Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Emirp sumitpo]

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[Emirp sumitpo]

Spoiler: Tiktok kinda cooked?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Spoiler: Tiktok kinda cooked?

If Yuta loses means that he sucks

 

[Rosa]

The chapter was very short but here are my opinions:

Spoiler: CH262

The argument for Yuta achieving Gojo's level of skill and efficiency with CE, and therefore reaching his level or surpassing him, was contingent on the idea that the memories and experience are embedded into the body. This was never portrayed as an instantaneous thing within JJK, Yuji experiences Sukuna's CE control in his own body numerous times and still needed further soul swap training to access it (and even then the soul swap training took nearly a month to get them where they are now). The chapter has outright confirmed this for us. Yuta only knows how to perform Gojo's basketball domain through previous training with him (which if Gojo knew how to do it going into the fight it opens up a lot of questions, like why didn't he start off with that and why was Yuta so surprised seeing it), and when he attempts to use blue it requires two hands and barely manifests, with the speed at which it dragged Sukuna to him catching Yuta off guard. He frankly has no experience with that technique. Further, he wasn't even aware of Sukuna using DA within a DE proving he doesn't have instant access to Gojo's memories, mental notes, etc. Further, Yuta's reinforcement clearly isn't on the level of Gojo's. In the Gojo vs Sukuna battle, their domains were evenly matched because Gojo held the edge in CE refinement whilst Sukuna the edge in CE reserves (both things which go into determining the stability of a domain), and yet Sukuna and Yuta have equal reserves and Yuta is still barely stalemating his domain. So the Yuta = Gojo arguments can be put to rest now, it's exactly as Gojo told us in ch261; at birth Yuta was more blessed than even Gojo and yet Yuta fell behind due to sloppiness - Yuta can't utilise CE like Gojo can no matter the advantages.

However, there's hope here. Yuta will likely improve as the fight goes on as he grows more experienced with the limitless and Gojo's body, and further Sukuna didn't dominate as badly as everyone wants to think. Sukuna caught Yuta off guard and landed two punches whilst grappling him and Yuta managed to get out of the grapple and create distance, Sukuna definitely has the advantage here but it's not a stomp. Yuta will improve and will deliver Sukuna gift-wrapped to Yuji to finish off.

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[Arkenis]

Just got told Kusakabe is stronger than Nanami. I don't know why this arc has created so much discrepancy in everyone's views on the characters.

 

[Giannysmag]

Just got told Kusakabe is stronger than Nanami. I don't know why this arc has created so much discrepancy in everyone's views on the characters.

I mean

Straight from the horse's mouth

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Who the heck is Usami

 

[Arkenis]

I mean

Straight from the horse's mouth

Die.

 

[Rosa]

Die.

we really gonna equate pre-Shibuya Kusakabe to Shinjuku Kusakabe who's stated to have improved his CE reinforcement and has vastly superior feats of damaging Sukuna?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Who is stronger isnt only about raw power

Kusakabe is stronger simply due to his skill level and simple domain

 

[Arkenis]

we really gonna equate pre-Shibuya Kusakabe to Shinjuku Kusakabe who's stated to have improved his CE reinforcement and has vastly superior feats of damaging Sukuna?

Yeah? Kusakabe improved reinforcement not output, and the Sukuna thing is against a Sukuna who is uninterested in Kusakabe, making his ce levels drop more. Forget the fact Kusakabe has zero feats without his simple domain in this arc.

 

[Duedate8898]

Reinforcement is related to output, as seen by Sukuna's reference to Ryu when cutting up yuji and yuta

we really gonna equate pre-Shibuya Kusakabe to Shinjuku Kusakabe who's stated to have improved his CE reinforcement and has vastly superior feats of damaging Sukuna?

While it's defintely true that Shinjuku Kusakabe should be tougher and stronger than his Shibuya self, since Nanami is also quoted in this interview it would have to take place before his death. So Nanami probably considered Shibuya Kusakabe above himself.

 

[Giannysmag]

Who the heck is Usami

The Chinese sorcerer Sukuna fears

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

While it's defintely true that Shinjuku Kusakabe should be tougher and stronger than his Shibuya self, since Nanami is also quoted in this interview it would have to take place before his death. So Nanami probably considered Shibuya Kusakabe above himself.

Yeah, but Mei Mei's comment suggests it's not in terms of strength

Though of course Shinjuku Kusakabe has feats that probably puts him above them

 

[Giannysmag]

Die.

Depends on what you classify as "stronger", i consider someone to be stronger not just based on raw power but who can beat the other more consistently

 

[Arkenis]

Reinforcement is related to output, as seen by Sukuna's reference to Ryu when cutting up yuji and yuta

Wdym? He talks about Ryu's toughness not his output, when have reinforcement and output been related?

 

[Arkenis]

Depends on what you classify as "stronger", i consider someone to be stronger not just based on raw power but who can beat the other more consistently

Well I am just referring to output here, not beating.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Wdym? He talks about Ryu's toughness not his output, when have reinforcement and output been related?

To be fair, output has been used as an umbrella term way too many times

It's clarified that output and reinforcement aren't necessarily the same, but they're typically related

 

[Giannysmag]

Well I am just referring to output here, not beating.

I still think current Kusakabe > Nanami in power tbh

 

[M3X_2.0]

when have reinforcement and output been related?

Only once.

 

[M3X_2.0]

And even this could be Yuta referencing Ryu's Granite Blast output.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Only once.

Isn't this the one instance where it's most implied that output and reinforcement have something to do with strength?

 

[Arkenis]

Probably the fact that output has been used as an umbrella term way too many times

When has output be used to talk about reinforcement? The Ryu vs Yuta fight was pretty clear reinforcement and output were different.

I still think current Kusakabe > Nanami in power tbh

What feats does he have without simple domain?

Only once.

That is Yuta talking about Ryu's output being instantaneous and Ryu talking about Yuta's reinforcement being good?

 

[Giannysmag]

Only once.

I think output would be considered the additional bit of CE that flows into a punch, while reinforcment is the cursed energy that is constantly flowing through a sorcerer's body

 

[Giannysmag]

What feats does he have without simple domain?

What feats does Nanami have without Ratio?

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think output would be considered the additional bit of CE that flows into a punch, while reinforcment is the cursed energy that is constantly flowing through a sorcerer's body

Yep. Reinforcement can be these three things and output is one of them, output isn't necessarily related to reinforcement, as this scan says.

 

[Arkenis]

I always though Gojo saying Yuta has poor ce control meant his output was poor since we see his reinforcement is always high to everyone, even to strong hitters like Yuji and Ryu

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

When has output be used to talk about reinforcement? The Ryu vs Yuta fight was pretty clear reinforcement and output were different.

When Sukuna and Gojo's outputs were shot late into their battle, Sukuna makes note of the fact that a normal output Purple would be fatal for him at that distance due to his weakened state, implying it wouldn't necessarily be fatal otherwise. They only ever use the word output within this sequence of events, never specifically using the word reinforcement. Obviously output and reinforcement aren't related necessarily, but it typically seems to be the case as far as I can tell

 

[M3X_2.0]

I always though Gojo saying Yuta has poor ce control meant his output was poor since we see his reinforcement is always high to everyone, even to strong hitters like Yuji and Ryu

I think it's more related to efficiency, since Yuta has nigh unlimited CE he doesn't care that much about spending it. His output was complimented a few times.

 

[Arkenis]

What feats does Nanami have without Ratio?

How does this answer my question? Nanami has scaling above Todo and Yuji during Goodwill and then has a statement for being comparable to Yuji in Shibuya. That's more than anything Kusakabe has in statements or feats.

I think it's more related to efficiency, since Yuta has nigh unlimited CE he doesn't care that much about spending it. His output was complimented a few times.

I only remember Ryu saying its not bad, what were the other times?

 

[Duedate8898]

Wdym? He talks about Ryu's toughness not his output, when have reinforcement and output been related?

Ryu is a great case for output and reinforcement being related as Sukuna notes how Yuta and Yuji aren't tougher than him. Ryu has the greatest output of all the culling games players, that's his most notable feature.

And reinforcement is a form of output it's just not an offensive use of it

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

When Sukuna and Gojo's outputs were shot late into their battle, Sukuna makes note of the fact that a normal output Purple would be fatal for him at that distance due to his weakened state, implying it wouldn't necessarily be fatal otherwise. They only ever use the word output within this sequence of events, never specifically using the word reinforcement. Obviously output and reinforcement aren't related necessarily, but it typically seems to be the case as far as I can tell

Ok, so he does make mention of his reinforcement. However, it also moves into him saying that it's not in perfect shape rn, which is when their outputs are shot. I took that as output and reinforcement scaling proportionately at least. That's just me

 

[M3X_2.0]

I only remember Ryu saying its not bad, what were the other times?

When the narrator says it's only slightly below Ryu's who has the highest of all.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Ryu is a great case for output and reinforcement being related as Sukuna notes how Yuta and Yuji aren't tougher than him. Ryu has the greatest output of all the culling games players, that's his most notable feature.

And reinforcement is a form of output it's just not an offensive use of it

Y'know, Yuta vs Ryu was a dynamic of reinforcement vs output. There was something cool going on there. But no, apparently Ryu might be tougher

 

[Duedate8898]

How does this answer my question? Nanami has scaling above Todo and Yuji during Goodwill and then has a statement for being comparable to Yuji in Shibuya. That's more than anything Kusakabe has in statements or feats.

Mei Mei compares Yuji to Kuskabe as well in Shibuya. And he blocks an Uzumaki from Kenjaku, that's a pretty good feat

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Mei Mei compares Yuji to Kuskabe as well in Shibuya. And he blocks an Uzumaki from Kenjaku, that's a pretty good feat

That might have been through Simple Domain given his stance icl

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That might have been through Simple Domain given his stance icl

Nvm. I checked. He wasn't using the Simple Domain stance

Kusakabe is just like that

 

[Duedate8898]

As noted by Kusakabe while fighting Sukuna, Simple Domain only does so much to help neutral an attack. Still a solid feat