Josuke Higashikata vs Nora Valkyrie

[Wokistan]

Ok but the rwby lifting strength feat is decidedly not just off of shoulders. She's probably still stronger against the specific thing, but you can't scale every individual muscle group to the feat directly.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Where's Nora's exact lifting strength calc?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo Being invisible doesnt magically mean you cant be interacted with

But it means you can't be reacted to properly. Nora's getting smacked to high heaven before she can mount a proper counterattack.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

her AP while amped is enough to oneshot Josuke and CD

No. We already went over that. Stop pushing it forward despite it explicitly not being true.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Where's Nora's exact lifting strength calc?

Trying to find it, really wish Kep linked his calc rather than just a gif

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Trying to find it, really wish Kep linked his calc rather than just a gif

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kepekley23/Sandbox?oldid=2451427

If you scroll down to the first calc you can find it

It's 340994.378849 kg

 

[Wokistan]

Weekly you seem to be fixating far too much on the specific scenario PL gave rather than what's actually importsnt. The important part is that the speed amp isn't enough to trivialize the fact that jouske has an invisible protector she has no way of knowing about and no real way of fighting effectively if she doesn't absuse AoE off the get go. Also, since she has no flight, no amount of lifgint strength would really save her from being swing around and slammed into walls and the ground by her leg or something. You still need a base to push off of to lift with any sort of effectiveness, why do you think it's so bad to get picked up off the ground?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ah, thanks Arrogant

So Nora is much stronger than Ruby who is 340994 kg

Now what is Crazy Diamond's LS? Unless im reading it wrong he's only Class 50 vs Nora's Class K

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Except in character she does abuse ranged AoE off the get go from the range theyre starting at, and she can still hit CD due to her aura. Also Nora does actually have flight via her Rocket Launcher, hence why i keep saying that she can just shoot at the ground but no one wants to listen to me.

 

[Wokistan]

Via a rocket launcher, meaning it's not like she can just base herself off of nothing. Rocket jumping would not scale to her lifting, CD'd only need to overcome the force caused by the launcher that kicks her back into the air. Seeing as she's osfensibly a normal teenage girl proportions wise, that's not that much force.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its not rocket jumping, she actively uses her rocket like a jet that continually lifts her into the air, not just something that fires once and then stops, and its capable of actively carrying her into the air.

But again there's still nothing stopping nora from firing an electric grenade at the ground to stun CD

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

The fact that she'd already be in the air before she can do something to react really shows how she's not getting near Josuke to hit him.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo She doesnt need to get near him when she can just range spam

 

[Wokistan]

Why would an electric grenade stun something that has no nerves

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It stuns Grimm which are basically just shadow creatures with no biological components

Plus it has the range with AoE to electrocute Josuke too

 

[Wokistan]

Also, AS has the helpful habit of posting the APs in his OPs, which makes me confused as to exactly her one shotting would ever come up. Does she jump into her 8-B key with powers or something?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

While amped she simultaneously beat four 8-C+s who scale to the 1.42 ton feat

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo She doesnt need to get near him when she can just range spam

This debate just went full circle I think twice now.

I'm going to work on something else and let new commentors decide what they think from the debate above.

 

[Wokistan]

Weekly that just means that Grimm are stunned by electricity. Not that it is special all stunning electricity that works on whatever it wants to.

That doesn't mean she'll one shot though. She doesn't need to match all their APs at once.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Wok Its been established for almost a year now that Aura users can affect Stands due to the two being similar enough to justify it. Yes Nora can affect CD with her attacks.

Not only is Nora strong enough that she can beat four people stronger than Josuke, but Josuke's AP is just barely above the AP of the fodder Grimm in-verse which Nora can easily oneshot even when unamped.

 

[Wokistan]

Affecting stands is fine. I'm questioning the specific effects.

If she can one shot someone with his AP, wouldn't that make the match a stomp? That'd mean he can't really do anything because lack of durability negation.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No because he does have durability negation but in order to use it he has to get through her aura, which as people have pointed out is entirely possible given specific circumstances, but the majority of circumstances here have Nora beating Josuke.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Disagree, Josuke FRA.

I don't see her being able to overwhelm or even touch him at all with grenades, he can revert it before it reaches him. Furthermore he can revert her amp if he can touch her and she needs to melee rush to actually end it.

Also, the one shotting other 8-C is either an outlier or Grimm are significantly weaker than Nora and are not comparable to Josuke.

Crazy Diamond is largely unaffected by RHCP electricity, though I wouldn't go as far to say immune to the element altogether, just that it doesn't seem to paralyze and do all the other status effect things.

https://youtu.be/deVu7e415PU

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Josuke: 4 (Dargoo, EpicLore, Super, Prof)

Nora: 2 (Weekly, Pixel)

Incon: 0

 

[Wokistan]

Rwby might not be a verse where you've gotta be far stronger than someone to one shot.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Isn't this somewhat like Polnareff-Weiss but now the Jojo character has an answer for ranged attacks?

 

[DMB_1]

Since the fight takes place in Central Park, can Josuke find non-conducting materials and use his ability to trap her, protect himself or something?

Could be an option. Anyways, I don't see how her electricity could stun something that she can't touch or interact with.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Eh, Josuke FRA

 

[SSBXeno573]

Josuke fra.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Josuke fra

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Grace.

 

[Keeweed]

I was going to vote Nora but I remembered that Josuke could just fuse her with a rock due to invisible punching ghost, so Josuke has my vote

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Hey uh just saying

EpicLore should probably not be counted for this, he's a troll who was saying some rather disdainful things

You're still in grace due to Keeweed, just letting you know

 

[Dziga]

Yep, Diamond Boi FRA.

 

[Starter_Pack]

From reading the above comments, I can see Josuke being much more likely to win than Nora here. A lot of the arguments for Nora seem to focus on very specific instances (i.e., she shoots a grenade at herself while being bear hugged to hit Josuke, which would require oneself to be oriented enough and quick enough on the draw to do so) whereas Josuke has had more stable avenues of winning being explained here. So, throw my hat in for Josuke FRA.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Josuke FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Professor 8-C+s oneshotting 8-C+ grimm happens hundreds of times in the show, its the most consistent thing in the series, its in no way an outlier

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Professor 8-C+s oneshotting 8-C grimm happens hundreds of times in the show, its the most consistent thing in the series, its in no way an outlier

Josuke's 8-C+, though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I know i fixed it

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

And now it's just false.

Can you link me more vids of these one-shots you keep on talking about? I already went over how the one at Beacon's tournament wasn't a real blitz/one-shot.