Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Rutæhh]

Kusakabe

watch him still be alive by the end of the series

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Scans never states physical boost either way. It states users attributes which is also has meaning of features/ abilities

nah bro just used English dictionary

you're ignoring the context of what gojo said which is what the fanbook is attributing it to. "stats buff like in video games"

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Sukuna never had any intention of Killing Gojo until he gains a new technique

ye that guy was right. you live in headcanon and thrive in headcanon. quit jjk scaling

 

[SuperStar]

Average jjk argument

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

ye that guy was right. you live in headcanon and thrive in headcanon. quit jjk scaling

Everyone knows who lives in headcanon when comes to JJK.
Tell me who was making headcanon with Buddhism me or you? I guess that was me . I guess i was the one who went to RVT for that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

watch him still be alive by the end of the series

I remember Gege saying something about him being some kind of narrative aspect. Like he is the person Gege is trying to use to move the plot for some extent. He might live NGL. Except for Gojo winning statement from him other things he did acts for narrative purpose. Without him we wouldn't know how Cleave and dismantle functions and he is kinda used by Gege to give us explanation for domains and barriers.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gege should drop atleast small amount of Backstory regarding Heian Era

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Remember when Anime games weren't afraid of Manga content

 

[M3X_2.0]

I’ll make Fire Arrow 8-B and suddenly no one wants to scale it to characters anymore

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I’ll make Fire Arrow 8-B and suddenly no one wants to scale it to characters anymore

@Arnoldstone18 get him he is nuking your calculation

 

[M3X_2.0]

His calc is wrong tho

 

[JnSteHar002]

? why would a non maximum ct technique scale above apex jujutsu. both attacks are straight forward in that their main offense is damage. (Fire arrow and Cleave and dismantle) and domain expansion puts these latter two at the peak. that's how the increase gets.

EXPANSION (展開 - tenkai)

The culmination of a jujutsu battle by expanding a domain.

Domain expansion… an innate domain imbued with a cursed technique, it is the act of embodying with cursed energy. After deployment, the cursed technique will have a sure-hit effect, and the user’s attributes also increase. It is called the “culmination of a jujutsu battle” because it can be said that a domain expansion = the end.

However, it consumes an enormous amount of cursed energy, so there are some disadvantages such as difficulty in using a technique after deployment.
its also why domain expansions easily shatter Simple Domains, with the reasoning being their output being too strong, too high. there's a hierarchy of ranking for these abilities in jujutsu level. it goes
Domain Expansion > Maximum CT > Any other ability in one's arsenal that isn't considered to be at such level of jujutsu.

MAXIMUM (極ノ番 - goku no ban)

Sorcerers fundamentally only have one type of innate technique. However, every technique can be expanded on through creativity, giving sorcerers their own original moves. With inherited techniques, sorcerers of the past pass on the original moves they create. Within all that, barring Domain Expansion, every technique has an ultimate move called the Maximum. Additionally, moves that are not Maximum that use the maximum output of curse energy are called Stack (載 - sai).
then there's this
THE INNATE DOMAIN (生得領域 - shōtoku ryōiki) ESTABLISHES THE FOUNDATION OF A TECHNIQUE — The "innate domain" is the space that we are born with, which can be called a "mental landscape" that embodies our inner heart. This includes not only sorcerers, but also non-sorcerers.
which all in all means your ct is way above any other jujutsu ability in your arsenal including maximum. or maximum output. as long as its in your own "home" (innate domain) which is like the prime environment for your techniques

the reason why i think domain > fire arrow is only in specific related to the damage they cause, not fire or temperature as cleave dismantle don't have these attributes but fire arrow and cleave&dismantle have a common main attribute is that they cause damage through the power they have. the second reasoning is that Gojo's first domain battle where he had his infinity down, or his second domain battle where he also had his infinity down, did not prompt Sukuna to ever pull up the fire arrow on gojo when he could and had the opportunity to do so, more so in the second domain battle where gojo lost. This is the gojo that he's trying to kill and is blatantly trying to do so. And he very well can use it when it is imbued into his domain.

[SUKUNA’S TECHNIQUE
Released by the King of Curses himself, it’s a slashing hellfire of slaughter.

Cursed techniques commonly only have one characteristic, but Sukuna’s technique has been confirmed to have at least two - slashing and flames - which makes it exceptionally powerful. Once it’s activated, it will destroy the enemy in an instant, tearing them apart and burning them down to their bone marrow.
解 - Kai (Dismantle), 捌 - Hachi (Cleave), ■ (?)

Sukuna’s slashing technique is Dismantle, which he uses normally, and the other is Cleave, which is able to be adjusted to the amount of cursed energy and strength of his opponent. When he releases the flames, Sukuna says “Open” (fugue)

Panel caption: It turns out that the three types of attacks have their own uses. Sukuna combines them depending on the situation in order to cleverly beat his opponent.]

Gojo and the gang already knows about the flames too, (Kusakabe has no reason to not tell Gojo or the gang) yet Sukuna never used it, ever and took the riskier approach against Gojo... because he already tried to kill Gojo with his domain and it didn't work, so his only way is to get the adaptation going. If the fire arrow was indeed the one shot move which many think here, then he would have used it with no doubt. literally no reason for him to not do it. especially when it is domain amped now too. and it isn't a separate ct or whatever but part of his ct.





TLDR: if sukuna never used fire arrow despite having the opportunity and ability to do so then it's pretty telling that it ain't gonna kill gojo or be the deciding factor to his win, or be enough to incapacitate gojo for a moment in order to then kill him. which makes it consistent with the fact that fire arrow is below peak jujutsu (DE) as it should be.

Makes pretty good sense to me

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

His calc is wrong tho

Any guess where it should scale. I know it's gonna take time to calculate the feat but you have any guesses?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Any guess where it should scale. I know it's gonna take time to calculate the feat but you have any guesses?

It’s probably much higher than Low 7-B

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It’s probably much higher than Low 7-B

 

[Nierre]

Am I the only one who thinks Kusakabe & Higuruma almost has same facial design?

nah same here lmao

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

nah same here lmao

Lmao. I got confused few time while reading Gojo vs Sukuna fight. When I first read those chapters it was hard to tell difference between Kusakabe and Higuruma.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

His calc is wrong tho

 

[Arkenis]

TLDR: if sukuna never used fire arrow despite having the opportunity and ability to do so then it's pretty telling that it ain't gonna kill gojo or be the deciding factor to his win, or be enough to incapacitate gojo for a moment in order to then kill him. which makes it consistent with the fact that fire arrow is below peak jujutsu (DE) as it should be.

This doesn't prove its weaker. Your whole argument is based off interpretation of how everything went, not how it is. And Domains are the peak not due to ap, idk where that interpretation came from.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This doesn't prove its weaker. Your whole argument is based off interpretation of how everything went, not how it is. And Domains are the peak not due to ap, idk where that interpretation came from

I agree with you. It's his baseless assumptions to imply Users DE > Any technique user has.

Kenjaku implied Extension Technique are stronger than DE. Gojo's domain is hax based while AP wise HP Red and Blue does more damage. Jogoat meteor is same thing.

He was also wrong about Sukuna trying to kill Gojo before getting a new technique. Chapter 224 Sukuna talks about ripping Gojos scales/infinity instead of saying he would try to kill Gojo. In chapter 230 even after Gojo lost his domain Sukuna was looking for adapting to infinity despite his domain can bypass infinity with or without adaptation which already indicates he wasn't trying to kill him instead of trying to get new technique.

Gun's arguments is based on hasty generalization or false dichotomy fallacy, assuming that because Sukuna didn't use fire arrow in a particular situation, he is automatically implying that it wouldn't be effective or decisive in a different context against Gojo.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah Kenjaku is talking about the use of it in battle rather than its power inside, we see Domain attacks like Gojo already told us can be countered by you just using your ce to destroy them.
Makes no sense they'd be that powerful if the person not getting buffed by their own domain just scale to them. Like Nanami who couldn't even hurt Dagon is able to destroy his Shikigamis inside, or how Megumi's domain attacks were still getting destroyed by the fb.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It’s probably much higher than Low 7-B

Damn, tier 6 is real

 

[M3X_2.0]

Damn, tier 6 is real

 

[Arnoldstone18]

What’s wrong with my calc?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You

 

[JnSteHar002]

Damn, tier 6 is real

Gojo's getting Tier 6, Sukuna's getting Tier 6, Yuji's getting Tier 6, Maki's getting Tier 6, Yuta's getting Tier 6, Hakari's getting Tier 6,! Hell, Miwa's getting Tier 6. YOU'RE! ALL! GETTING! TIER 6!

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You

The level of irony in this single post transcends human understanding

 

[Arkenis]

Everyone when they see the new calc is only 2x stronger than Arnold's calc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

What’s wrong with my calc?

You used vaporization value for rock instead of concrete, like here. And more accurate volumes.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The level of irony in this single post transcends human understanding

Keep coping

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You used vaporization value for rock instead of concrete, like here. And more accurate volumes.

Okay.
That accurate volume better be based on some shit like measuring each building rather than averaging height of every building per block cuz these seem like changes I can easily make to the calc instead of making a whole new one.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'm making a new calc regardless of how big of a change it is

 

[Arnoldstone18]

 

[JnSteHar002]

Okay.
That accurate volume better be based on some shit like measuring each building rather than averaging height of every building per block cuz these seem like changes I can easily make to the calc instead of making a whole new one.

I'm making a new calc regardless of how big of a change it is

There was a calc that places Sukuna's durability (potentially AP as well) at 7-C for surviving his fire arrow. Would that be taken into account when making/redoing a new calc?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yes

 

[JnSteHar002]

Has some good notes on writing and powerscalling but I now just miss Nobara. I thought I was at piece w/it but the pain and disappointment has resurfaced

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Arkenis]

Crazy cuz all of them were/are getting pressed by past sorcerers. Two of them definitely dying at least