Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Nierre]

cm3?

curse mark 3

 

[MinatoSparkle]

100x multiplier

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yuta saying it is accurate

 

[Arkenis]

Thread '2025 Gojo CRT'

Jan 9, 2025

Pretty simple, Yuki's got resistance to cm for her being imbued with VM, Purple IS VM, therefore Purple should have resistance to CM3.

^ This is the main part of the crt. Everything after this is just me and Gege doing math.

JJK - Gojo's Purple

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[Giannysmag]

Gojo and Yuji honestly have such a great dynamic and I really wish we got a few more scenes with them post-prison realm. Gojo has always been isolated from everyone because of his strength, even with Geto his sudden growth post-Awakening where part of the reason for Geto's depression. But Yuji doesn't see Gojo as "the strongest", at least that's not the most important thing about him, to Yuji Gojo is his teacher and the person that saved his life. That's what matters to him cause that's the type of person Yuji is.

When Gojo pulled up right before the Sukuna fight everyone was tensed up over what to tell him and the heavy hitters where ******** bricks just by sensing his presence. But Yuji didn't care, he walked right up to him, told him "sensei turn off your infinity so I can pat you" and the air in the room instantly shifts.

In return Yuji seems to be the one person Gojo can drop his guard around, both literally (as shown above) but also metaphorically. Everytime Gojo speaks of fighting Sukuna he is completely confident he will win. He says so to Yuta, to Sukuna, to Kenny and even to himself. Gojo is going to win because he is the strongest... except when he is around Yuji. The one time where Gojo doesn't seem assured of his victory is with the one person that doesn't view him as just "the strongest".

 

[Giannysmag]

Side note but rereading chap 221 and what the hell is up with Momo's face here lmao

Peter Griffin looking ass

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Choso: Am I not a joke to you?

 

[Arkenis]

Side not but rereading chap 221 and what the hell is up with Momo's face here lmao

Peter Griffin looking ass

Its her outfit. Her mouth is closed, that line is her collar and face meeting and then a button below.

 

[Giannysmag]

Choso: Am I not a joke to you?

Choso's face is literally two circles and a line lol, he looks so pissed

Its her outfit. Her mouth is closed, that line is her collar face meeting and then a button below.

Holy shit I see it, not even joking I didn't realise that at all

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gojo and Yuji honestly have such a great dynamic and I really wish we got a few more scenes with them post-prison realm. Gojo has always been isolated from everyone because of his strength, even with Geto his sudden growth post-Awakening where part of the reason for Geto's depression. But Yuji doesn't see Gojo as "the strongest", at least that's not the most important thing about him, to Yuji Gojo is his teacher and the person that saved his life. That's what matters to him cause that's the type of person Yuji is.

When Gojo pulled up right before the Sukuna fight everyone was tensed up over what to tell him and the heavy hitters where ******** bricks just by sensing his presence. But Yuji didn't care, he walked right up to him, told him "sensei turn off your infinity so I can pat you" and the air in the room instantly shifts.

In return Yuji seems to be the one person Gojo can drop his guard around, both literally (as shown above) but also metaphorically. Everytime Gojo speaks of fighting Sukuna he is completely confident he will win. He says so to Yuta, to Sukuna, to Kenny and even to himself. Gojo is going to win because he is the strongest... except when he is around Yuji. The one time where Gojo doesn't seem assured of his victory is with the one person that doesn't view him as just "the strongest".

Your slow I already know this

 

[Giannysmag]

Chat is this real?

Spoiler: Possible leak idk

 

[Rosa]

Who was it that said in another thread that Hakari's profile should have him considered faster than Yuta? Trying to think of arguments for Hakari's inverse stat scaling and none of his statements are very quantifiable imo.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Chat is this real?

Spoiler: Possible leak idk

I bet that Maki glazer account is Arkenis Alt.

 

[Giannysmag]

Who was it that said in another thread that Hakari's profile should have him considered faster than Yuta? Trying to think of arguments for Hakari's inverse stat scaling and none of his statements are very quantifiable imo.

Elde said that and yea Hakari has basically no inverse scaling lmao

I bet that Maki glazer account is Arkenis Alt.

Nah it's Rosa. Speed+katana is literally their argument

 

[Rosa]

Elde said that and yea Hakari has basically no inverse scaling lmao

The only ways I've thought of are:

• Assuming due to Hakari and Yuta being compared a lot that stat wise they're comparable. This is flawed as Hakari could be overall comparable someone via hax without necessarily being equal to them in stats, and also it's vague (is base Hakari ~ base Yuta, and thus JP Hakari > Yuta, or JP Hakari ~ Yuta?)
• Hakari being a solely brawler fighter and yet being considered a heavy hitter tier whilst Yuji isn't (despite Yuji also being a brawler) implies Hakari's stats just far exceed Yuji's and by extension the rest of the heavy hitters. This is flawed given Hakari, whilst a brawler fighter, does rely on his hax (JP) in combat.
• Hakari visually is just portrayed to be a stat god. Every fight he's in he's blasting through the environment with strikes and perception blitzing his opponent in ways which we rarely see in JJK (Hakari pbing Charles despite precog, Hakari overwhelming Kashimo with speed numerous times and punching him through metal crates, Hakari slamming Uraume through entire city blocks with his kicks). This doesn't convince me, from the shonen I read destruction rarely is used as a consistent metric to determine power and I have no reason to assume Gege is any different.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Elde said that and yea Hakari has basically no inverse scaling lmao

He does have statements that at least put him on par with Yuta, even if you don't agree with him being faster in Jackpot. But whatever, bro. I'm not really interested in arguing that much here on the wiki, knowing the hate he gets.

 

[Rosa]

He does have statements that at least put him on par with Yuta, even if you don't agree with him being faster in Jackpot. But whatever, bro. I'm not really interested in arguing that much here on the wiki, knowing the hate he gets.

None of his statements are about stats though, just overall ability.

 

[Giannysmag]

None of his statements are about stats though, just overall ability.

This. Hakari's defining trait isn't his stats but the fact that Jackpot makes him effectively immortal. That was the main factor in the Kashimo fight and the one thing Uraume notes as being impressive about him in their fight

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The only ways I've thought of are:

• Assuming due to Hakari and Yuta being compared a lot that stat wise they're comparable. This is flawed as Hakari could be overall comparable someone via hax without necessarily being equal to them in stats, and also it's vague (is base Hakari ~ base Yuta, and thus JP Hakari > Yuta, or JP Hakari ~ Yuta?)

Spoiler

I don't know about the current speed scaling arguments after the 1 month time skip, but you can clearly see a not fully healed Yuji in Shibuya keeping up with Yuta, with Yuta himself admitting that Yuji is very fast, etc. Though I agree that Yuta was holding back to some extent.

Then, when a fully prepared Yuji (likely in better condition than in Shibuya due to Yuta healing him with RCT) meets Hakari and clashes with him, we don't see much trouble in Base Hakari keeping up with Yuji. He even manages to tag Yuji with his kicks. Jackpot Hakari obviously scales above his base self and gets a significant speed boost, as seen in his fights against Kashimo and Charles.

Pre time skip JP Hakari > Base Hakari ~ Yuji ~ Pre time skip Yuta

• Hakari being a solely brawler fighter and yet being considered a heavy hitter tier whilst Yuji isn't (despite Yuji also being a brawler) implies Hakari's stats just far exceed Yuji's and by extension the rest of the heavy hitters. This is flawed given Hakari, whilst a brawler fighter, does rely on his hax (JP) in combat.

• Hakari visually is just portrayed to be a stat god. Every fight he's in he's blasting through the environment with strikes and perception blitzing his opponent in ways which we rarely see in JJK (Hakari pbing Charles despite precog, Hakari overwhelming Kashimo with speed numerous times and punching him through metal crates, Hakari slamming Uraume through entire city blocks with his kicks). This doesn't convince me, from the shonen I read destruction rarely is used as a consistent metric to determine power and I have no reason to assume Gege is any different.

Spoiler

He can be killed before entering the Jackpot, or his hands can be destroyed to prevent him from entering the Jackpot, like Kashimo did. If Kashimo can pull it off, I don't see why Kenjaku can't, especially with his army of Curses. If it's all about Hakari's immortality, Kenjaku has no reason to consider him a heavy hitter. Kenjaku can just blitz and kill him—didn't he already smoke Choso in a similar manner? Even that explosion guy.

Hakari's base speed and Jackpot speed vary significantly. What I'm saying is that Base Hakari needs to have enough speed to evade attacks from other strong characters and survive to even be considered a heavy hitter. He doesn't have stats comparable to even base Kashimo, nor does he have RCT to survive.

Yuta is already on par with CT Kashimo in the Shinjuku showdown in terms of stats. Yuji also has enough speed to keep up with domain amped Yuta. Still, Hakari is considered a heavy hitter, even though there are characters like Higuruma, whom Kenjaku showed interest in. Higuruma's hax would arguably be more lethal than Hakari's immortality, yet Kenjaku never considered him a heavy hitter.

There's also the Uraume fight, which I could make some arguments about, but whatever.

This is how I see it.

JP Hakari speed > Base Hakari ~ Kenjaku ~ Yuta

If someone were to say, "If Hakari is so fast, why can't he just go and beat Kenjaku?"—just because Hakari is faster in Jackpot doesn't mean he would win against Kenjaku. Speed isn't the only thing that matters in a fight. Either way, I'm done.

If you still disagree, that's fine. I'll agree to disagree. I don't find arguing here further to be worth my time anyway. Have a great day

None of his statements are about stats though, just overall ability.

Well my above explanation already covers this

Let's end this here. I got some other important stuff to look into other than just arguing for Hakari.

 

[Rosa]

"Though I agree that Yuta was holding back"

This just removes any room to argue Yuta is thereby capped at pre-CG Yuji's level.

we don't see much trouble in Base Hakari keeping up with Yuji. He even manages to tag Yuji with his kicks.

Yuji was not only refusing to fight back but also refusing to even guard himself / dodge, he wanted Hakari to lay into him to prove his resolve, so idk how you're deriving speed scaling from this.

He can be killed before entering the Jackpot, or his hands can be destroyed to prevent him from entering the Jackpot, like Kashimo did. If Kashimo can pull it off, I don't see why Kenjaku can't, especially with his army of Curses. If it's all about Hakari's immortality, Kenjaku has no reason to consider him a heavy hitter. Kenjaku can just blitz and kill him—didn't he already smoke Choso in a similar manner? Even that explosion guy.

Kenjaku isn't saying "I can't defeat Hakari" by considering him a heavy hitter so there's nothing contradicting Kenjaku killing Hakari before or in between jackpots, the purpose of Hakari being a heavy hitter is to just say that he qualifies for a tier of strength unique from the rest of the group - which doesn't require exceptional speed given his DE is one of the fastest inverse (and thus impossible to guard against) and he can become immortal (withstand any attack that hits him, no need to react to it).

Yuta is already on par with CT Kashimo in the Shinjuku showdown in terms of stats.

We don't know if this is true.

Higuruma's hax would arguably be more lethal than Hakari's immortality, yet Kenjaku never considered him a heavy hitter.

Kenjaku could be confident in getting out of Higuruma's trial without penalty, Higuruma can't control what crime is charged on nor would he have the complete evidence regarding the case which allows the other person to effectively debate their way out of it, plus Kenjaku has several CTs which would negate confiscation easily. Higuruma is a bad matchup for Kenjaku.

There's also the Uraume fight, which I could make some arguments about, but whatever.

Uraume, like Kashimo, is featless though. Their only scaling is to Hakari who's stats are already in contention due to the ambiguity of his statements.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This just removes any room to argue Yuta is thereby capped at pre-CG Yuji's level.

I find it funny how JJK supporters here use arguments like Yuta saying Yuji is fast as a way to cap JJK's speed, while also arguing that Yuta was faster than Yuji.

Yeah, I’m not really buying these double standards.

What I’m saying is that even if he was holding back, nothing suggests he was significantly faster than that version of Yuji. Either way, it was later stated that Yuji was also holding back, so there’s room for debate.

Yuji was not only refusing to fight back but also refusing to even guard himself / dodge, he wanted Hakari to lay into him to prove his resolve, so idk how you're deriving speed scaling from this.

This isn't true. Yuji stopped fighting back after they got out of the room. He was trying when he was inside the room. He himself admitted it. Check the bottom left second panel.

Kenjaku isn't saying "I can't defeat Hakari" by considering him a heavy hitter so there's nothing contradicting Kenjaku killing Hakari before or in between jackpots, the purpose of Hakari being a heavy hitter is to just say that he qualifies for a tier of strength unique from the rest of the group - which doesn't require exceptional speed given his DE is one of the fastest inverse (and thus impossible to guard against) and he can become immortal (withstand any attack that hits him, no need to react to it).

His Domain being faster doesn’t mean he gets an instant jackpot it’s just a possibility. We saw how many rounds he needed with both Charles and Kashimo. His chances increase the more Domains he activates, but initially, he doesn’t get an instant jackpot.

Even during the Shinjuku showdown, until the full Kashimo vs. Sukuna fight happened, he didn’t hit a jackpot.

Open Domain, cough cough. So, I’m not going to bother with Domain battle arguments.

There’s also an argument for Hakari possibly shrinking his Domain, as both Higuruma and Hakari are stated to freely alter coordinates. However, Gojo was the first one to do that kind of thing, and everyone was surprised. So Kenjaku likely wouldn’t consider that method as part of Hakari’s win conditions against his Open Domain.

We don't know if this is true.

Well we do have feats which indicates that.

Kenjaku could be confident in getting out of Higuruma's trial without penalty, Higuruma can't control what crime is charged on nor would he have the complete evidence regarding the case which allows the other person to effectively debate their way out of it, plus Kenjaku has several CTs which would negate confiscation easily. Higuruma is a bad matchup for Kenjaku.

What you’re arguing here can also be applied to Hakari. His base version isn’t even lethal to base Kashimo. Hitting a jackpot is just a possibility just like the possibility of Higuruma getting a case for Kenjaku’s crimes and winning. If it’s only about hax, Higuruma has every right to be considered a heavy hitter.

Uraume, like Kashimo, is featless though. Their only scaling is to Hakari who's stats are already in contention due to the ambiguity of his statements.

Not talking anything about Uraume physical speed
Uraume’s AoE attacks speed can even catch Maki and Yuji together, but I’m just going to leave it at that because I know it’s pointless, given how much love Maki gets from you.

Anyway, as I already mentioned, I don’t have much time to argue about most of this. So, I might or might not reply to your arguments. I’ll also ignore any arguments that I find unconvincing or irrelevant to my counters.

 

[Rosa]

I find it funny how JJK supporters here use arguments like Yuta saying Yuji is fast as a way to cap JJK's speed, while also arguing that Yuta was faster than Yuji.

I'm not someone who things JJK's speed is capped.

What I’m saying is that even if he was holding back, nothing suggests he was significantly faster than that version of Yuji.

This is at best a neutral position of "we don't know who's faster than Yuta and Hakari" which is where I'm at.

This isn't true. Yuji stopped fighting back after they got out of the room. He was trying when he was inside the room. He himself admitted it. Check the bottom left second panel.

If you're talking about inside the room, Hakari traps Yuji inside the two doors and then two-hits him to which Yuji responds by headbutting Hakari. I don't find anything here majorly impressive, although I'm fine arguing that CG Yuji isn't massively above base Hakari since I don't think it brings us any closer to comparing Yuta and Hakari.

His Domain being faster doesn’t mean he gets an instant jackpot it’s just a possibility. We saw how many rounds he needed with both Charles and Kashimo. His chances increase the more Domains he activates, but initially, he doesn’t get an instant jackpot.

Even during the Shinjuku showdown, until the full Kashimo vs. Sukuna fight happened, he didn’t hit a jackpot.

This might be a good point to say Hakari should be fast enough to easily stall against any non-heavy hitter to effectively guarantee a JP, which might have some impressive speed implications given Yuji is incredibly fast even pre-awakening.

Open Domain, cough cough. So, I’m not going to bother with Domain battle arguments.

My point wasn't to say Hakari would beat Kenjaku in a domain clash, Kenjaku's domain is godly, but just that overall compared to most sorcerers Hakari's DE has an inherent edge in clashes which makes him a tricky opponent.

Well we do have feats which indicates that.

Do you mean their feats on Sukuna?

What you’re arguing here can also be applied to Hakari. His base version isn’t even lethal to base Kashimo. Hitting a jackpot is just a possibility just like the possibility of Higuruma getting a case for Kenjaku’s crimes and winning. If it’s only about hax, Higuruma has every right to be considered a heavy hitter.

The possibility of JP is way higher than the possibility of Higuruma successfully confiscating Kenjaku's body hopping technique (which would be the only problematic thing for him to deal with).

Not talking anything about Uraume physical speed
Uraume’s AoE attacks speed can even catch Maki and Yuji together, but I’m just going to leave it at that because I know it’s pointless, given how much love Maki gets from you.

idrk what you mean by this, but Uraume's maximum technique was fast enough to fully trap an on-guard Maki. The only contention I'd have is the claim that all of Uraume's ice projectiles are therefore faster than Maki given (a) it was a maximum technique and (b) it was a AoE attack which doesn't necessitate greater speed to Maki in order to tag her.

 

[Arkenis]

I find it funny how JJK supporters here use arguments like Yuta saying Yuji is fast as a way to cap JJK's speed, while also arguing that Yuta was faster than Yuji.

I'm not someone who things JJK's speed is capped.

You guys also aren't talking about JJK's speed I thought. And that is the least used argument.

Do you mean their feats on Sukuna?

If he is talking about that, seems pretty inconsistent considering Sukuna was always holding back to varying levels.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You guys also aren't talking about JJK's speed I thought. And that is the least used argument.

It's not even my main point. Arguing in one place that Yuta is way faster than Yuji (just because it's inverse), and then coming here to argue that both have the same speed, suggesting that JJK caps at a certain level of speed (just because we are using this crossovers scaling), is just hypocritical. Rosa doesn’t seem like that kind of person, so I'll just leave this here.

If he is talking about that, seems pretty inconsistent considering Sukuna was always holding back to varying levels.

Whether Yuta is on CT Kashimo's level or not isn’t really relevant to what I was arguing. So let’s drop that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm not someone who things JJK's speed is capped.

Ok thought you are like Arkenis my bad.

This is at best a neutral position of "we don't know who's faster than Yuta and Hakari" which is where I'm at.

Same goes for me.

If you're talking about inside the room, Hakari traps Yuji inside the two doors and then two-hits him to which Yuji responds by headbutting Hakari. I don't find anything here majorly impressive, although I'm fine arguing that CG Yuji isn't massively above base Hakari since I don't think it brings us any closer to comparing Yuta and Hakari.

Trapping Yuji is already a significant feat when you look at Yuta also try to tag Yuji multiple times but fails.

This might be a good point to say Hakari should be fast enough to easily stall against any non-heavy hitter to effectively guarantee a JP, which might have some impressive speed implications given Yuji is incredibly fast even pre-awakening.

As I already explained his base version doesn't have RCT nor impressive durability feat to survive any heavy hitters so it's gotten be speed which should be comparable to them.

My point wasn't to say Hakari would beat Kenjaku in a domain clash, Kenjaku's domain is godly, but just that overall compared to most sorcerers Hakari's DE has an inherent edge in clashes which makes him a tricky opponent.

Then ths above arguments is pointless.

Do you mean their feats on Sukuna?

Let’s just ignore Yuta vs. CT Kashimo it was just one of the examples. Now I don’t want to further divide the speed arguments between Hakari and Yuta by bringing in other characters.

The possibility of JP is way higher than the possibility of Higuruma successfully confiscating Kenjaku's body hopping technique (which would be the only problematic thing for him to deal with).

I already explained how his initial spins don’t have a higher probability it’s still just a possibility. There’s a higher chance of Hakari getting killed before that if the opponent has a significant gap in stats, which Kenjaku does for several reasons with his Curse Manipulation, Anti-Gravity, and Barrier techniques. Higuruma can get a crime to Kenjaku, but it’s up to Kenjaku’s skill to argue his way out of it. Higuruma is no pushover, and there’s a high possibility he manages to confiscate something. Since whatever gets confiscated is permanently sealed, it would significantly nerf Kenjaku.

idrk what you mean by this, but Uraume's maximum technique was fast enough to fully trap an on-guard Maki. The only contention I'd have is the claim that all of Uraume's ice projectiles are therefore faster than Maki given (a) it was a maximum technique and (b) it was a AoE attack which doesn't necessitate greater speed to Maki in order to tag her.

Spoiler

There are two things you got wrong:

First, I never argued that her ice projectiles are faster than her AoE attacks, nor vice versa.

Second, Maki was tagged by Max Output of one of her techniques, not her Max Technique. Max Output and Max Technique are two different things. Also, Uraume specifically stated that she was going all out against Hakari, so there’s no reason to assume she wouldn’t use her AoE attacks to completely freeze him. In fact, we saw her freezing his Domain entirely. When that moon-like structure appeared behind them, it also started freezing the surrounding area. Even when Gege showed glimpses of the battle, the surrounding area was covered in large ice blocks, which clearly indicates AoE attacks.

Hakari dodging those attacks is already an impressive speed feat. While Hakari is immortal, it’s not like he has low godly or high level regeneration, nor is it implied that his regeneration is sufficient to survive being frozen by Uraume and simply coming back from it. Additionally, he was wearing the same one side ripped pants throughout the fight, which suggests that his legs weren’t getting tagged by her AoE attacks later on.

For these reasons, I believe his speed is at least above her AoE attacks, if not comparable.

 

[LIGHTYW]

ngl.. sukuna maybe still holdin back..

 

[Rosa]

As I already explained his base version doesn't have RCT nor impressive durability feat to survive any heavy hitters so it's gotten be speed which should be comparable to them.

Gonna try avoid paragraph battles by just explaining where I'm at after thinking on it and maybe we can parse out some neutral ground.

Hakari being stated to be a heavy hitter (and this logic may apply to Yuta claiming Hakari is "stronger" than him whilst on a roll) requires his base state to be fast enough to at least stall against any non-heavy hitter combatant and likely be on the level of the HH, as if he wasn't then his immortality wouldn't be a realistic factor, and we see in the Kashimo fight JP Hakari is way faster than his regular self (Kashimo was pummelling a DE amped Hakari, Hakari didn't even tag Kashimo once inside the domain, meanwhile in JP the inverse was true with Kashimo rarely tagging Hakari and even stating that Hakari is getting faster when in JP).

So base Hakari should be in the same tier as Yuji (who I think is faster than Yuta and relative to Maki) and then significantly quicker in JP.

Second, Maki was tagged by Max Output of one of her techniques, not her Max Technique.

My bad, forgor

In fact, we saw her freezing his Domain entirely.

I don't recall this.

While Hakari is immortal, it’s not like he has low godly or high level regeneration, nor is it implied that his regeneration is sufficient to survive being frozen by Uraume and simply coming back from it.

Hakari's regen may not be high in terms of tiers (although I personally think he can regen from significant brain destruction but I think the CRT got rejected so sadge), but it is quick enough to regen as a lightning bolt was going through his skull. Ik there was a speed calc for that, I remember I did a very rough estimate calc and it got absurdly quick, which I'm actually fine with given his limbs regrowing perception blitzed Kashimo and Uraume and his regen speed is hyped up. Essentially I'm saying I think Hakari likely could survive 99% of the verses attacks via his RCT simply outpacing it.

Additionally, he was wearing the same one side ripped pants throughout the fight, which suggests that his legs weren’t getting tagged by her AoE attacks later on.

I think Gege just doesn't show ripped clothing (Gojo's shirt and pants surviving Sukuna's DE and a HP nuke)

 

[Shmooply]

Wiguruma and WUraume victims.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gonna try avoid paragraph battles by just explaining where I'm at after thinking on it and maybe we can parse out some neutral ground.

Yeah fair

Hakari being stated to be a heavy hitter (and this logic may apply to Yuta claiming Hakari is "stronger" than him whilst on a roll) requires his base state to be fast enough to at least stall against any non-heavy hitter combatant and likely be on the level of the HH, as if he wasn't then his immortality wouldn't be a realistic factor, and we see in the Kashimo fight JP Hakari is way faster than his regular self (Kashimo was pummelling a DE amped Hakari, Hakari didn't even tag Kashimo once inside the domain, meanwhile in JP the inverse was true with Kashimo rarely tagging Hakari and even stating that Hakari is getting faster when in JP).

Yeah agree with this.

So base Hakari should be in the same tier as Yuji (who I think is faster than Yuta and relative to Maki) and then significantly quicker in JP.

Yeah this is also my POV.

To be clear things up incase there was some misunderstanding between us
I was arguing JP Hakari speed > Yuta ~ Base Hakari
I wasn't Claiming Base Hakari is faster than Yuta.

I don't recall this.

Hakari's regen may not be high in terms of tiers (although I personally think he can regen from significant brain destruction but I think the CRT got rejected so sadge), but it is quick enough to regen as a lightning bolt was going through his skull. Ik there was a speed calc for that, I remember I did a very rough estimate calc and it got absurdly quick, which I'm actually fine with given his limbs regrowing perception blitzed Kashimo and Uraume and his regen speed is hyped up. Essentially I'm saying I think Hakari likely could survive 99% of the verses attacks via his RCT simply outpacing it.

Well, maybe, but you see, it’s his body instinctively using RCT because the infinite Cursed Energy flowing into him doesn’t break him. So, it’s hard to imagine him regenerating from significant brain damage.

I think Gege just doesn't show ripped clothing (Gojo's shirt and pants surviving Sukuna's DE and a HP nuke)

Gojo and Hakari’s cases are different, to be fair. Gojo was being sliced, while Hakari’s body parts were being destroyed along with his clothes. Gojo never lost a single part of his clothing, while Hakari was losing his pants and jacket. However, you can also see Sukuna losing his clothes. Regarding the Jujutsu High uniforms, there was also a statement about Cursed Energy being mixed into them. So, when Gojo used RCT, his clothes didn’t get ripped apart—they were also restored. I read this somewhere, possibly in Lightning thread, but I’ve forgotten exactly where.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

 

[Giannysmag]

Tierlist of how well Yuji would do against each character, what do yall think

 

[Arkenis]

Tierlist of how well Yuji would do against each character, what do yall think

Probably dumb but always need clarification, this would be Post bf amps and Awakened not start of Shinjuku battle? If so then this seems fine, I'd probably move Hakari, Geto, Uraume, Uro up to 50/50 but thats it.

 

[Giannysmag]

Probably dumb but always need clarification, this would be Post bf amps and Awakened not start of Shinjuku battle?

Yep

If so then this seems fine, I'd probably move Hakari, Geto, Uraume, Uro up to 50/50 but thats it.

Uro I can agree with since she is basically a hard counter to Yuji's fighting style, Hakari too probably but I have to downplay him due to his association with Kashimo, Geto and Uraume are domain victims

 

[Giannysmag]

Now that I think about it, this type of tierlist might be more interesting with Kashimo. Just to see how biased I really am

 

[Giannysmag]

I think I was pretty fair to the bum

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Tierlist of how well Yuji would do against each character, what do yall think

Some Yuji and Kashimo downplay but pretty good

I think I was pretty fair to the bum

Jogo>Base Kashimo is crazy

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Tierlist of how well Yuji would do against each character, what do yall think

Yuji downplay

 

[Duedate8898]

I will argue that Yuki isn't a 50/50.

My hot take is that she should probably sit comfortably in the tier that Kenjaku and Yuta get to sit in, with her either right above or next to Yuta

 

[Giannysmag]

Jogo>Base Kashimo is crazy

Not really. Jogo has more raw power, range, can regenerate and has a domain. Kashimo's only wincon is lightning discharge to the head which requires him to engage in CQC and build up enough charge, which is gonna be tough when Jogo is constantly blasting him with big AOE fires and explosions