Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Guacamolefletcher]

It's really not. Sukuna at any point during this fight has had a way out if he ever needed it

Sukuna after getting decapitated by Maki if she just aimed up:

 

[Woomica]

Sukuna after getting decapitated by Maki if she just aimed up:

maki if she went for the head:
Same shit but sounds cooler no?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

maki if she went for the head:
Same shit but sounds cooler no?

Yeah no literally the same shit but cooler. The level of plot induced stupidity just to save Megumi is ******* stupid. I’m ngl, put any of my friends vs the literal population of a country… I’m picking the country (or ******* whole world at that)

They have gotta be one of the dumbest main casts

 

[Woomica]

Yeah no literally the same shit but cooler. The level of plot induced stupidity just to save Megumi is ******* stupid. I’m ngl, put any of my friends vs the literal population of a country… I’m picking the country (or ******* whole world at that)

They have gotta be one of the dumbest main casts

PIS in jjk reached its peak since chapter 36

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

what their full potential is - that's his literal purpose for living

No? He killed Higuruma before he became Gojo level, unless the statement of “talent equal to Gojo” is using the kanji for “ability/talent” which means something you have at the moment, and they mean skill on Gojo’s level / ability to learn Jujutsu

 

[Duedate8898]

Yeah no literally the same shit but cooler. The level of plot induced stupidity just to save Megumi is ******* stupid. I’m ngl, put any of my friends vs the literal population of a country… I’m picking the country (or ******* whole world at that)

They have gotta be one of the dumbest main casts

Have you never read a shonen before? One Piece, Naruto, Black Clover, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, etc. Like trying to save your friend from insane odds with insane risk isn't anything new. Nor is JJk particularly offensive in this measure.

 

[YukaSama4]

Yeah they should just kill Sukuna
Maki should've aimed for the neck
And idk what Hana meant but Yuta didn't target the CT with JL because CTs are connected to flesh

It's so annoying atm

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah no literally the same shit but cooler. The level of plot induced stupidity just to save Megumi is ******* stupid. I’m ngl, put any of my friends vs the literal population of a country… I’m picking the country (or ******* whole world at that)

They have gotta be one of the dumbest main casts

You’d pick a country of ******* monkeys with their inadequate, sub-human, fragile, smelly ugly bodies and weak mindset over your sorcerer brethren? You’re just like them. You can die with those monkeys then.

 

[Arkenis]

Like trying to save your friend from insane odds with insane risk isn't anything new.

This comes to mind

 

[YukaSama4]

Have you never read a shonen before? One Piece, Naruto, Black Clover, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, etc. Like trying to save your friend from insane odds with insane risk isn't anything new. Nor is JJk particularly offensive in this measure.

Yeah but the thing is that whenever it's a real threat on Sukuna, the cast will suddenly try to take that risky move and when they fail, you have another character saying oh Sukuna isn't trying
It's annoying atm
Gojo was fighting to kill because he knew that when Yuji died before, Sukuna managed to come back, and yet he failed to kill Meguna and that was ******* Gojo
It's really arrogant and annoying move

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah but the thing is that whenever it's a real threat on Sukuna, the cast will suddenly try to take that risky move and when they fail, you have another character saying oh Sukuna isn't trying
It's annoying atm
Gojo was fighting to kill because he knew that when Yuji died before, Sukuna managed to come back, and yet he failed to kill Meguna and that was ******* Gojo
It's really arrogant and annoying move

At this point I’d be fine with an asspull to kill Sukuna.

 

[Rosa]

Black Flash is an ability gained from trying harder though

literally never stated

Sukuna after getting decapitated by Maki if she just aimed up:

That was explicitly a sneak attack so, idk how you think this demonstrates an instance of them pushing Sukuna into a corner via their own relativity to him

No? He killed Higuruma before he became Gojo level, unless the statement of “talent equal to Gojo” is using the kanji for “ability/talent” which means something you have at the moment, and they mean skill on Gojo’s level / ability to learn Jujutsu

Sukuna acknowledged Higuruma for manipulating cursed energy with equal efficiency as Sukuna had during his fight with Gojo, saw the absolute peak of his cursed technique, and then pushed Higuruma to his max before killing him off, and even then Sukuna chastises himself and wonders if maybe he killed him too soon. This does not go against my point at all.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Have you never read a shonen before? One Piece, Naruto, Black Clover, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, etc. Like trying to save your friend from insane odds with insane risk isn't anything new. Nor is JJk particularly offensive in this measure.

Moreover, the plan was made before Sukuna got the keys to the merger and said he wanted to start it for fun, which requires him killing everyone, so initially the risk wasn't as high as it was

 

[Duedate8898]

Yeah but the thing is that whenever it's a real threat on Sukuna, the cast will suddenly try to take that risky move and when they fail, you have another character saying oh Sukuna isn't trying
It's annoying atm
Gojo was fighting to kill because he knew that when Yuji died before, Sukuna managed to come back, and yet he failed to kill Meguna and that was ******* Gojo
It's really arrogant and annoying move

The cast isn't really taking risky moves though. They're doing the best they can. Like Higurama with the executioner's sword, they don't know if they kills sukuna and leaves megumi alive but they accept either outcome clearly. Then when Yuji and Yuta do their whole soul thing, they're not just setting up to free megumi but actively lowering Sukuna's output and control therefore making it easier to kill him if needed. The only real risky thing is Maki going for Sukuna's heart and the thing is, she didn't get an update that Megumi isn't home at the moment so she's just sticking to the same plan as before.

None of this is them being stupid, no one is pulling their punches right now or taking risky moves besides the fact they're fighting Sukuna

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I'm feelin a little goofy

Dr. White approves this tier list. Stay tuned for pt.2.

 

[YukaSama4]

The cast isn't really taking risky moves though. They're doing the best they can. Like Higurama with the executioner's sword, they don't know if they kills sukuna and leaves megumi alive but they accept either outcome clearly. Then when Yuji and Yuta do their whole soul thing, they're not just setting up to free megumi but actively lowering Sukuna's output and control therefore making it easier to kill him if needed. The only real risky thing is Maki going for Sukuna's heart and the thing is, she didn't get an update that Megumi isn't home at the moment so she's just sticking to the same plan as before.

None of this is them being stupid, no one is pulling their punches right now or taking risky moves besides the fact they're fighting Sukuna

Yuta arrived late when Sukuna's RCT output got better and he admitted that he shouldve stayed and hes just putting excuses and that Maki could've killed Kenjaku the way he did
If he jumped Sukuna with Higuruma and Yuji they would've probably succeeded

Maki got 2 chances to finish Sukuna but nah she chose to cut his hand off and stab his heart

And while it wasn't during this arc, but Hana also once did a stupid move just to save Megumi


Next Yuji will also do something like that and then the narrator will repeat the same "oh did you know that Sukuna isn't trying?" line again

Instead of writing stupid decisions for the good side, just make Sukuna win by going all out, at this point its really annoying

 

[Duedate8898]

Yuta arrived late when Sukuna's RCT output got better and he admitted that he shouldve stayed and hes just putting excuses and that Maki could've killed Kenjaku the way he did
If he jumped Sukuna with Higuruma and Yuji they would've probably succeeded

So Yuta going to handle Kenjaku, the other big threat that's them taking a stupid risk? Okay

Maki got 2 chances to finish Sukuna but nah she chose to cut his hand off and stab his heart

Again, heart stabbing, no one updated her on Megumi's status and taking a hit where you can get it isn't the same as taking a risk. She's just hurting him however she can and taking Sukuna's hand is a pretty good idea when the man has world cutting slashes so she isn't being dumb there either.

And while it wasn't during this arc, but Hana also once did a stupid move just to save Megumi

Yeah, Hana made a mistake. Whoop de do, she's a fallible human. People make mistakes, and that can have terrible consequences, it's almost like that's a consistent theme in JJK.

Next Yuji will also do something like that and then the narrator will repeat the same "oh did you know that Sukuna isn't trying?" line again

Instead of writing stupid decisions for the good side, just make Sukuna win by going all out, at this point its really annoying

And at this point you're complaining about Sukuna being consistent in his characterization while also ignoring the story itself already making it clear he is ramping it back up. He's hit three blackflashes, that's not holding back at this point.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

What’s the current accepted black flash speed we have?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Black Flash doesn’t have a speed

 

[Arkenis]

Yuta arrived late when Sukuna's RCT output got better and he admitted that he shouldve stayed and hes just putting excuses and that Maki could've killed Kenjaku the way he did
If he jumped Sukuna with Higuruma and Yuji they would've probably succeeded

Maki got 2 chances to finish Sukuna but nah she chose to cut his hand off and stab his heart

And while it wasn't during this arc, but Hana also once did a stupid move just to save Megumi


Next Yuji will also do something like that and then the narrator will repeat the same "oh did you know that Sukuna isn't trying?" line again

Instead of writing stupid decisions for the good side, just make Sukuna win by going all out, at this point its really annoying

Nah dude just wait Gege cooking (its been 20 chapters since Gojo died and Sukuna is regaining his rct and has hit three BF, several powerful sorcerers have been lost, they’ve now progressed to using super duper side characters, Sukuna has shown the ability to use rct on his soul, Yuji has rct and can’t do it properly, we still don’t know what Yuji’s arms are for, Maki’s become effectively useless)

But yeah Gege’s got something planned (Sukuna’s now the one doing the merger, something that’s been teased since early 200s and known since beginning of culling games, Kenjaku is dead, Megumi’s given up life, Yuji’s got soul damage punches now but Sukuna has: fire arrow, black flash, rct, cleave, dismantle, simple domain, hwb, world slash, strong dismantle, four arms, an extra mouth, and oh yeah Gege’s writing the manga and he LOVES Sukuna)

I hope any future manga author looks at JJK and understands they need assistants

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Black Flash doesn’t have a speed

I was curious since didn’t gojo say in the latest chapter if black flash was just the definition of “insert the definition given when Yuji said it cause I forgot” then he’d be able to use it at will

 

[Arkenis]

literally never stated

Read the manga

 

[Duedate8898]

I was curious since didn’t gojo say in the latest chapter if black flash was just the definition of “insert the definition given when Yuji said it cause I forgot” then he’d be able to use it at will

While we know for sure now that Gojo has no issue with meeting the condition of timing a black flash the implications that has for his speed hasn't been decided yet.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

While we know for sure now that Gojo has no issue with meeting the condition of timing a black flash the implications that has for his speed hasn't been decided yet.

Ah okay, but couldn’t we just calc the speed of black flash since there is a rule capping the speed of jjk characters at black flash speed, bit weird if there isn’t a number for it to cap at

 

[Arkenis]

Ah okay, but couldn’t we just calc the speed of black flash since there is a rule capping the speed of jjk characters at black flash speed, bit weird if there isn’t a number for it to cap at

There is no calcing the speed of Bf. It’s performed in a certain timeframe but nothing is really done in that time. We could calc a feat had someone done something in the timeframe of bf

 

[Duedate8898]

Ah okay, but couldn’t we just calc the speed of black flash since there is a rule capping the speed of jjk characters at black flash speed, bit weird if there isn’t a number for it to cap at

That rule just got repealed

 

[Rosa]

Read the manga

nice attempt at an argument

 

[YukaSama4]

So Yuta going to handle Kenjaku, the other big threat that's them taking a stupid risk? Okay

Yes because Yuta would've been much useful against Sukuna if he played a role in the excutioner sword plan
I mean idk why you would justify that when Yuta himself admitted that it was a mistake

He admitted that Maki could've dealt with Kenjaku, he shouldve stayed, the situation now is Sukuna's output is better and he's closer to get his domain was his fault

Again, heart stabbing, no one updated her on Megumi's status and taking a hit where you can get it isn't the same as taking a risk. She's just hurting him however she can and taking Sukuna's hand is a pretty good idea when the man has world cutting slashes so she isn't being dumb there eieither.

She should've just went straight to kill him, taking his hand isnt good enough when you could've just attacked his neck, the same with his heart, again they are trying to corner Sukuna in order to make him incapable of fighting to bring back Megumi,

And that's very risky, they were creating plans thinking how to save Megumi and how they will jump Sukuna when Gojo loses, but on the way they forgot that its the guy who might defeat Gojo himself

Yeah, Hana made a mistake. Whoop de do, she's a fallible human. People make mistakes, and that can have terrible consequences, it's almost like that's a consistent theme in JJK.

You're not getting the point, it's not just Hana, but also Yuta and Maki could've possibly killed Sukuna but chose to make other decisions that turned out to be wrong

And at this point you're complaining about Sukuna being consistent in his characterization

I'm not? Sukuna not going all out isn't what I'm complaining about
I'm complaining about the way the good side are making stupid decisions and getting beaten up for that when they could've done better and could've pushed Sukuna far more than that, while the narrative is still repeating that Sukuna isn't interested/ trying just to hype him more

If they hadn't done so, Sukuna mightve already gone all out

while also ignoring the story itself already making it clear he is ramping it back up. He's hit three blackflashes, that's not holding back at this point.

He is still holding back though lol, just because he's doing bfs doesn't mean he is going all out, he still has alot more to use (he stopped using RCT, he still has the fire arrow and who knows what he is still hiding even Gege in the fanbook said sth.like his CT has at least 2 applications, so he might have more than the fire arrow)

 

[Arkenis]

Yes because Yuta would've been much useful against Sukuna if he played a role in the excutioner sword plan
I mean idk why you would justify that when Yuta himself admitted that it was a mistake

Idk if you purposely did this, but Yuta says why Maki wouldn’t have been good

 

[YukaSama4]

Idk if you purposely did this, but Yuta says why Maki wouldn’t have been good

I did because after that he said "I'm just making excuses, I just wanted to kill Kenjaku myself"

So again, he did that not because "well Maki can't do the job" but because he wanted to be the one to kill Kenjaku, he was putting excuses to justify this

 

[Arkenis]

I did because after that he said "I'm just making excuses, I just wanted to kill Kenjaku myself"

So again, he did that not because "well Maki can't do the job" but because he wanted to be the one to kill Kenjaku, he was putting excuses to justify this

Excuses can still be valid you understand that right? He obviously feels regretful but what he said still holds true. Maki’s only one person with two arms and a sword, if millions of curses were released she wouldn’t be capable of dealing with them all to prevent civilians from dying like Rika can.

 

[Duedate8898]

Yes because Yuta would've been much useful against Sukuna if he played a role in the excutioner sword plan
I mean idk why you would justify that when Yuta himself admitted that it was a mistake

He admitted that Maki could've dealt with Kenjaku, he shouldve stayed, the situation now is Sukuna's output is better and he's closer to get was his fault

Yuta is the type of person who blames himself whenever something goes wrong, of course he thinks he's at fault for Higurama's death. However he also mentions how Maki would've struggled with all of those released curse spirits. You know the very next page after that first one you posted, the one you left out for some reason. It's like defeating Kenjaku and Sukuna is a multi-facited problem for a number of reasons which doesn't have easy solutions to it no matter what they group chooses to do.

She should've just went straight to kill him, taking his hand isnt good enough when you could've just attacked his neck, the same with his heart, again they are trying to corner Sukuna in order to make him incapable of fighting to bring back Megumi,

And that's very risky, they were creating plans thinking how to save Megumi and how they will jump Sukuna when Gojo loses, but on the way they forgot that its the guy who might defeat Gojo himself

They didn't forget that at all, they just want to save Megumi regardless whether or not Gojo loses. They don't want to kill Megumi, that's not them suffering from PIS that's them not wanting to kill a friend. Not to mention, that everything they've done so far isn't just helping in saving Megumi but also in weakening Sukuna. It's not like they're not doing all they can to stack the deck in their favor, by delimbing him, attempting to remove his curse techinque and removing his curse tool, and lowering his CE output by messing with his soul bond and forcing him to heal. This isn't being risky

You're not getting the point, it's not just Hana, but also Yuta and Maki could've possibly killed Sukuna but chose to make other decisions that turned out to be wrong

And you seem to not get the point that of the three so far, only Hana was really making decisions which was just a wrong one. Yuta removed Kenjaku from the field, who was an active threat to everyone but Sukuna in the culling games that's not the wrong decision in any capacity. Maki stabbing Sukuna through the heart is still debilitating him right now and taken away his ability to do the World Cutting Slash that has had everyone worried. Sure she hasn't killed him, but killing Sukuna isn't any task for any of them.

I'm not? Sukuna not going all out isn't what I'm complaining about
I'm complaining about the way the good side are making stupid decisions and getting beaten up for that when they could've done better and could've pushed Sukuna far more than that, while the narrative is still repeating that Sukuna isn't interested/ trying just to hype him more

You clearly aren't paying attention if you think they're making "stupid decisions".

 

[Rosa]

I don't think it's stupid or "plot induced stupidity" or bad writing for a group of people to desire so intensely to save their friend, especially when the story has always had such a strong emphasis and explorations into the humanity of others, love and its many forms, and how relationships shape people - especially for our main character Yuji. This fight perfectly encapsulates the malicious greed of Sukuna contrasting with the unbreakable selflessness of Yuji, anyone who can't see that and just sees the powerscaling aspects never really understood these characters.

 

[YukaSama4]

Excuses can still be valid you understand that right? He obviously feels regretful but what he said still holds true. Maki’s only one person with two arms and a sword, if millions of curses were released she wouldn’t be capable of dealing with them all to prevent civilians from dying like Rika can.

Who cares about civilians when if Sukuna wins, he can do far more bad things

Killing Sukuna should've been the top priority instead of caring about Megumi or civilians, that's my whole point

And Yuta himself decided to drop these excuses and admitted that its his fault so I don't really understand why you will defend that position

Yuta is the type of person who blames himself whenever something goes wrong, of course he thinks he's at fault for Higurama's death.

He isn't wrong here though, if he activated his domain while Higuruma has the sword + with Yuji's punches, that would've been too much on Sukuna to handle and they would've pushed him to the limit

However he also mentions how Maki would've struggled with all of those released curse spirits. You know the very next page after that first one you posted, the one you left out for some reason.

I didn't leave it because of bad intents, I already answered Arkenis regarding this

I did because after that he said "I'm just making excuses, I just wanted to kill Kenjaku myself"

So again, he did that not because "well Maki can't do the job" but because he wanted to be the one to kill Kenjaku, he was putting excuses to justify this

In fact I mentioned previously that he was making excuses, and I was referring to that line about the curses going on a rampage after killing Kenny

It's like defeating Kenjaku and Sukuna is a multi-facited problem for a number of reasons which doesn't have easy solutions to it no matter what they group chooses to do.

Sure
If Maki killed Kenny, the curses would've killed many civilians, Yuta will use his domain and seal Sukuna's 2 hands and jump him with Yuji and Higu which would've been a plan that has the highest winning probability

If Yuta killed Kenny, Sukuna will get stronger during that process and will destroy the sword of excutioner's plan, and Yuta will have to fight him with Yuji (a plan that clearly failed)

They didn't forget that at all, they just want to save Megumi regardless whether or not Gojo loses. They don't want to kill Megumi, that's not them suffering from PIS that's them not wanting to kill a friend. Not to mention, that everything they've done so far isn't just helping in saving Megumi but also in weakening Sukuna. It's not like they're not doing all they can to stack the deck in their favor, by delimbing him, attempting to remove his curse techinque and removing his curse tool, and lowering his CE output by messing with his soul bond and forcing him to heal. This isn't being risky

I already brought the scan where Maki said they need to weaken him to save Megumi

So while they are doing all that, they are doing it just to save Megumi

A demon (Sukuna) took on your friend (Megumi( and defeated mankind's strongest armies (Gojo), and hes basically going to **** up everyone once he takes over the world

I think realistically if someone had the chance to finish off that demon, they would do that even if it killed their friend, unless that person was too selfish/emotional honestly lol

And you seem to not get the point that of the three so far, only Hana was really making decisions which was just a wrong one. Yuta removed Kenjaku from the field, who was an active threat to everyone but Sukuna in the culling games that's not the wrong decision in any capacity.

But as its already stated, Maki could've killed Kenjaku

Maki stabbing Sukuna through the heart is still debilitating him right now and taken away his ability to do the World Cutting Slash that has had everyone worried. Sure she hasn't killed him, but killing Sukuna isn't any task for any of them.

I'm not saying she didn't do anything so that's not addressing my point, I'm saying she should've killed Sukuna when she had the chance, but she didnt, and now that Sukuna is getting his output back and getting stronger
They might all die just because they wasted these chances because they wanted to save Megumi which is a stupid decision imo

And It would've been much better if it was "they failed to kill him no matter how they tried" instead of "they didn't kill him because that's not their task, but the mc's task"

You clearly aren't paying attention if you think they're making "stupid decisions

I mean, at this point its just a difference of perspectives so I will agree to disagree

 

[Arkenis]

Who cares about civilians when if Sukuna wins, he can do far more bad things

Killing Sukuna should've been the top priority instead of caring about Megumi or civilians, that's my whole point

And Yuta himself decided to drop these excuses and admitted that its his fault so I don't really understand why you will defend that position

Yuta cares.... And I already said excuses can still be valid.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yes we are really saying Maho a bum. Jogo and Toji could tank it but Gojo's confident in one shotting with red.

Jogoat is just built different lol

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Jogo built like a Himalayan grandpa

 

[YukaSama4]

Even Kenjaku will have a hard time against Jogoat

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I see, I didn't include sneak attacks

Preach

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm feelin a little goofy

LMAO