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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Giannysmag said:
Even better if the character has infnite/immeasurable combat speed yet they need finite time to reach a certain location
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Kratos is arguably the most wanked character in this site and I'm not joking. How can you play God Of War 2018 and Ragnarok and tell me with a straight face that Kratos has Tier 2 AP when I just witnessed his ass getting damaged by an arrow.
 
Passersby said:
..there is no lightning nor light speed bits, i can maybe see the god tiers being the double digit mach range but even then the gojo vs sukuna fight had multiple timers in the seconds where they didn't cross the entire planet back to back got to the moon fought there for a bit came back exchanged billions of blows statue gravity and be invinsible to everyone(example being he 41 second timeframe in Chapter 235 where they're showed only throwing around like a couple dozen blows at most and reacting to Red before it reaches its target, no matter how you twist it, that fight cannot be happening in reltavisitc or massively hypersonic velocities) nothing in jjk supports that notion

LS anything in jjk or even lightning timing isn't exactly supported by much of anything, the power scalers usually just blow the stats out of proportions without understanding the implications the speed would have for the acual scenes, from what i remember of the fight it wasn't a constant blur of ungodly relativistic velocities, even the fact that Gojo's Red was able to loop around and strike sukuna in the same position indicates that Sukuna is standing in the same place for an amount of time not measured in the nanoseconds and the fact that gojo only manages to land one blow on Sukuna and then fails to follow it up in the 10 seconds of exposure to UV before Mahoraga emerges and shatters his domain also says a lot

as i said, i can see the god tiers being hyperonic, double digit mach? maybe

lightning timing and above is a hell no

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Faaaax
 
M3X_2.0 said:
It's like, people legit watch/read a series WITH NO FEATS FROM THIS TIER AT ALL and yet they keep throwing it around

"bro trust me Naruto is solar system level" - a manga where a single planet haven't been destroyed
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Me and @Rosa used to be together members of a different wiki where tier 2 Naruto was the law because of Kaguya’s spacetimes.

Now Naruto (with Boruto) got downgraded to below planet level… lool. We argued that Uzuhiko was an anti feat for tier 2 Naruto and their arguments and now the Naruto website proved us right. Naruto the true sphere victim.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Miguel also repeatedly says he does not fw with Gojo. Regardless of their relativity, there's a clear gap in strength. And that's considering that Miguel used the Black Rope to disable neutral Limitless at the very least if not cancel out the Limitless entirely, and certainly used Hakuna Lana, which would debuff Gojo while buffing himself, all of which amounted to stalling him for 12 minutes and coming out of the fight not wanting to engage the latter in combat ever again
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After looking back on those scenes in the manga and anime, Gojo still had access to Limitless when fighting Miguel; he was able pull off a Red after getting hit w/the rope. Gojo did confirm that it was being disturbed, he still had the ability to use Limitless.

Meaning at that fight, Gojo would still have access to the forcefield from neutral limitless, the gravity manipulation, teleportation and essentially mini black holes of Blue, the destructive blasts of Red, the potential EE (still not sure where we land on that)/ even more destructive blast of Purple, RCE to heal from any damage to the point of MID regen, the 6 eyes that give him the efficiency to essentially spam any of his moves endlessly etc. That's just what we've confirmed for him to have at this specific point; for all we know, Gojo had his DE and just didn't use it b/c of overkill/Gege not having the DE concept at the time.

Meanwhile, Miguel's rope only had some effect on Gojo's technique. His Hakuna Lana could be effective but it requires he keeps that rhythm/beat he has etched into his heart up which would be hard given all of the powers and abilities Gojo has at his disposal.

Yes, Miguel avoids fighting Gojo b/c of a huge gap in strength/power, but it's not even about the physicals, entirely. Gojo just has so much OP Hax abilities that Miguel having equal/comparable physical stats wouldn't make a difference in an all out fight between them.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Me and @Rosa used to be together members of a different wiki where tier 2 Naruto was the law because of Kaguya’s spacetimes.

Now Naruto (with Boruto) got downgraded to below planet level… lool. We argued that Uzuhiko was an anti feat for tier 2 Naruto and their arguments and now the Naruto website proved us right. Naruto the true sphere victim.
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Uni Naruto never made sense in the first place. Like, Boruto's strongest attack was calc'd at High 6-A, yet he is going to be superior to Naruto and Sasuke? Naruto wankers always confuse me when they make claims like that.

I saw someone say that Post-TS Boruto beats Cosmic f****** Garou, then when I debunked them they still didn't realize how stupid that sounds. YT debating is a lawless place.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Yeah, but only in combat speed. Joseph cannot run in the same speed he can block a laser, neither can Kars. And they’re fighters, they use their body to fight, unlike Stand users.
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Always the same argument smh
Giannysmag said:
Sopit your shit. Same thing with using travel speed =/= combat speed to justify why an MFTL character can't catch up to a speeding car or smth
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Passersby said:
appearently the guy can't use his MFTL arms to push himself in the general direction of the car, or use the revolutionary idea of running with his hands because appearently he skipped leg day just a bit too much, i guess he just never tought about that lol
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That's not just a white part of a full suit...? Bro's actually just ******* half naked. Not even horizontally but vertically of all things... wtf
 
Passersby said:
..there is no lightning nor light speed bits, i can maybe see the god tiers being the double digit mach range but even then the gojo vs sukuna fight had multiple timers in the seconds where they didn't cross the entire planet back to back got to the moon fought there for a bit came back exchanged billions of blows statue gravity and be invinsible to everyone(example being he 41 second timeframe in Chapter 235 where they're showed only throwing around like a couple dozen blows at most and reacting to Red before it reaches its target, no matter how you twist it, that fight cannot be happening in reltavisitc or massively hypersonic velocities) nothing in jjk supports that notion

LS anything in jjk or even lightning timing isn't exactly supported by much of anything, the power scalers usually just blow the stats out of proportions without understanding the implications the speed would have for the acual scenes, from what i remember of the fight it wasn't a constant blur of ungodly relativistic velocities, even the fact that Gojo's Red was able to loop around and strike sukuna in the same position indicates that Sukuna is standing in the same place for an amount of time not measured in the nanoseconds and the fact that gojo only manages to land one blow on Sukuna and then fails to follow it up in the 10 seconds of exposure to UV before Mahoraga emerges and shatters his domain also says a lot

as i said, i can see the god tiers being hyperonic, double digit mach? maybe

lightning timing and above is a hell no

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yeah no, characters in the series have undoubtedly perceived, reacted and dodged lightning in the series, its more iffy with the EM waves. Characters have shown to be lightning timers in the series, now if you think Gege adding that is inconsistent to your own scaling then so be it whatever. Characters do not have to do the most absurd stuff to have those ratings (crossing the planet or flying to the moon) and no fight in shonen is 100% accurate with distance travelled compared to their fighting speed. Otherwise nothing is legit.

The idea isn't supported is also wrong as gege has clearly identified characters fighting with and as mentioned react/dodging lightning, even getting a science advisor to make it accurate lightning, its fine to say it you don't accept part of your own scaling but it wrong to speak as if the series doesn't involve it. your subjective scaling doesn't represent the series.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
The 5% is an example, but I doubt the average person thinks Gojo’s physicals without blue are stronger than Rika or Yuki Tsukumo

The point is the stat gaps aren’t where it’s at
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You appeal a lot to what the "average person" or "normal person" would think when watching JJK when:
a) what the audience interpret isn't necessarily what's accurate
b) you have no metric to quantify what the general audience perspective is outside of your own perspective
c) you're attempting to construct a powerscaling argument by saying we ought to reject powerscaling perspectives, inherently discrediting yourself

The average person likely isn't going to look at Gojo and think "ah yes, Mach 429.297194 speeds with blue enhancement" because the average person isn't too interested in trying to make precise measurements of power outside of "wow Gojo is really fast", but this doesn't mean that making those precise measurements is in some way dishonest (as you've claimed) or losing the meaning of the series, if anything the opposite is true. In the same way the average watcher of a movie isn't going to analyse the dynamics between the characters and be able to talk about their depth, simply thinking "wow, this is entertaining", whilst a media analyst would be capable of doing so - would we therefore say the media analyst is dishonestly losing the meaning of the series for the sake of some pre-determined agenda?

Powerscalers are interested in analysing a piece of media to measure the characters power in precise ways, so we construct calcs, analyse scaling chains, interpret statements, and so on to do so, that will inherently lead us to think things which the average watcher wouldn't have thought of. To start your powerscaling approach with "powerscaling is wrong, the average viewer is right, I am the average viewer, therefore I am right" is clownery. It's why you're incapable of answering any question people ask, incapable of analysing the particulars of matchups or in-series fights, incapable of addressing all the feats, instead all you can do is make broad and meaningless generalisations and false equivalences such as "Uro ~ Yuta, therefore the gap between Gojo and Mei Mei is like 5%". You're engaging in surface level "powerscaling bad" arguments we had to deal with back in 2016.
 
Rosa said:
Is there a way to do polls? Curious as to what the general consensus here is regarding Miguel's statement of comparing to no CT Gojo
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Off-site only. Although I find it funny that people deliberately disregard canon statements just because they don’t like it.
 
Isn't that statement just about fighting style and Miguel being better in short term and not about physicals?
 
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