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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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EldemadeDityjon
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Miguel was relative to Gojo albeit weaker (this is regarding without CT for both). Even though JJK0 came out before main series the plot hasn't changed anything Gege does trying to say Miguel physicals are around Gojos level but I think this is only applies to JJK0 Gojo not current Gojo. Current Gojo > Miguel.
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Gojo made that statement when he was visiting Yuta in Africa so he still thinks that even on that period of time.
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in your own headcanon,maybe, what gege did implement however, is explicit timiframes and speed values that are nowhere near what you want them to be, if you want to claim that gege's intention with kashimo's lightning was for it to have actual lightning speed (90km/s+), sure ig, but that's only your headcanon and you have zero evidence in series for that to be the case, but what is undeniable is the fact that we see characters visibly not moving in whatever ungodly speed you want them to be at because we have actual explicit time frames the author gave us where the characters move in quantifiable distance that never breaches the single digit mach range even being generous
show me the instance where gege stated that the lightning is as fast as irl lightning rather than that conclusion being reached by a bunch of nerds in the internet and i'll concede that you're right
usually they do, yes, and even if i concede that this is right, that still doesn't support the MHS jjk argument because the anti feats consist of explicit author provded time frames and quantifiable distances crossed in said time frame while all the feats that support triple digit jjk scaling consist of is the fans's headcanon of a lightning based cursed technique being as fast as irl lightning, had such obvious and non negiotiable anti feats not been a thing you'd have a point, but they do, so you don't
because powerscalers suck and authors sometimes don't care enough and just want to sound cool, that's usually why, in case of jjk, gege is a talented author, he knows what he is doing, you really just want to ignore the multiple instances where characters have not and without the shadow of a doubt been moving at whatever speed you want to have them at
if gojo was legit mach 500 the multiple time frames provided across the gojo vs sukuna fight will cease to make sens, you're breaking and ruining the plot for the sake of whatever scaling you want the characters to have even when they don't
without providing evidence that he implemented said lightning to be 90km/s in the story the explicit time frames provided are a far more reliable method of judging the characters's stats because those don't require any assumptions, because really, all you're doing is assuming the lightning to be that fast despite every other speed showing telling to your face that it's not
it would have been inconsistent if gege straight up told us the exact speed of the lightning/the lightning was from the sky, but it's not, it's the byproduct of a cursed technique so it's speed is largely unkown, but the scenes and speed showings in the series put an upper limit of how fast it can get, which is not much lol
....you mean objective, do you see any assumptions in my post?
spot them, all i did is purely analyze the scenes and fights without providing any assumption of what could be or could not be a certain way, the information in it is objective and undisputable while your logic is shaky at best
kashimo's lightning not being 90km/s fixes the "inconsistencies" (they shouldn't even exist), if anything they'd effectively be gone
EldemadeDityjon
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I think that was when he sent Yuta to train with Miguel. So it was around JJK0 Time period.
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Gojo sent him to train after the Kyoto event of that year iirc, it took Yuta 3 months to get his Special Grade back and only after that he went to Africa I think. And that visit could’ve been like in the end or in the middle.
We know of two visits at least: One when Gojo tasked Yuta to protect his students and another when he made that statement about Miguel. Could be the same trip though who knows.
EldemadeDityjon
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The fact Yuta didn't know Miguel strength indicates Gojo was talking about Miguel to Yuta before the training started.
When Gojo requested Yuta to protect the students Miguel hasn't met Gojo (Miguel turned him down) also we can see him being in his Uniform but the chapter where Gojo visits Miguel seems like casual dress.
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Not really, zero correlation with Yuta knowing Miguel’s strength and the period of the training.
It’s stated that this “training” was more like a search for another rope.
Yeah the Miguel refusing to meet him point is fine, but Gojo could've just changed clothes lol, he’s a weirdo but I think he’d bring different clothes.
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I mean I go back and forth on it. Miguel technically doesn't have any anti-feats since he blitzed Sukuna in that short burst attack, but at the same time it's strange to think Miguel would be so cowardly as to run if he was actually that strong. The statement itself was structured in the context of a fight, suggesting it's about stats, but the actual answer itself was reference concepts in martial arts so maybe not...? Idk.
Ped2018
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I can accept reading dumb shit from Reddit users... but you???
Shit has been debunked over 100 times by now man... please stop
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LMFAOOOO
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hey @Chariot190 come here
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The Goodwill Event is an annual occurrence. We see it take place in 2018. The previous one took place in 2017. That's when Yuta stomped the Kyoto roster. At an unknown point in time after JJK 0, he was sent to Africa to train
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Unfortunately for you I have his Discord
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Yeah I said that
Giannysmag
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Jojo's caps at 9-A and LS
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Oh shit way better than JJK
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I posted something about this w/Gojo in that instance. Even if they are comparable, in terms of physical capabilities, Sukuna has a bunch of other OP Hax abilities that Miguel just cannot counter. I remember Miguel saying he'd be willing to fight Sukuna at a time when his MS is off the table.
Guacamolefletcher
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You're misunderstanding that 5% argument. The entire point is that making that marginal increase is incredibly hard eventhough it's just a tiny 5% marginal increase.
I maintain it's the same between someone like Gojo and Yuta.
Yuta is strong enough to take punches from Gojo with no blue, and he can even take punches from Ryu, though they hurt a lot, but regardless my position is it's not a one-shot level gap. It's the reason why 80% of Sukuna (at worst) can't deal lethal blows to Ryu without cleave, despite 100% Sukuna being Gojo level.
The scaling chain would be something like:
Yuta ~< Ryu (albeit Ryu is definitively stronger) >~ 80% Sukuna
Yuta ~< 80% Sukuna (in raw punches) ~< Ryu ~< 100% Sukuna ~ Gojo
and this is also while not considering the Ryu > 100% Sukuna via the greatest output in history shit.
So the gap between Yuta and Gojo isn't that huge in terms of numbers, but it makes all the difference because canonically you need to sacrifice everything in order to reach that level.
More stuff supporting it would be the narrative with Yuta surpassing Gojo. Yuta wouldn't train Rika to grow in AP 100x to grow to Gojo level, but rather Rika is already at that level of physicality and Yuta needs to polish other aspects to grow as a sorcerer
Giannysmag
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People don't seem to understand how insane of a feat Gojo tanking MS is for his physicalsPeak
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The Goodwill Event of 2017 would logically have taken place before the Night Parade because Yuta still had Curse Rika.
You said Yuta was sent to Africa after the Goodwill Event. That's technically true, but also understating it.
TL;DR I'm being pedantic
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People overstate how much Blue matters for Gojo's physicals
Giannysmag
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fr man was boxing with 20F Sukuna without his CT while constantly getting cut by shrine
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nah....also i have no idea when or how you can debunk an event that happened but i'll take your word for it, ig the universal kratos can be harmed by arrows and falling debris
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i loved that part
bro was tanking his attacks and literally called them mid, it was funny as hell
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Listen, I'm all for cutting down on the stupid shit on the GoW pages
But can we not bring back literal reddit powerscaling talking points? Shit is embarrassing
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i have no idea what arguments you're talking about for i have never been to reddit nor even installed it, all i know is that people clown on it, what's inside the mytical app, i legitimately have no idea
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Like, ya all can say that Kratos isnt Low 1-C, 2-C, 3-A and so on
But "he is damaged by arrows and dies by falling" is dumb. The man literally killed a Titan with hundred of meters and lift the world
But "he is damaged by arrows and dies by falling" is dumb. The man literally killed a Titan with hundred of meters and lift the world
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i mean yeah but it still kinda happened, more times than once, so i'm not exactly wrong
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Did that guy create an album full of whatever anti feats he could he his hands on?
If anything the motivation to do that is quite something.
If anything the motivation to do that is quite something.
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Its wrong to use as a antifeat cuz otherwise you would making a insane claim of Kratos being Peak Human at best
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Idk why you'd think this is an appropriate argument to make in a fictional setting. In any piece of fiction when a characters jumps several tiers in power we don't bring up how hard it is to grow in strength in real life, we don't make this analogy for Dragon Ball, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, 7 Deadly Sins, Black Clover, My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, etc., so why would we start using it for Jujutsu Kaisen?
"Not sure if it counts as serious, but he once applied Limitless cursed technique to striking me"
"If by seriously punched you mean taken as a blow from his Limitless technique, then I have"
"本気でっていうか無下限呪術を応用した打撃ってことならあります" = "It's not that he was serious, but if you're asking if he's ever hit me using limitless cursed techniques, then yes."
Notice how in none of these Yuta is saying Gojo punched him with all his strength? Well it could be because Uraume, who has durability on par with characters like Yuta, was wounded so severely by Gojo's punch that they weren't fully healed even a month later. Or maybe it's because Gojo's punches can make Sukuna bleed, the same man who tanked Yuta's maximum techniques. Or maybe it's because Gojo's punches scale to Sukuna who could punch straight through characters like Choso, characters with enough CE reinforcement to fight alongside Yuta and Yuji.
Furthermore, in context, both Yuta and Hakari were incapacitated by this singular punch, so it's not at all comparable to Yuta being "hurt" by Ryu's punches in a prolonged exchange of blows.
Sukuna used cleave to kill him, doesn't mean Sukuna NEEDED cleave to kill him. Sukuna's initial dismantle was held back, as stated, and later in ch250 Sukuna says he needed an on-contact cut within reference to his level of suppression (evident by how he later killed Yuta with a regular dismantle once things got risky).
The statement doesn't say this. It was rumoured Ryu had the greatest output recorded (Sukuna's was never recorded, it's stated future sorcerers don't know his power) IN THAT REGION, and even then Kashimo doubts the rumours as true. So why should we take it at face value to say Ryu > Sukuna?
Why wouldn't Yuta train to increase his AP?
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you do know i can just flip the ball and say it's wrong to use his strongest feats because you will make him more superhuman than he actually is and i'd have just as solid an argument as yours right?
like idk what's people's problems with saying it's dumb to use those, call them outliers, call the events themselvs stupid, but the still happened, just as kratos killed a titan and lifted worlds, he got harmed by arrows a rock falling debris and a bear, me stating what happened isn't dumb, it's just the truth
how that affects your powerscaling of him doesn't really matter because all this implies is the series is inconsistent
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Even worse, a comicviner
