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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

I also want to know, how low are we talking about? I keep seeing arguments like 'low output,' but his CT still deals more damage than his physical hits or Black Flash can. So, can I know how this affects his scaling?
It's not that it isn't good/useful, it's just that the fact that it is low output is notable enough. It does marginally more damage than his physical hits but that's the thing, it's not that high and that's the point. As for how it actually effects scaling, not much since his profile is going to be based on that "low output" version.
 
It's not that it isn't good/useful, it's just that the fact that it is low output is notable enough. It does marginally more damage than his physical hits but that's the thing, it's not that high and that's the point. As for how it actually effects scaling, not much since his profile is going to be based on that "low output" version.
I understand the low output statement by Sukuna, but I still don't fully grasp how it applies in matches.

The issue is that it was about to cut off Sukuna's leg, while Yuji's Black Flashes weren't able to deal nearly as much damage to Sukuna.

Even if we classify it as low output, there should still be a limit, right?

Yuji's Cleave had enough output to sever Sukuna's leg if he hadn't pushed Yuji back with his Dismantle strikes. Sukuna still received a deep cut and was left bleeding.

Shouldn't his Cleave have enough output to cut opponents who are physically equal to him?

What I want to know is even if we say low output what's the limit we are going to set it for.
 
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I understand the low output statement by Sukuna, but I still don't fully grasp how it applies in matches.

The issue is that it was about to cut off Sukuna's leg, while Yuji's Black Flashes weren't able to deal nearly as much damage to Sukuna.

Even if we classify it as low output, there should still be a limit, right?

Yuji's Cleave had enough output to sever Sukuna's leg if he hadn't pushed Yuji back with his Dismantle strikes. Sukuna still received a deep cut and was left bleeding.

Shouldn't his Cleave have enough output to cut opponents who are physically equal to him?

What I want to know is even if we say low output how what's the limit we are going to set it for.
It doesn't. The key is going to be based on the version of him that was in Shinjuku so it wouldn't effect anything since it'll be that low output version.

It'll be the same as everything else. We use feats and decide how strong it is based on that.
 
Sukuna just has a big hate boner for Yuji and was shit talking him every opportunity he got. I think it's pretty evident that in terms of stats Yuji was comparable to the heavy hitters even pre awakening
CG Yuji was already comparable to Maki.
Shinjuku Yuji had better CE reinforcements and Sukuna's potential growth.
Pre-Awakened Yuji is obviously atleast comparable if not outright superior to her.
 
Sukuna just has a big hate boner for Yuji and was shit talking him every opportunity he got. I think it's pretty evident that in terms of stats Yuji was comparable to the heavy hitters even pre awakening
There’s a panel where he’s so mad at Yuji that he does this face “😑” and insta diffs Yuji to play with Higuruma 😭😭
 

Ngl she ain't cooking with this take, if you actually paid any attention to JJK0 you can tell that Geto's hatred of non-Sorcerers is extremely racism-coded. He literally sprays deodorant over himself every time he comes in contact with one because he's convinced they have a "smell" that he finds disgusting. He refers to his own ideal as a desire for a "chosen people", which has strong nationalist vibes to it. Trying to make him some kinda liberationist revolutionary totally ignores everything about his character besides the stuff in Hidden Inventory.

Also, if non-sorcerers abusing and marginalizing sorcerers is such a widespread systemic issues in the JJK world, then we maybe should've seen it happen aside from one superstitious backwards village and the US military attacking some sorcerers and instantly getting owned. The focus is instead solely placed on the higher-ups and the Three Clans, the later of which Geto seems to have little issue with.
 
CG Yuji was already comparable to Maki.
Shinjuku Yuji had better CE reinforcements and Sukuna's potential growth.
Pre-Awakened Yuji is obviously atleast comparable if not outright superior to her.
I was mainly talking about him being comparable to domain amped Yuta but yea he was also around Maki's level of speed pre timeskip
 
Dude you clearly don’t what know what tf a blitz is
bro, then why was gojo literally statued while sukuna was moving onto his back?.., literally, he only perceives what happened when sukuna grabs his legs and stops his sure hit, but he doesnt perceive his movement, that sounds exactly like a blitz..
 
bro, then why was gojo literally statued while sukuna was moving onto his back?.., literally, he only perceives what happened when sukuna grabs his legs and stops his sure hit, but he doesnt perceive his movement, that sounds exactly like a blitz..
Not a blitz.
 
I was mainly talking about him being comparable to domain amped Yuta but yea he was also around Maki's level of speed pre timeskip
Well Yuji has feats physically comparable to Maki when they fought Meguna. Meguna CE output was controlled by Megumi not Sukuna. Idk why you mentioned speed. He took attacks from same Meguna and damaged same nerfed Meguna by Megumi.
 
bro, then why was gojo literally statued while sukuna was moving onto his back?.., literally, he only perceives what happened when sukuna grabs his legs and stops his sure hit, but he doesnt perceive his movement, that sounds exactly like a blitz..
He was literally just surpised that Sukuna's sure hit was turned off, that's why he didn't react, not because Sukuna perception blitzed him. Also if Sukuna is perception blitz levels faster than Gojo, why didn't he use that level of speed... idk, literally at any other point in the fight?

Even when only Sukuna is domain amped and Gojo is getting barraged with slashes from MS he can still keep up with Sukuna somewhat but only now that they are both domain amped and he isn't being hit is he unable to react to the guy
 
Well Yuji has feats physically comparable to Maki when they fought Meguna. Meguna CE output was controlled by Megumi not Sukuna.
Yea but Sukuna outright says that Maki is the biggest threat, they are comparable but Maki was stronger
Idk why you mentioned speed
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Ngl she ain't cooking with this take, if you actually paid any attention to JJK0 you can tell that Geto's hatred of non-Sorcerers is extremely racism-coded. He literally sprays deodorant over himself every time he comes in contact with one because he's convinced they have a "smell" that he finds disgusting. He refers to his own ideal as a desire for a "chosen people", which has strong nationalist vibes to it. Trying to make him some kinda liberationist revolutionary totally ignores everything about his character besides the stuff in Hidden Inventory.

Also, if non-sorcerers abusing and marginalizing sorcerers is such a widespread systemic issues in the JJK world, then we maybe should've seen it happen aside from one superstitious backwards village and the US military attacking some sorcerers and instantly getting owned. The focus is instead solely placed on the higher-ups and the Three Clans, the later of which Geto seems to have little issue with.
Granted, a lot of this stuff can chalked up to JJK0 originally not even being intended to be anything more than a little one-shot project for Gege to get a foothold in the industry. Then it became turbo popular and he was told to turn it into an entire weekly series.

You can really tell from just reading 0 that it was never meant to be part of a greater universe, and Geto himself was definitely retroactively given way more depth than he was initially written with.

Even then though, 0 still happened s surprisingly little in it has actually been retconned, and the problem still stands that Geto even in later arcs lays the blame on sorcerers' suffering on the non-sorcerers who don't even know they exist, and none of the people who knowingly and materially cause it.

Like, if Gege was going for some kind of class metaphor here where sorcerers labor for non-sorcerers who benefit from their exploitation, he completely fumbled it by having Jujutsu Society itself actively hide from regular people. Once again, it's the leaders of Jujutsu Society that are to blame for the ingratitude of the normal people, because how the **** can you be grateful for protection against something whose existence is being hidden by the very people who are protecting you?
 
Trying to justify Geto's racism while locking your tweet and having a Doffy profile pic is crazy work.
I mean, JJK 0 if taken in a vacuum was pretty clearly doing a racism allegory thing, but the later arcs try to completely reinvent what Geto was about without actually removing his original portrayal. Tbh, it's very understandable that he's such a polarizing character because he way as well be two separate characters.
 
Yea but Sukuna outright says that Maki is the biggest threat, they are comparable but Maki was stronger
Because you know despite shit talking he didn't had control over his CE output. There is no reason to believe Megumi let Sukuna use more CE output agaisnt Maki while less against Yuji.

Also Sukuna has no way of knowing how strong Maki was and speculation based on tanking Nue attack. I bet even if Yuji did the same he would have said he was not impressed. You know how much he hates him.
I know this bruh. I was asking why you only mentioned speed.
 
I mean, JJK 0 if taken in a vacuum was pretty clearly doing a racism allegory thing, but the later arcs try to completely reinvent what Geto was about without actually removing his original portrayal. Tbh, it's very understandable that he's such a polarizing character because he way as well be two separate characters.
Even when taking just HI into account Geto calls non sorcerers monkeys and is clearly still supposed to be a bigot
 
I mean, "monkey" in this case is actually closer to an ableist slur than a racist one. It's about the fact that sorcerers are so far above ordinary people in terms of their power and capabilities, rather than being based solely on bloodline or status of birth.

But that's actually part of the problem, though - allegories where the marginalized group has superpowers that make them exponentially above normal humans are inherently flawed because either there's no reason why the marginalized class is oppressed, or worse still their oppression is rationally justifiable given the risk they pose.
 
Because you know despite shit talking he didn't had control over his CE output. There is no reason to believe Megumi let Sukuna use more CE output agaisnt Maki while less against Yuji.
I never agrued that this would be the case
Also Sukuna has no way of knowing how strong Maki was and speculation based on tanking Nue attack. I bet even if Yuji did the same he would have said he was not impressed. You know how much he hates him.
It's not just from Nue's lightning, even through and after the scaffle he clearly thinks that Maki is the stronger one
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I know this bruh. I was asking why you only mentioned speed.
Cause I gotta maintain the Maki agenda
 
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what? bro, gojos punch was literally statued while sukuna was moving to his back, how isnt that a blitz?
That's not at all what is happening. Gojo had already thrown a punch and hit Sukuna. Sukuna then turns off his sure hit which catches Gojo by surprise and he moves away
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There is no blitzing or statueing going on here
 
He was literally just surpised that Sukuna's sure hit was turned off, that's why he didn't react, not because Sukuna perception blitzed him. Also if Sukuna is perception blitz levels faster than Gojo, why didn't he use that level of speed... idk, literally at any other point in the fight?

Even when only Sukuna is domain amped and Gojo is getting barraged with slashes from MS he can still keep up with Sukuna somewhat but only now that they are both domain amped and he isn't being hit is he unable to react to the guy
That surprise literally happens after the movement.. He only gets what happened when sukuna already was in his back.. And why didnt sukuna used that speed after? PLOT, or because he was interested in the adaptation, just like in chap 234, why didnt sukuna killed gojo right here spamming the same WCS via maho? PLOT conveniences
 
That's not at all what is happening. Gojo had already thrown a punch and hit Sukuna. Sukuna then turns off his sure hit which catches Gojo by surprise and he moves away
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There is no blitzing or statueing going on here
You can literally see gojo throwing another punching in that smaller panel at left corner, that punch was literally statued while sukuna was moving....
 
I never agrued that this would be the case

It's not just from Nue's lightning, even through and after the scaffle he clearly thinks that Maki is the stronger one
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Its highly likely Sukuna wanted to fight her later onwards to prove Jujutsu > HR. Read his lines "that brat served his purpose i don't care". Maki purpose was never served. He has less output and less control over Megumi so he couldn't prove Jujutsu> HR. Like he did in Shinjuku Showdown.
He never once mentioned anything about strength here.
 
Jujutsu High campus is nowhere near 28 km^2. Oxford University has 43 whole colleges, accomadates 30 thousand students with 239 buildings and only covers 5.37 km^2. Including the forest makes little sense because Yuta would have to be at the edge of the forest when he feels the earthquake to apply the magnitude at distance formula in that way but he's not even half a km away from the fight
 
That surprise literally happens after the movement.. He only gets what happened when sukuna already was in his back
Even when Sukuna is moving Gojo has the surpised look on his face that implies he's already noticed
And why didnt sukuna used that speed after? PLOT, or because he was interested in the adaptation, just like in chap 234
Oooooor Sukuna just isn't perception blitz level faster than Gojo, which is supported by all the times Gojo was shown to be as fast or faster than Sukuna, and you are just interpretting the scene wrong
why didnt sukuna killed gojo right here spamming the same WCS via maho? PLOT conveniences
NO actually, it was because after that point Gojo was constantly going on the offensive with Black Flash and Purple leaving Maho no time to use WSC
You can literally see gojo throwing another punching in that smaller panel at left corner, that punch was literally statued while sukuna was moving....
I don't think the little blur at the bottom of the panel is supposed to be a punch, it would also be really weird if it was since Gojo would be throwing a punch with the same arm twice in a row
Its highly likely Sukuna wanted to fight her later onwards to prove Jujutsu > HR. Read his lines "that brat served his purpose i don't care". Maki purpose was never served. He has less output and less control over Megumi so he couldn't prove Jujutsu> HR. Like he did in Shinjuku Showdown.
Sukuna hadn't thought of the whole Jujutsu vs physical ability thing by that point. That is something that first crossed his mind in Shinjuku
He never once mentioned anything about strength here.
"But focusing your cursed energy on the woman was the correct choice" he is saying that Maki would be more easily capable of breaking out of the ice than Yuji would
 
Even when Sukuna is moving Gojo has the surpised look on his face that implies he's already noticed
No, gojo just has big eyes lol, if you look 2 pages up he had literally the same facial expression, he wasnt surprised...
Even when Sukuna is moving Gojo has the surpised look on his face that implies he's already noticed

Oooooor Sukuna just isn't perception blitz level faster than Gojo, which is supported by all the times Gojo was shown to be as fast or faster than Sukuna, and you are just interpretting the scene wrong

NO actually, it was because after that point Gojo was constantly going on the offensive with Black Flash and Purple leaving Maho no time to use WSC
Gojo taked 42 sec to charge purple but maho wouldnt have time to use wsc, huh, also, if wasnt for plot, maho wouldve had aimed in the head, not the arms..
I don't think the little blur at the bottom of the panel is supposed to be a punch, it would also be really weird if it was since Gojo would be throwing a punch with the same arm twice in a row
Then its his dick? Its obviously a punch, one panel before that we can see sukunas punches being blurred, exactly like that..
 
Gojo taked 42 sec to charge purple but maho wouldnt have time to use wsc, huh, also, if wasnt for plot, maho wouldve had aimed in the head, not the arms..
He spent those 42 seconds fighting. After the WSC launched, he got punched by Agito, killed Agito (at which point Maho was trying to protect Sukuna), decked Maho with BF, threw Sukuna at Maho, BFd Maho and Sukuna, launched Red, Maho went after Red, Maho got decked again, Purple gets activated and Maho is killed. There was no point there where Maho would have just been free to launch WSC, which is why he didn't not because of PIS.

Also you are again ignoring the fact that there are countless points in the fight where Gojo was as fast or faster than Sukuna, which I can list if you'd want. It'd be increadibly disingenuous to claim that all those moments are because of plot and not him actually being that fast just because of this one scene. Infact it would be the exact opposite, if this was really a blitz it would be completely inconsistent with every other showing in the fight and thus it would be the outlier
Then its his dick? Its obviously a punch, one panel before that we can see sukunas punches being blurred, exactly like that..
I kinda see it now but like... that still wouldn't be a blitz. In the panel afterward there's no speedlines on Gojo's arm meaning he had already stopped the punch when Sukuna was moving. It's just a regulaer dodge from Sukuna and they were dodging eachothers punches all the time at that point
 
Ngl she ain't cooking with this take, if you actually paid any attention to JJK0 you can tell that Geto's hatred of non-Sorcerers is extremely racism-coded. He literally sprays deodorant over himself every time he comes in contact with one because he's convinced they have a "smell" that he finds disgusting. He refers to his own ideal as a desire for a "chosen people", which has strong nationalist vibes to it. Trying to make him some kinda liberationist revolutionary totally ignores everything about his character besides the stuff in Hidden Inventory.

Also, if non-sorcerers abusing and marginalizing sorcerers is such a widespread systemic issues in the JJK world, then we maybe should've seen it happen aside from one superstitious backwards village and the US military attacking some sorcerers and instantly getting owned. The focus is instead solely placed on the higher-ups and the Three Clans, the later of which Geto seems to have little issue with.
Geto fans trying to make him out to be some valiant revolutionnary and not a mentally ill guy relishing in committing genocide after reaching a breaking point is so funny to me, I genuinely think some of these people would start making excuses for Hitler if they found out about his sad backstory 😭

Geto straight up called Maki a failure of the Zenin Clan and a monkey but some Geto fans the other day were talking about how Geto was a feminist allegory 💀💀
 
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