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Besides Yuji, has any other character hit a Maximum Black Flash?
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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EldemadeDityjon
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It's technically impossible to use that so no. Yuji was lucky lol
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Alucard (Hellsing) vs Mahoraga (JJK) [0-0-0]
This is Pre-Schrodinger Alucard and High 7-C Mahoraga being used here, speed is equalized and the fight takes place in London. Alucard : Mahoraga : Incon :
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Maximum black flash exists?
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I'm not entirely sure either since the same reasoning can apply to Yorozu's 3-A Perfect Sphere. I believe it's the hax nature of these attacks and our strict standards that keep them from scaling to others.
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I don't know; it might be referring to Yuji's final BF on Mahito or the one he performed on Sukuna in the last chapter
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Probably
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As in a Black Flash with Maximum CE output.
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I wouldn't say it's impossible, just even harder to do than a normal Black Flash.
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To the best of my knowledge, no. If what Yuji was thinking about in his final fight w/Mahito true, then it's technically possible but we don't have any definitive confirmation on any other black flash being at maximum output. And it makes sense as it sounds like an incredibly risky move unless you have a level of efficiency as Gojo, Sukuna or even Yuji has shown to even try to perform at such a high level.
EldemadeDityjon
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It's technically near impossible because BF is dependent on Luck
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Is that even possible? Black flash alone is hard to land idk about that
Guacamolefletcher
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Because Gojo being the “strongest sorcerer” isn’t about physical strength. He doesn’t have the highest AP in the verse inherently based on the title, but rather, it means he’s the best/most complete sorcerer for any situation.
We see this with Yuta, where he’s physically weaker than Jackpot Hakari but he’s considered #2 in what Gojo is #1. Gojo is just a very capable sorcerer, but he’s not the best in every way. He would lose to Miguel close range without cursed techniques, for example, and based on his feats it’s clear he’s a tier 7 weakling. He would die to a real black hole, but he would beat Yuki and Kenjaku in a fight every time, because he’s the best.
Nah. The verse will stay not very much faster than sound
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Yuki made the black hole with her stomach split in two (i.e. the generation of CE stopped) so her DE should be above is all imma say
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Why does that matter with how you control your ce? That's just soul knowledge and proficiency. If this were true then he would never be able to manifest a open domain which requires high skill. So his knowledge isn't gone or his skill. He wouldn't even be able to use rct so casually even as 2F. It doesn't make sense to me.
Ooh, I misunderstood you then. Yeah they are absolutely wrong then. Give Sukuna the same ce reserve of anybody here bar gojo, and he's clapping them. He'll always be superior.
? That doesn't make much sense to me. Gojo doing a BF for example was his maximum ce output. so wdym?
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He doesn't lose to Miguel. sorry dude.
"tier 7 weakling" huh? are you comparing him to somebody else here or something?
Yeah he would blitz and one shot Kenjaku and Yuki to a blood mist casually.
Guacamolefletcher
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The amount of juryōku you can produce doesn’t correlate to this specific cursed techniques effect on creating virtual mass. As for:
No? Baseless. There is no connection here. It’d be the most useful thing for her to use, yes, but at the same time this suicide move which far surpasses the entire tier 7 verse doesn’t correlate to anything else’s AP.
Gojo is still tier 7, there are no feats in the manga that goes above and thinking he’s above tier 7 is inherently motivated reasoning and wank based on ulterior motives
He literally stated he loses to Miguel no CE in point movement. Yuki with Bombaye is punching through Gojo.
Guacamolefletcher
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I like how we’re gonna scale her Shinjuku showdown self above her previous self, but it’s accepted that the peak of what Maki can achieve is Toji.
It’s accepted Toji = perfected Maki, aka Maki at her best possible, which is why she caps at Toji
Far younger? That conversation happened literally in the one month timeskip. Also FYM “far younger”? It’s adult Gojo, same Gojo that fights Sukuna. Gojo reached his peak since before he went into the prison realm, and this is stated
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Well, Yuji separated his normal Black Flashes from a Black Flash with Maximum output, so I'm wondering who else in the story has hit a Maximum Black Flash (Black Flash with Maximum output).
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Maki won't scale to anything though?
It's basically like this
Maki can react to Mach 3 Naoya and beat the crap out of him
Sukuna could blitz Maki
Sukuna is faster than mach 3 Naoya
Yuta scales to Sukuna
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So far, the only thing that's been confirmed to be impossible for a Black Flash is that it can ever be performed at will. It's just highly improbable to achieve any Black Flash b/c of the timing and numerous other factors, some that you can only take into account but can't control. It's also implied that there are some other factors/conditions that no one knows needed to perform a Black Flash.
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Yuji did it, so it should be possible, just that the likelihood of someone landing it would be even lower than a normal Black Flash.
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Yuki, with only remnant's of her original CE reserves, is able to not only produce a black hole but also then use her CE to contain the black hole until it dissipates (either that or you think Tengen's barrier was strong enough to do so, which is even better given Yuki's base punches can destroy them). So the black hole by far has a level of CE output which isn't taxing on her full reserves, and yet a single use of domain requires so much output she can go from 100% to fully burnt out, unable to even use her CT anymore. Therefore, her domain has greater output than the black hole.
Now you can say her domain output simply doesn't scale to anyone either, with Kenjaku even saying her domain alone must be potent enough to make her special grade despite having a CT that's not conducive to its requirements, but her domain is definitely underrated.
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Sukuna was either holding back prior to blitzing Maki or he has some high speed movement technique and hence he “blitzed” maki when his combat speed isn’t all that. Yuta is another subsonic character, lol, he can’t normally even do much better than Yuki (almost beat Kenjaku) even after the “month timeskip insane amp”
This is consistent because Yuta is still less durable than Ryu, and that same Yuta can’t even blitz post-Shibuya Yuji terribly, and finds him a hard fight
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Nothing suggests that lmfao
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"Yuta is another subsonic character" you're genuinely a secondary of the series there's no way you think this
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Yuta is not much stronger than he was before, and before his speed wasn’t as big of an issue as Naoya Zen’in, the person relative to the fastest Sorcerer™ Naobito Zen’in and faster than the physically gifted heavenly restriction user Maki Zen’in, who is equal to Toji and still slower than Naoya Zen’in
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you wouldn't be able to ever prove any of these connecting links
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So Yuji is just that guy.... but Higuruma, the guy talented as Gojo isn't? That's cope. And yeah RCT is hard to come by, for your average sorcerer, Higuruma is a sorcerer talented as Gojo. Yuji didn't need a life or death situation to do RCT, he trained in a month to do it. Why can't Higuruma? I don't know why you say evolving your ct or lethal domains is rare, we aren't talking about your average sorcerer, we're talking about a hyped up genius sorcerer who learned barrier techs in 12 days and a domain and got to first grade standard with no external training.
ISOH is good against any ct, what are you talking about? It's just random SSK is what Mai decided on instead of the weapon to nullifies ct.
Sukuna experienced it one time and figured it out. It's definitely got to do with talent, also this is what I'm talking about anyway. Gojo knows the contours of the soul too, he can distinguish between souls within ones body, why didn't they think Gojo should learn how to attack the soul when that was the very idea they had with Yuji? Shit Yuta even cursed Rika's soul, they both have soul feats, it's not absurd they could learn to attack to soul.
Guacamolefletcher
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Maki is equal to Toji while fighting and losing to Naoya Zen’in because he’s too fast, he moves at the speed of sound, and Maki is known for her insane speed. She can use that insane speed to keep up with 15 Finger Sukuna who is a god tier of the verse
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What feats prove him higher?
Guacamolefletcher
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He’s gonna say that Maki blitzed Mach 1 Naoya or something, and let herself get hit or that the statements of her becoming = to Toji after using her full HR are inconsistent / DOTA
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Lol. now we think her techniques outside of her own domain is above the ones done in domain huh.
nice try on painting people as bad from the get to go
? No it happened after the event of vol 0, where Yuta went to Africa with Miguel. Watch the end of vol 0 movie. The manga continues from there.
No, the raws and the context imply that this is a talk about pure skills. Even Lightning confirms this, who did a deeper research on what Gege was trying to convey.
Yuki isn't doing anything to gojo wtf. Bombaye is just tickling gojo
When?
Sure, prove it.
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Ok, prove all of these. We can debate about this.
Maki hadn't even been fully realized yet by that time, so what are you talking about.
"Keep up" the keep up in question is with a heavily nerfed in output Sukuna
troll level argument. next.
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Cool, I will worry about scaling later
but for now you conceded that current Sukuna can operate on a faster speed than Naoya
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I'm still under the camp that Maki achieved Toji's level in the Culling Games but that doesn't mean she peaked there
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how many people think Maki reaching enlightenment purely just gives precog and no speed increase in reaction speed 
I can count two here already. Ik more are lurking.
I can count two here already. Ik more are lurking.
