btw Miguel doesn't scale to gojo. Unless you can explain why he didn't one shot brain damaged and severely output nerfed Sukuna who's missing more than half of his CE reserves + severe injuries (lack of arms. We're told this nerfs you. See Naobito and Hana)
Feel free to explain why Miguel was going "Oh shit this is bad Sukuna is in the zone with a Bf. His shitty output rising now. I gotta go.." in the chapter after he landed BF on Larue. Chapter 256.

There's a way to interpret what Gege or precisely gojo wanted to convey there with the statement about Miguel, given the context above that clearly indicates MIGUEL is clearly not on Gojo/Sukuna level, not even comparable or close. Tho it'd take long ig

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Oh. The JJK mobile game might actually be secondary canon...
From what I've heard from someone: It has the same staff as jjk manga and tv.
4 editors from gege's team.
And toho's chief who's in charge of jjk animation.



Yall remember this guy? He's the current editor for Gege. He's also listed as someone with the JJK mobile game.

Sounds quite official to me. Though only issue I could see being is... if events are altered. Tho there's already bunch of stuff added in between events ig? Not sure. Would have to take a deeper look. Just wanted to post this here so yall would know.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Btw Miguel doesn't scale to gojo. Unless you can explain why he didn't one shot brain damaged and severely output nerfed Sukuna who's missing more than half of his CE reserves + severe injuries (lack of arms. We're told this nerfs you. See Naobito and Hana)

Sukuna's always been a durable mofo. He could take a bunch of hits from Blue Gojo without too much damage despite Base RCT blasting Gojo being relative to DE Sukuna. He also withstood 7 Black Flashes from Yuji despite Yuji's regular strength not being so far from his own.

Feel free to explain why Miguel was going "Oh shit this is bad Sukuna is in the zone with a Bf. His shitty output rising now. I gotta go.." in the chapter after he landed BF on Larue. Chapter 256.

Because of the risk of DE

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Sukuna's always been a durable mofo. He could take a bunch of hits from Blue Gojo without too much damage despite Base RCT blasting Gojo being relative to DE Sukuna. He also withstood 7 Black Flashes from Yuji despite Yuji's regular strength not being so far from his own.

So you're saying Miguel with CT amp boost is > Gojo in CE reinforcement and Sukuna with brain damage that ***** over his CE output badly, took these punches in for free. Lol. And this was with having lost half of his CE reserves. Also did you forget that the very same Sukuna had gojo doing holes in him twice? He even teared part of his face with his bare hands. Limbs missing severely brain damaged output nerfed + more than half of his CE reserves Sukuna is not comparable to full health Sukuna. No idea how you can straightforwardly compare them here whilst ignoring this context

Because of the risk of DE

It was never said he was scared of this. You're making things up now

2024 and we're still gassing up Miguel despite seeing his feats. He's not gojo tier and will never be. Period

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So you're saying Miguel with CT amp boost is > Gojo in CE reinforcement

Without Blue, yes. Because it's quite directly stated

and Sukuna with brain damage that ***** over his CE output badly, took these punches in for free. Lol. And this was with having lost half of his CE reserves. Also did you forget that the very same Sukuna had gojo doing holes in him twice? He even teared part of his face with his bare hands. Limbs missing severely brain damaged output nerfed + more than half of his CE reserves Sukuna is not comparable to full health Sukuna. No idea how you can straightforwardly compare them here whilst ignoring this context

1. Blue is truly goated
2. Gojo probably used Red to injure his face considering the similarity to when he previously did that

It was never said he was scared of this. You're making things up now

Contextually supported by him specifically speaking about that in his conditions of fighting Sukuna

2024 and we're still gassing up Miguel despite seeing his feats. He's not gojo tier and will never be. Period

I agree he's not, I have him 1-2 tiers below. Basic physical relativity =/= overall relativity.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Oh. The JJK mobile game might actually be secondary canon...
From what I've heard from someone: It has the same staff as jjk manga and tv.
4 editors from gege's team.
And toho's chief who's in charge of jjk animation.



Yall remember this guy? He's the current editor for Gege. He's also listed as someone with the JJK mobile game.

Sounds quite official to me. Though only issue I could see being is... if events are altered. Tho there's already bunch of stuff added in between events ig? Not sure. Would have to take a deeper look. Just wanted to post this here so yall would know.

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[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Without Blue, yes. Because it's quite directly stated

It's actually stated they're on the same tier without his CT if we take this entire statement at a face value. So Miguel with his CT domain like buff >= Blue Punch Gojo cooked argument

1. Blue is truly goated
2. Gojo probably used Red to injure his face considering the similarity to when he previously did that

Nice way to ignore how much weaker Sukuna was yet Miguel's punches did nothing. Your argument for Miguel being god tier level CE physicals aint working gang.
Also yeah. Fun fact: Gojo holds back his punches Like if you sit down for a second and think about it: We see how dagon doesn't get perception blitzed anymore when he gets the domain buff. In the Anime it's more impressive.
Megumi with a incomplete DE went from being nearly one shotted and blitzed by the finger bearer to a even level with the finger bearer. You can see this in the manga. Anime might make it a lil clearer or not.
So ye. Domain buffs are big gang. Gojo was just that guy who for whatever reason (THERE IS a reason but shrug). And wow what is that? Gojo can put holes in Sukuna with just one punch???
Gojo after getting his CT back blitzes domain amped Sukuna in the first domain battle?? (it's stated CT burnout nerf, does nerf your CE control. Which, in other words means a nerf to output) the same gojo who without domain amp whilst suffering under nonstop injuries + ct burnout nerf + fighting whilst using rct full output on top of CE reinforcement (which even Sukuna noted that he can still easily move well) was pressing Sukuna??

2. It's quite literally never shown that he used red. In Canon you literally only see him use it twice in a "must do" moments. One in chapter 226. The other in chapter 229 where he wanted to one shot maho completely in one go. Keep in the mind that Sukuna is always using DA whenever he engages in a fight with gojo. Hand to hand and the like. It's implied he only turns it off when he's not throwing hands with gojo or the like.
In the second round Sukuna acts like this is the first time he got hit by red whilst he has DA


So no. Gojo did it with his bare hands. Blue Enhanced or not.

Contextually supported by him specifically speaking about that in his conditions of fighting Sukuna

What? There's nothing here saying he thought Sukuna getting into flow would restore his domain. Why would Miguel know this. Infact contrary to what you think. MIGUEL was quite literally surprised to see Sukuna pull off a domain expansion

I agree he's not, I have him 1-2 tiers below. Basic physical relativity =/= overall relativity.

Idk how you can say that when you have him physically above gojo

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It's actually stated they're on the same tier without his CT if we take this entire statement at a face value. So Miguel with his CT domain like buff >= Blue Punch Gojo cooked argument

No? There's nothing contradictory to Blue Gojo>CT Miguel>Base Miguel~Base Gojo

Nice way to ignore how much weaker Sukuna was yet Miguel's punches did nothing. Your argument for Miguel being god tier level CE physicals aint working gang.

That doesn't ignore it, I'm just saying Sukuna is consistently more durable than he is powerful, so Miguel having better strength/speed than Meguna and not doing severe damage to Nerfed Sukuna aren't contradictory

Also yeah. Fun fact: Gojo holds back his punches Like if you sit down for a second and think about it: We see how dagon doesn't get perception blitzed anymore when he gets the domain buff. In the Anime it's more impressive.
Megumi with a incomplete DE went from being nearly one shotted and blitzed by the finger bearer to a even level with the finger bearer. You can see this in the manga. Anime might make it a lil clearer or not.
So ye. Domain buffs are big gang. Gojo was just that guy who for whatever reason (THERE IS a reason but shrug). And wow what is that? Gojo can put holes in Sukuna with just one punch???

Gojo after getting his CT back blitzes domain amped Sukuna in the first domain battle?? (it's stated CT burnout nerf, does nerf your CE control. Which, in other words means a nerf to output) the same gojo who without domain amp whilst suffering under nonstop injuries + ct burnout nerf + fighting whilst using rct full output on top of CE reinforcement (which even Sukuna noted that he can still easily move well) was pressing Sukuna??

Yes. DE is a notable amp but it's not as big an amp as you're making it out to be. Naobito was as you yourself said nerfed by missing an arm and we know sorcerers can get a physical boost with strong emotions with Yuta vs Geto, so you can't attribute his improved performance against the FB to only DE and nothing else. We see more directly in the Megumi vs Reggie fight that DE is a significant boost but it didn't make Megumi no diff Reggie or anything.

2. It's quite literally never shown that he used red. In Canon you literally only see him use it twice in a "must do" moments. One in chapter 226. The other in chapter 229 where he wanted to one shot maho completely in one go. Keep in the mind that Sukuna is always using DA whenever he engages in a fight with gojo. Hand to hand and the like. It's implied he only turns it off when he's not throwing hands with gojo or the like.
In the second round Sukuna acts like this is the first time he got hit by red whilst he has DA


So no. Gojo did it with his bare hands. Blue Enhanced or not.

This is fair, though it could be a case of Gojo offguarding him in some way before he can use DA, cause the injury really is quite similar

What? There's nothing here saying he thought Sukuna getting into flow would restore his domain. Why would Miguel know this. Infact contrary to what you think. MIGUEL was quite literally surprised to see Sukuna pull off a domain expansion

You're missing the point, which is that he didn't want to fight Sukuna when he had his domain, he doesn't talk about anything else. Miguel was surprised after Yuji did the Black Flash rush, which was after Miguel told Larue to flee. Miguel has no reason to fear Sukuna's regular attacks based on what we saw, considering Sukuna quite literally has no strength/speed feats against Miguel (Miguel dodges or blocks all of Sukuna's punches and slashes, he quite literally takes zero damage)

Idk how you can say that when you have him physically above gojo

Gojo with Infinity + Blue + Red + Purple + Unlimited Void + RCT>>>Gojo with just punch and kick. Idk if you do Naruto scaling but it's like how Ay is in the same tier as KCM Naruto/Jonin Minato in raw speed, but as overall fighters they hard cliff him thanks to their jutsu

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

No? There's nothing contradictory to Blue Gojo>CT Miguel>Base Miguel~Base Gojo

? Nothing says that blue gojo > CT Miguel. Best you can go for is >=
Again, this is contradictory as hell.

That doesn't ignore it, I'm just saying Sukuna is consistently more durable than he is powerful, so Miguel having better strength/speed than Meguna and not doing severe damage to Nerfed Sukuna aren't contradictory

Dude. You are blatantly ignoring the very large difference that no amount of "Yeah he is consistently more durable than he is powerful" is gonna work. I've already debunked how that makes no sense. You've got no evidence to make this assertion.
? Dude went REL with Sukuna there and had to surprise him, which Sukuna still reacted. This is not gojo level stats. You're just yapping to yap.
This nerfed Sukuna is several levels below himself inconsistent argument.

I'll take that as you not having a counter argument and that you're just yapping to yap. Thanks.

Yes. DE is a notable amp but it's not as big an amp as you're making it out to be. Naobito was as you yourself said nerfed by missing an arm and we know sorcerers can get a physical boost with strong emotions with Yuta vs Geto, so you can't attribute his improved performance against the FB to only DE and nothing else. We see more directly in the Megumi vs Reggie fight that DE is a significant boost but it didn't make Megumi no diff Reggie or anything.

It actually IS as big as an amp that I'm making it to be. I implore you to reread Megumi vs second finger bearer and how large of a difference there is. Megumi got knocked out COLD.
That Naobito nerf only comes afterwards. Naobito was perception blitzing dagon, then Dagon went a speed level higher and knocked his ass away. The Anime shows it more impressively. Much faster than before.
???? Just a bunch of yap that you can't even prove to be related to this. He did not get a emotional amp. He had a enlightenment and unlocked DE. This was DE amp. Take it or leave it.

Reggie is simply just that guy. Next argument.

This is fair, though it could be a case of Gojo offguarding him in some way before he can use DA, cause the injury really is quite similar

Uh no. This isn't supported at all. Gojo says as much in 228 that their only way of fighting is h2h DA. (For Sukuna that is) and we see that as much. Sukuna always uses DA whenever he interacts or fights with gojo with infinity on. Chapter 227. 228. 229.

This translation +

This translation supports it as much. And we even have feats for it. Not to mention, it would be very suspicious of Sukuna to turn it off whenever he's fighting Gojo as he would NOTICE. Which wouldn't be good for Sukuna's plan. Him for some reason turning it off whilst engaging in combat would be suspicious when gojo goes in for the hit. So he can only do this whenever THEY'RE not in combat, basically brief moments or the like. In chapter 229, before they begin their final domain expansion, we see Gojo and Sukuna in a "clash" of sorts, with his lunch being very close to his face which Sukuna is clearly holding. There is very much evidence and implications towards Sukuna using DA than him not using it. His face being torn apart like that comes after that particular panel. So no red.
Additionally. Compare this to chapter 226 red and the wound Sukuna took at 229 in the panel you showed, there is a clear difference of what is "scorch/burn marks" and a simple face being torn apart with the muscles of the face showing.

You're missing the point, which is that he didn't want to fight Sukuna when he had his domain, he doesn't talk about anything else. Miguel was surprised after Yuji did the Black Flash rush, which was after Miguel told Larue to flee. Miguel has no reason to fear Sukuna's regular attacks based on what we saw, considering Sukuna quite literally has no strength/speed feats against Miguel (Miguel dodges or blocks all of Sukuna's punches and slashes, he quite literally takes zero damage)

No. You're making UP points that isn't even supported by the narrative.
Everybody else there either thinks he's gonna regain his rct output. Maki knows this. Choso knows this. Yuji knows this. But they all also know what a BF does - you start getting into the zone and basically stronger. Output is being restored not just rct. It's also why Miguel says his momentum is on the rise because that's what a BF is about.

Nowhere IS it stated that he's afraid he'll regain his domain expansion. I have no idea as to how you think Miguel would supposedly know how to regain back your crippled domain from brain damage, which even nobody else knows when they know Sukuna is suffering brain damage. Sukuna only figured this out through multiple BF, which allowed him to figure one out and do it via binding vows + hand sign swapped.

Then Sukuna gets SURPRISED. Very shocked to see Sukuna pull off a DE. Is this the same guy you're saying that expected Sukuna to pull of a DE soon? Yeah your argument has little to no evidence and is just headcanon.

Funnily enough. Miguel doesn't only speak about no domain Sukuna, but a Sukuna that is also nerfed. They also observe his current state of injuries and note that: Heart missing, some limbs too, rct output garbage, etc. You're acting as if Miguel said he would fight 20F full health Sukuna with no domain this is the craziest Miguel glaze I've ever seen. Which needs to fall off.
Also. Sukuna's slashes and himself clearly got stronger. Sukuna and Miguel clearly exchange hands for one brief moment, Miguel goes back and spams his ability which not only buffs him but also debuffed Sukuna and yet he could do Jack shit. This Gojo rival ain't allat. He couldn't even continue pressuring Sukuna or to prevent him from punching Larue despite being supposedly gojo level in stats. I'm ngl you're just arguing atp for agenda.
Not sure if you can notice but Miguel is going relative to Sukuna in physicals but outperforms him after the buff and debuff, and if he was gojo level as you're making him to be then he'd simply ignore any of his attacks and punches and blitz and overpower him every single moment with no diff that's how weakened Sukuna IS.
Put adult gojo without blue or anything and he'd manhandle Sukuna without the latter being able to do any single scratch or overpower. He's just getting slapped up for free and blitzed every second.

Gojo with Infinity + Blue + Red + Purple + Unlimited Void + RCT>>>Gojo with just punch and kick. Idk if you do Naruto scaling but it's like how Ay is in the same tier as KCM Naruto/Jonin Minato in raw speed, but as overall fighters they hard cliff him thanks to their jutsu

Being gojo level would still make you a god tier which isn't even supported by the narrative. Again you're holding a very disingenuous premise.

But fine let's do a dissection of that statement.



I've previously went over this before and had some confusion [Before]
For starters, to explain my confusion. The narrator talks about Miguel's CT. How it improves his physical capabilities, by buffing himself. How he can debuff others too, their stats.
Gojo says it is pretty useful but not that scary.
Yuta asks him if it is dangerous to him.
Gojo goes off about him and Miguel in a 1vs1 fight no CT and only ce reinforcement and talks about who would win in skill.

This is where my confusion comes in - Yuta asked him if this was dangerous to him. But gojo responded with what to me looks like a whole different non related answer.
Gojo has his infinity. He can use domain expansion (something Miguel is afraid of), red to repell Miguel and blue to attract, etc. Even teleport. To me, Yuta's question is nonsense because Miguel can't bypass Gojo's infinity to threaten him with that CT to begin with, nor pose any danger to gojo at all who can unleash his DE.

But then gojo proceeds to exclude out Miguel's CT when that was the topic about whether it can pose danger to gojo or not, to talk about CE reinforcement contest in skill only.

There's a reasoning for these questions and confusion above that I presented.

Let's begin: Gojo's presenting a metric where Miguel would logically be a problem, which is H2H skill.
In the scenario where gojo is unable to use his CT, or his capacity to utilize CE for whatever reason is stifled, Miguel would be a threat. Because he’s a better offensive striker than gojo is, which is pretty bad for him. Because gojo utilizes defensive counter based styles into mostly relentless offense. If he’s fighting someone that does that BETTER than he does and he can’t just outstat or outhax Miguel, he's in trouble.

He’s referring to this in equivalent to his CT, because Miguel’s CT informs his fighting style.

So gojo's picking out the specific part of Miguel that would be a issue.

You might ask "Yeah but he says that without their CT in usage no?"
Yeah but Miguel’s Fighting style is influenced innately by the technique he was born with. So gojo's going to associate that as a part of Miguel.
The example of if whatever reason gojo is unable to out hax or completely outstat Miguel, gojo is in trouble.
Gojo is mentioning to Yuta a facet where Miguel would be dangerous for him. And that's literally just it.

You, for whatever reason assume this is a case where gojo is at full reinforcement. Even though all gojo is saying is that, Miguel is a better offensive striker and so if for whatever reason they were on a equal playing field, Gojo is screwed.
You for example might think that Gojo is saying Miguel as a whole is a issue. Which isn't true. Rather, he's mentioning a facet where Miguel is a threat, the part of Miguel that is dangerous under circumstances that stifled gojo in various aspects that I mentioned above.

If gojo meant that Miguel was 20F in stats which you are going with, he wouldn't refer to Miguel's skill specifically. He would just say "oh well Miguel has physicals on par with me". And the other context from manga is
“Miguel doesn’t want to box with a Flow state nerfed sukuna”
“Maybe he’s not on sukunas level“
Ik you might ask "How would you know he's referring to his skill specifically. He says physical contest with only CE reinforcement and says it comes down to their skill doesn't that mean their equal or relative"
The answer to that is: Because he mentions skill as the primary difference that makes Miguel a issue. If Miguel's physicals were a problem he'd just say “Well Miguel has equal stats to me”
Like bro, use context clues HERE.
Miguel can outskill sukuna whilst spamming his CT, but it does no damage. And he fears Sukuna once he gets into a flow state enough to run away even though it's a 4vs1.
What does that tell you?
He barely held off from a Vol 0 gojo and didn't land one hit on him, whilst getting hit with shit like wing chun beatdown and chased around. This was one eye concealed gojo too (it's stated that blindfold or the like dampen the power of six eyes) and a gojo very clearly holding back if it wasn't obvious.
What does that tell you?
Gojo thinks the issue is that Miguel is a more skilled striker than he is, but here Miguel is getting slapped around by Gojo.
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And he gets scared off by Sukuna the moment he goes into flow from one BF.

I'm sorry but Miguel is not a god tier physical stats guy on the level of Gojo. If he was he'd be bullying Sukuna with the nonstop blitzing and never allow him to perform one single DE with the sheer speed difference.

 

[Giannysmag]

? Nothing says that blue gojo > CT Miguel. Best you can go for is >=
Again, this is contradictory as hell.



Dude. You are blatantly ignoring the very large difference that no amount of "Yeah he is consistently more durable than he is powerful" is gonna work. I've already debunked how that makes no sense. You've got no evidence to make this assertion.
? Dude went REL with Sukuna there and had to surprise him, which Sukuna still reacted. This is not gojo level stats. You're just yapping to yap.
This nerfed Sukuna is several levels below himself inconsistent argument.



I'll take that as you not having a counter argument and that you're just yapping to yap. Thanks.



It actually IS as big as an amp that I'm making it to be. I implore you to reread Megumi vs second finger bearer and how large of a difference there is. Megumi got knocked out COLD.
That Naobito nerf only comes afterwards. Naobito was perception blitzing dagon, then Dagon went a speed level higher and knocked his ass away. The Anime shows it more impressively. Much faster than before.
???? Just a bunch of yap that you can't even prove to be related to this. He did not get a emotional amp. He had a enlightenment and unlocked DE. This was DE amp. Take it or leave it.

Reggie is simply just that guy. Next argument.



Uh no. This isn't supported at all. Gojo says as much in 228 that their only way of fighting is h2h DA. (For Sukuna that is) and we see that as much. Sukuna always uses DA whenever he interacts or fights with gojo with infinity on. Chapter 227. 228. 229.

This translation +

This translation supports it as much. And we even have feats for it. Not to mention, it would be very suspicious of Sukuna to turn it off whenever he's fighting Gojo as he would NOTICE. Which wouldn't be good for Sukuna's plan. Him for some reason turning it off whilst engaging in combat would be suspicious when gojo goes in for the hit. So he can only do this whenever THEY'RE not in combat, basically brief moments or the like. In chapter 229, before they begin their final domain expansion, we see Gojo and Sukuna in a "clash" of sorts, with his lunch being very close to his face which Sukuna is clearly holding. There is very much evidence and implications towards Sukuna using DA than him not using it. His face being torn apart like that comes after that particular panel. So no red.
Additionally. Compare this to chapter 226 red and the wound Sukuna took at 229 in the panel you showed, there is a clear difference of what is "scorch/burn marks" and a simple face being torn apart with the muscles of the face showing.





No. You're making UP points that isn't even supported by the narrative.
Everybody else there either thinks he's gonna regain his rct output. Maki knows this. Choso knows this. Yuji knows this. But they all also know what a BF does - you start getting into the zone and basically stronger. Output is being restored not just rct. It's also why Miguel says his momentum is on the rise because that's what a BF is about.

Nowhere IS it stated that he's afraid he'll regain his domain expansion. I have no idea as to how you think Miguel would supposedly know how to regain back your crippled domain from brain damage, which even nobody else knows when they know Sukuna is suffering brain damage. Sukuna only figured this out through multiple BF, which allowed him to figure one out and do it via binding vows + hand sign swapped.

Then Sukuna gets SURPRISED. Very shocked to see Sukuna pull off a DE. Is this the same guy you're saying that expected Sukuna to pull of a DE soon? Yeah your argument has little to no evidence and is just headcanon.

Funnily enough. Miguel doesn't only speak about no domain Sukuna, but a Sukuna that is also nerfed. They also observe his current state of injuries and note that: Heart missing, some limbs too, rct output garbage, etc. You're acting as if Miguel said he would fight 20F full health Sukuna with no domain this is the craziest Miguel glaze I've ever seen. Which needs to fall off.
Also. Sukuna's slashes and himself clearly got stronger. Sukuna and Miguel clearly exchange hands for one brief moment, Miguel goes back and spams his ability which not only buffs him but also debuffed Sukuna and yet he could do Jack shit. This Gojo rival ain't allat. He couldn't even continue pressuring Sukuna or to prevent him from punching Larue despite being supposedly gojo level in stats. I'm ngl you're just arguing atp for agenda.
Not sure if you can notice but Miguel is going relative to Sukuna in physicals but outperforms him after the buff and debuff, and if he was gojo level as you're making him to be then he'd simply ignore any of his attacks and punches and blitz and overpower him every single moment with no diff that's how weakened Sukuna IS.
Put adult gojo without blue or anything and he'd manhandle Sukuna without the latter being able to do any single scratch or overpower. He's just getting slapped up for free and blitzed every second.





Being gojo level would still make you a god tier which isn't even supported by the narrative. Again you're holding a very disingenuous premise.

But fine let's do a dissection of that statement.



I've previously went over this before and had some confusion [Before]
For starters, to explain my confusion. The narrator talks about Miguel's CT. How it improves his physical capabilities, by buffing himself. How he can debuff others too, their stats.
Gojo says it is pretty useful but not that scary.
Yuta asks him if it is dangerous to him.
Gojo goes off about him and Miguel in a 1vs1 fight no CT and only ce reinforcement and talks about who would win in skill.

This is where my confusion comes in - Yuta asked him if this was dangerous to him. But gojo responded with what to me looks like a whole different non related answer.
Gojo has his infinity. He can use domain expansion (something Miguel is afraid of), red to repell Miguel and blue to attract, etc. Even teleport. To me, Yuta's question is nonsense because Miguel can't bypass Gojo's infinity to threaten him with that CT to begin with, nor pose any danger to gojo at all who can unleash his DE.

But then gojo proceeds to exclude out Miguel's CT when that was the topic about whether it can pose danger to gojo or not, to talk about CE reinforcement contest in skill only.

There's a reasoning for these questions and confusion above that I presented.

Let's begin: Gojo's presenting a metric where Miguel would logically be a problem, which is H2H skill.
In the scenario where gojo is unable to use his CT, or his capacity to utilize CE for whatever reason is stifled, Miguel would be a threat. Because he’s a better offensive striker than gojo is, which is pretty bad for him. Because gojo utilizes defensive counter based styles into mostly relentless offense. If he’s fighting someone that does that BETTER than he does and he can’t just outstat or outhax Miguel, he's in trouble.

He’s referring to this in equivalent to his CT, because Miguel’s CT informs his fighting style.

So gojo's picking out the specific part of Miguel that would be a issue.

You might ask "Yeah but he says that without their CT in usage no?"
Yeah but Miguel’s Fighting style is influenced innately by the technique he was born with. So gojo's going to associate that as a part of Miguel.
The example of if whatever reason gojo is unable to out hax or completely outstat Miguel, gojo is in trouble.
Gojo is mentioning to Yuta a facet where Miguel would be dangerous for him. And that's literally just it.

You, for whatever reason assume this is a case where gojo is at full reinforcement. Even though all gojo is saying is that, Miguel is a better offensive striker and so if for whatever reason they were on a equal playing field, Gojo is screwed.
You for example might think that Gojo is saying Miguel as a whole is a issue. Which isn't true. Rather, he's mentioning a facet where Miguel is a threat, the part of Miguel that is dangerous under circumstances that stifled gojo in various aspects that I mentioned above.

If gojo meant that Miguel was 20F in stats which you are going with, he wouldn't refer to Miguel's skill specifically. He would just say "oh well Miguel has physicals on par with me". And the other context from manga is
“Miguel doesn’t want to box with a Flow state nerfed sukuna”
“Maybe he’s not on sukunas level“
Ik you might ask "How would you know he's referring to his skill specifically. He says physical contest with only CE reinforcement and says it comes down to their skill doesn't that mean their equal or relative"
The answer to that is: Because he mentions skill as the primary difference that makes Miguel a issue. If Miguel's physicals were a problem he'd just say “Well Miguel has equal stats to me”
Like bro, use context clues HERE.
Miguel can outskill sukuna whilst spamming his CT, but it does no damage. And he fears Sukuna once he gets into a flow state enough to run away even though it's a 4vs1.
What does that tell you?
He barely held off from a Vol 0 gojo and didn't land one hit on him, whilst getting hit with shit like wing chun beatdown and chased around. This was one eye concealed gojo too (it's stated that blindfold or the like dampen the power of six eyes) and a gojo very clearly holding back if it wasn't obvious.
What does that tell you?
Gojo thinks the issue is that Miguel is a more skilled striker than he is, but here Miguel is getting slapped around by Gojo.
1:47

And he gets scared off by Sukuna the moment he goes into flow from one BF.

I'm sorry but Miguel is not a god tier physical stats guy on the level of Gojo. If he was he'd be bullying Sukuna with the nonstop blitzing and never allow him to perform one single DE with the sheer speed difference.

How is it even possible for one person to yap this much

 

[Giannysmag]

Anyway I came here to say that Awakened teen Gojo slams Shinjuku Yuta

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

How is it even possible for one person to yap this much

Saikyo

Anyway I came here to say that Awakened teen Gojo slams Shinjuku Yuta

This is true. He statue blitzes him even

 

[Arkenis]

Anyway I came here to say that Awakened teen Gojo slams Shinjuku Yuta

Me when Gojo is hypersonic while Yuta is only supersonic.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yeah Miguel ain't Gojo level. Sukuna had brain damage, was missing his arms, took several of Yuji's soul punches and the full brunt of Jacob's Ladder then had his heart stabbed through by the Split Soul Katana. Miguel was buffing himself, nerfing Sukuna and punched Sukuna directly in his chest wound, that should've been a one-shot or at least a critical hit right there if Miguel = Gojo but Sukuna ate it. Make Choso's Piercing Blood or Kusakabe equal to Gojo's punches at that point.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Me when Gojo is hypersonic while Yuta is only supersonic.

Man Teen Gojo is the most wanked character in this verse, people really believe he blitzed Toji and that never happened and it was with Blue