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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
In JJK this is different, Soul's are the top of the layering instead. Just because spirits are lesser invisible in Jojo doesn't mean they are in JJK.
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Being layered above Cursed Energy related phenomena doesn't actually prove that the souls in JJK would have superior layering to anything spiritual. The physical bodies of Cursed Spirits and Cursed Energy exist as a second form of light that a normal human brain can't usually perceive but wearing special glasses, like how we have thermal goggles to see infrared which is outside the visible light spectrum, can let non-sorcerers like the President of the USA see curses. Souls being impercetible is a whole different topic since it's possible for non-sorcerers like Daido, who don't know even know a lick about using Cursed Energy let alone seeing curses, to perceive them
 
SunDaGamer said:
Being layered above Cursed Energy related phenomena doesn't actually prove that the souls in JJK would have superior layering to anything spiritual. The physical bodies of Cursed Spirits and Cursed Energy exist as a second form of light that a normal human brain can't usually perceive but wearing special glasses, like how we have thermal goggles to see infrared which is outside the visible light spectrum, can let non-sorcerers like the President of the USA see curses. Souls being impercetible is a whole different topic since it's possible for non-sorcerers like Daido, who don't know even know a lick about using Cursed Energy let alone seeing curses, to perceive them
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It's not different. CE is still spiritual, Cursed Spirits are still spiritual. And Daido couldn't see souls, he was seeing everything else and predicting off that like Maki did.
 
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
thoughts on this?
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Kashimo's CT isn't lightning, Kashimo can manipulate the positive and negative charges within CE to release them as bolts of lightning. It's not CE shaped as lightning being fired, but lightning produced from the charges within CE (i.e. fully natural).
 
The broader point should be that the way Gojo's infinity works is through manipulating space, so anything which travels along space would logically be affected (including sub-atomic energy, including intangible or spiritual substances, including electricity or things which exist as a wave), the only debate to be had is whether or not Gojo needs to be able to react to the speed of the incoming thing to bend space at a fast enough rate to stop it.
 
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
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another argument about stands bypassing infinity
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If Stands can be affected by space being distorted,—which they can; see The Hand, C-Moon,—then they can be impeded by the Limitless.
Moreover, Toji Fushiguro is completely devoid of Cursed Energy and yet required a Cursed Tool which specifically disrupts Cursed Techniques in attacking Gojo.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
If Stands can be affected by space being distorted,—which they can; see The Hand, C-Moon,—then they can be impeded by the Limitless.
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isn't that just stand getting affected by another stand abilities, It gets affected by space because another stands ability caused that to happen quoting a friend "Just because stand that can affect another stand, actually affects another stand with its space manip doesn’t mean they can be affected by every form of space manip"
or is my friend stopid?
 
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
isn't that just stand getting affected by another stand abilities, It gets affected by space because another stands ability caused that to happen quoting a friend "Just because stand that can affect another stand, actually affects another stand with its space manip doesn’t mean they can be affected by every form of space manip"
or is my friend stopid?
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What makes the space manip any different from space manip?
 
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
im going to be fair too here, he thinks DIO wins against Sukuna because of "light speed punches on time stop" and "CE reinforcement will stop because of time stop"
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ah yes light speed punches from a being of dubious matter and CE reinforcement that is already in effect will for what ever reason just turn off the second time stops.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
yeah, whats preventing that exactly? its not like his heart needs to beat if time is stopped.
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Time stop happening what like every couple of seconds. And the fact Dio's time stop gets longer and longer. Then take into account the other abilities like him absorbing him, him targeting his eyes, he can freeze all of Sukuna's water killing him instantly.
 
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
Stands are said to be only affected by other stands, so it makes sense that the only type of space manip they get affected by is the space manip of another stand, sorry if this is an stupid question
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That doesn't make sense when you put it into context. It's talking about Stands interacting with one another. If this was the case the calamity, a force of the universe should not have an effect on them.
 
Arkenis said:
It's not different. CE is still spiritual, Cursed Spirits are still spiritual.
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The body of a Cursed Spirit and the soul of a Cursed Spirit have some distinction. You don't have to be able to perceive the soul to see, interact with and harm a Cursed Spirit's body (which is made of Cursed Energy, that's why they are invisible to normal people in the first place) and by damaging a curse's body enough with CE, you can exorcise one irrespective of anything relating to sensing souls. It took a Cursed Spirit whose whole CT revolves around manipulating souls to form a Cursed Spirit that can't be truly harmed without soul perception. Hell, Cursed Spirits literally become more physical when their bodies are made of more CE. There's also the stuff with Jogo saying their souls will circulate after their deaths and Jogo talking to Hanami and Dagon's souls after their bodies have been reduced to char or smoke.

Arkenis said:
And Daido couldn't see souls, he was seeing everything else and predicting off that like Maki did.
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Daido awakening the Split Soul Katana's true power thanks to his senses is what Maki was trying to achieve
 
How is cursed spirits operating on a different wavelength of light which is entirely undetectable by human senses any different from a spirit in another verse which is only visible through extrasensory perception?
 
Arkenis said:
Time stop happening what like every couple of seconds. And the fact Dio's time stop gets longer and longer. Then take into account the other abilities like him absorbing him, him targeting his eyes, he can freeze all of Sukuna's water killing him instantly.
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this is part 3 dio, he doesn't have that due to jonathans body being hamon filled and dio not having full control yet* and unless we are giving Dio a jostar to munch on that control is not improving and neither is his time stop (since it only started getting better past that point)

and yeah time stop would be happening every couple of seconds cuse unless dio wants to be dust in less than a second he'd need it since sukuna would pull his domain which-DIO-can't-see-btw the second the first time stop would be done since having his heart crushed before he could even react would likely prompt a bit of a drastic action.

Plus... its DIO the man would monalauge and that would lead to a bit of an issue with the bloodthirsty trigger happy maniac that can one tap him.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
this is part 3 dio, he doesn't have that due to jonathans body being hamon filled and dio not having full control yet
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He does have ice manip with Jonathan's body. He just not use because The World and Stands in general made them obsolete. What's he gonna do? Freeze Star Platinum?
 
M3X_2.0 said:
He does have ice manip with Jonathan's body. He just not use because The World and Stands in general made them obsolete. What's he gonna do? Freeze Star Platinum?
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or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once and the only explonation as to why he doesn't is because he still doesn't have 100% control of the body.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once.
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He does, he has everything from Part 1. Araki has said that he still has all of this but said it's also useless. It was even present in the old OVAs and that was secondary canon for a decade. It makes no sense to say "it's Jonathan body" because Jonathan didn't have vampiric regeneration, blood manipulation, poison and more from standard vampire abilities.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
or ya know jotaro, polnareff or joseph each of whom he had his hands on, multiple times in some instances, also if he had ice manip that would also mean he would have his stinger eyes which he just doesn't otherwise he'd use it on jotaro at least once and the only explonation as to why he doesn't is because he still doesn't have 100% control of the body.
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Or he rather use the ability bestowed upon him from the world (Za world!). The guy’s a egoistical, self obsessed, deranged, narcissistic, vampire. This is like giving a kid a bunch of cool stuff and then you give him the PS5, and suddenly that’s all he focuses on.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Idk, it feels wrong to think that Sukuna can't survive basic freezing when we have Hakari fightning Uraume for 25 chapters
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Sukuna’s not getting frozen, he’s having the heat removed from his body parts on contact freezing his blood in the vessels. Dio stops time and does it to him he’s making him a popsicle.
 
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