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You might have created the strongest 1A and High 1B character incidentally.
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Uh, no. He is very much baseline. I agreed to no higher than that.You might have created the strongest 1A and High 1B character incidentally.
You might have created the strongest 1A and High 1B character incidentally.
I see, even with the boundless difference between his Nirmakaya form and Dharmakaya form ?Uh, no. He is very much baseline. I agreed to no higher than that.
His Dharma based powers (haxes) are extremely potent.What did i miss? Why Sage said this:
.....Where did I or anyone else see or agree to this? You really can't just tack on stuff to an accepted conclusion and expect people to go with it. Never mind how 1-A was for Dharmakaya form or whatever his strongest form was.I see, even with the boundless difference between his Nirmakaya form and Dharmakaya form ?
It's an entirely different argument I briefly went over that I'm not planning on getting into until after I take a nap......Where did I or anyone else see or agree to this? You really can't just tack on stuff to an accepted conclusion and expect people to go with it. Never mind how 1-A was for Dharmakaya form or whatever his strongest form was.
Dharmakaya Wukong is Buddha's Dharmakaya, they're the same entity.Noice but we might need to discuss if whether Dharmakaya wukong is baseline 1A or above baseline 1A or infinitely above baseline 1A or far higher than that. Considering there are many statements that emphasize that the difference between the previous and the next are boundless.
I see, so it's basically the source of all incarnations of every Buddha. Which still in some sense means that it is basically a transcendental source?Dharmakaya Wukong is Buddha's Dharmakaya, they're the same entity.
Dharmakaya is the same for all Buddha. It's not a true form in the sense there's a bigger, better Buddha puppeting the manifestations. The Dharmakaya is like the Sun and each sunbeam is a Buddha.
No. It's not even something you "plug yourself into".I see, so it's basically the source of all incarnations of every Buddha. Which still in some sense means that it is basically some form of 'hivemind'
Oh course you can. Just use only the JTTW book. That's like saying you can't have a profile of Homer Hercules/Heracles because you can't separate him from greater European culture or something.? If we can't separate the fictional novel that is Journey To The West from "greater Chinese culture"
A Thousand Space-Time Continuums with Infinite Snapshots of themselves are being fit into a grain of sand of another Space-Time Continuum. Which would have Infinite Snapshots of itself and the Universes in it. Making each Universe above another, an infinitely higher Universe than the one below.Oh course you can. Just use only the JTTW book. That's like saying you can't have a profile of Homer Hercules/Heracles because you can't separate him from greater European culture or something.
I'm also still not really seeing much besides 2-A and theoretically 1-A for a few people.
This is why it's 2-A. They're not infinitely larger like with the Dark Tower scene. It's just a high end 2-A multiverse like with Johnny Test or Dungeons and Dragonsbeing fit into a grain of sand of another Space-Time Continuum
? Did you ignore that the boundless duality was also fitting alongside space time continuum in a grain of sand comrade?This is why it's 2-A. They're not infinitely larger like with the Dark Tower scene. It's just a high end 2-A multiverse like with Johnny Test or Dungeons and Dragons
Something acting as an object embedded in another timeline would mean it has uncountably infinite copies of itself within said higher timeline, which is equivalent to a qualitative jump like higher dimensions or layers of existence. Which is what the sand grains seem to do.This is why it's 2-A. They're not infinitely larger like with the Dark Tower scene. It's just a high end 2-A multiverse like with Johnny Test or Dungeons and Dragons
"Boundless duality" is not a thing we tier.? Did you ignore that the boundless duality was also fitting alongside space time continuum in a grain of sand comrade?
I thought there was a conclusion that duality boundlessly superior > the great way which controls the universe"Boundless duality" is not a thing we tier.
No. The Dharmakaya (or however that's spelled) sees the entirety of the world as unreality and emptiness and is stated to transcend and be unbound by it. Said world is a recursion of universes as tiny grains in higher universes and so on.I thought there was a conclusion that duality boundlessly superior > the great way which controls the universe
But they occupy the same physical space, ghe lower realms don't act different from the higher realms and they're aren't an infinite amount of them per universe. Just a bunch that then I recursive.Something acting as an object embedded in another timeline would mean it has uncountably infinite copies of itself within said higher timeline, which is equivalent to a qualitative jump like higher dimensions or layers of existence. Which is what the sand grains seem to do.
Probably, yes.We'll need Ultima's input, eh? To settle the doubts.
I believe this is the info to be evaluated, @Antvasima. You contacted him earlier as well.NIn the beginning, everything was obscure and indistinct, formless. All of this was called Chaos. When Pan Gu brought the Yin and Yang together The Universe was born.
Within this Universe, a single grain of sand can hold One Thousand Worlds, which is equivalent to The Universe. This begin's the ad Infinitum as all of those Universes would further contain a particle of sand, each holding another One Thousand Worlds. Along with them, every grain of sand also holds a Buddha's Realm also known as a Pure Land. Within such Pure Land's there are as many Worlds/Universes as Gange's sands. And each of these sands would also contain Universes and Pure Lands, creating two more ad Infinitum's. As the Yin-Yang represents all Dualities, the effects and substances of it are boundless.
That would be the High 1-B Cosmology.
The Great Way, also known as The Great Vehicle is one of Three Vehicles, teachings from The Buddha. It encompasses the entire Universe and is the direct cause for the cosmos's imbuement. Yet The Dharma which is born through the mind also known as Law Of Buddha. It has even The Great Way in it, representing all Buddhist Teachings, etc. In front of the Dharma the Yin-Yang is considered less and easier to comprehend.
It controls the entire Universe, having the highest authority and potency of all. Birthless and Deathless, it is half-formed and half not formed, with those who follow it not knowing its limit, and those who draw on it not fathoming its source. It is considered boundless and used as power despite not being energy. With Buddha's being able to draw on it for boundless power. It is what their powers spring from including their Omniscience. All Dharma's are one and the same.
Yet the Dharma is still just a part of The Buddha's True Form, The Dharmakaya. Any of their powers which all originate from the Dharma would be willed into existence. Giving them their Subjective Reality. Everything they do, even holding The Universe in their palms would be a part of that. And even The Buddha's True Form would exist within Nirvana, which is endless and which all Buddhism is built upon. They would be free from Nidanas which is basically all phenomena, which would extend to the Yin-Yang as all of its boundless Dualities and their effects are considered phenomena.
As such, they massively scale above monks on their way to becoming Buddhas who have no Cause and Effect, see The Universe as Void, and are unbound by The Universe. Also scaling above the monks on their way to Buddhahood who transcend The Universe. Supported by the fact Buddha sees things (The Universe in Buddha Terms) as Unreality.
It's not perfect and there is a crap ton more scan's stating all of this over and over again. So if more is needed let me know.
It's not the Dharmakaya, just a Buddhist monk who sees the world as it really is (Unreality).No. The Dharmakaya (or however that's spelled) sees the entirety of the world as unreality and emptiness and is stated to transcend and be unbound by it. Said world is a recursion of universes as tiny grains in higher universes and so on.
The Great Way, or the Great Dao, is that. It's THE Dao.Nothing involving the Great Way or anything like that.
There's as many as there are Sands in the Ganges, which is a phrase for Infinity, or even greater, since Buddha spoke to a King of great Mathematical skill, and rattled on for 30 pages about how big the universe was, and near the end, Buddha just was flat out talking about bigger and bigger infinities, and the Great King could comprehend it.But they occupy the same physical space, ghe lower realms don't act different from the higher realms and they're aren't an infinite amount of them per universe. Just a bunch that then I recursive.
Not exactly sure what you mean here so I hope you can elaborate. They share the same space about as much as well, you share the same space as the space-time continuum.But they occupy the same physical space,
They don't have to be infinite grains per world for it to qualify for higher infinities. The main point is that the universes are objects embedded in the higher universe's space-time, meaning that they'd have uncountably infinite copies across that universe's space-time. And I'm not entirely sure what is meant by acting different so I hope you can elaborate that as well.the lower realms don't act different from the higher realms and they're aren't an infinite amount of them per universe. Just a bunch that then I recursive.
Okay. I will ask him in private as well.I believe this is the info to be evaluated, @Antvasima. You contacted him earlier as well.
This is an unexpected turn of events.I can't believe I'm putting this much effort into defending 1-A JttW.
Agreed, how about @Planck69 , do you agree with this proposal?Basically, the argument I'm making is a Dharma-Bodied Buddha should be Low 1-A
Not something that grants a qualitative leap.So I believe Dharma should scale to Low 1-A. And that's from Scaling above The Yin-Yang and Great Way.
First, it is stated that it is responsible for the Universe's imbuement or filling.
Neither does this.
Considering that this could very well just mean being free of desires, suffering and the like, you can understand why I'm not going to agree to any tiering based on the one-off mention of a buzzword that's really a source of grief on this site.
Link doesn't work. Though I guess it should permeate the entirety of reality based on that description.This would put the Hierarchy as High 1-B Ad Infinitum > Transcendent Monks > Yin-Yang > The Great Way. The Yin-Yang controls all Dualities and created boundless effects and functions for them, throughout that entire structure and Universe. Which would include the Universes below it. So it's something capable of affecting a High 1-B Structure making it High 1-B itself.
Not something that grants higher tiering at all. Being harder to comprehend is at best secondary evidence, not evidence in and of itself.
This can very much be true without it transcending the hierarchy.Also granting Dharma-Bodied Buddha's their power. Such as holding the entire JTTW Universe within their palm. Considering all Dharma are one and the same and Buddhas can access boundless levels of power from the Dharma. Plus Buddhas are stated to be the Kings of the Dharma.
Further, it is confirmed it controls the entire Universe, having the highest authority and potency of all.https://gyazo.com/18f695e2f1aaa65710e0bc3cb675cc3e
I suppose that's more accurate than just plain High 1-B. Does anyone else agree?I propose the notion that Nirmakaya wukong's stat should be "At least Low 2-C up to High 1-B through the Dharma"
Wdym here?Edit: he would still be strong enough to stomp most of the SCP God tiers aside from the ones that transcends the infinite narrative stack including 2747. So I'm quite satisfied with this.
That's different.I disagree with H1B and 2A too
Literally, there is High-3A characters like this
What I meant is, he could beat most of the SCP 1As aside from the narrative entities such as Swann, Sam Howell, overvoid lurk and lady of the Blacktorns who are way above his weight class. Due to his Dharma based abilites. Although I can be wrong since I don't know how many times are SCP 1As are above baseline.Wdym here?
Whoever is at the higher narrative layer is already baseline High-1A (Swan, Overvoid,..), the characters that transcend the narrative stack like 2747 + 3812 are infinite layers above baseline H1A lol, they are literally the strongest H1A, no more 1A narrative
Regarding 1A scp all are better than baseline, most are haxless (literally xeno goku can stomp more than half of them) however we have this pink girl who is the strongest 1A in the wiki's top 5