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Calamity beats time stop?kira gets murdered pretty handily, Diavalo lasts a little longer but still dies since he can’t actually take wouout of the fight, white snake pucci gets bodied, Cmoon pucci might be able to last a while by changing gravity, but he’d prob end up tripping on a rock and breaking his neck or something. Mih pucci gets bodied as well. Love train funny could incon I suppose, but he gets mangled the moment he tries to attack. He’s not winning at least. Dio, and DIO would eventually lose, since day would come at some point. Kars just gets attacked forever, so incon for him.
No, I've felt Gio in particular should for years now, the whole sleeping slave thing subtext kinda implicates he isn't one of them.Am I the only one who feels like Giorno should have had some kind of resistance to Fate Manipulation, since he wasn't gravitated to Pucci, if he really was in Florida, Jolyne would've sensed him, but she never makes a mention of anyone else aside Pucci, Rykel, And the other 2 inbreds
there's enough evidence I'd sayNo, I've felt Gio in particular should for years now, the whole sleeping slave thing subtext kinda implicates he isn't one of them.
But actually proving it is tough because as said, it's mostly subtext.
*pulverizingvs wiki explaining how jotaro vaporizing the world doesn't make him 1.5 times stronger to become 8-B
me try not to lose a minor interaction with chariot challenge (completely impossible)*pulverizing
Get ******
Wo don't scale GER above other stands' AP due to stand stats (the stats are kinda talking about RTZ), but because like, five inches over there's a line that says "further more, because its attack output exceeds all existing Stands, it can be called the Ultimate Stand".therefore making GER upscale to 8-B via being stronger and having the infinity+ on his stand stats
well, uhWo don't scale GER above other stands' AP due to stand stats (the stats are kinda talking about RTZ), but because like, five inches over there's a line that says "further more, because its attack output exceeds all existing Stands, it can be called the Ultimate Stand".
Also he literally broke his hand. Yeah GER upscales off it, but how much? We do not know, just that he is.
Of course it is, I said it.well, uh
that's true actually'
Doesn't inherently have to be attack, it could be a few things, all I know is that fact of the matter is the stats are talking about RTZ (except actually, right below it, it specifies its the ability).although I still don't buy that they would give an attack stat to a causality ability with no offensive power
Yes this is true. But Peak Plat > King Crimson (He's like base plat tier).I mean, he kinda did completely dominate king crimson, shot through his hand very casually and only used one finger, which still had enough energy to destroy some buildings, but I guess that's not important if that was just diavolo's hand and not king crimson's
This is true. But peak Plat > King Crimson.he also completely blitzed diavolo's perception with that finger laser thing, then proceeded to do a beatdown that sent him flying
Scaling to the base value, not ultra giga pissed Jotaro.so we know his physicals are at least >>>>>> king crimson, whom is high 8-C scaling to jotaro's value,
I mean, yeah, it did indeed get a power up.with diavolo also commenting on GER assuming it was just a power amp.
Technically false, we should just be using the exceed all stands line, which ultimately has the same effect of > Plat. The stats are explicitly talking about RTZ (like it actually specifies).The profile itself also seems to use the "none" stat as an AP justification actually, since it says "it can't have its stats measured, while star platinum can" so we could technically still use that
Just find an 8-B feat bruh.I still believe in 8-B jojo, I believe in this argument...
He is upscaling. The issue is, that I've said a thousand times before is you aren't jumping to the next tier no matter how much you upscale unless the value you're upscaling off is like 25% within the border. Unfortunately, they're 40%~ off, give or take.Wait no, the laser, that he shot suppressed and using a single finger, hit king crimson’s hand and shot through it like butter, and still had enough momentum to do more building level damage to the background stuff
In my opinion, that’s grounds for upscaling
Why empath resis?That, power nullification too. Maybe empath res.
King…Of course it is, I said it.
Ability can be referring to “capability” or the stand itself as giorno’s ability, it’s up for interpretation based off it thisDoesn't inherently have to be attack, it could be a few things, all I know is that fact of the matter is the stats are talking about RTZ (except actually, right below it, it specifies its the ability).
ok but how about the stand rush battles, since high 8-C Jotaro and Dio clashed their fists a bunch during the fight? If that could be evidence of him directly scaling to the 8-B, then that would mean GER is also 8-B… I think? I hope.Yes this is true. But Peak Plat > King Crimson (He's like base plat tier).
This is true. But peak Plat > King Crimson.
Scaling to the base value, not ultra giga pissed Jotaro.
Discovering something that doesn’t existJust find an 8-B feat bruh.
Ok but, the 2 times multiplier from clashing fists, it’s right there, the final step is just to upscale from the combined power of star platinum and the worldthousand times before is you aren't jumping to the next tier no matter how much you upscale unless the value you're upscaling off is like 25% within the border. Unfortunately, they're 40%~ off, give or take.
If plat dusting The World doesn't make him 8-B, Ger putting a hole in Crimson's hand isn't 8-B. Like, yeah it could be, in fact it probably is, but the text on the profile ain't changing unless we get a concrete calc within 25% of the threshold.
Upscaling is a pointless endeavor, we're never hitting 8-B upscaling off what we currently have, you're better off finding an 8-B feat or a higher High 8-C feat to allow it, moment that's done, I'll even make the CRT myself.
No I mean, it LITERALLY straight up says it's talking about RTZ lad in reference to the Stand stats. GoGo specifies and gives a little explanation for why stats the way they are, it's why we know things like why White Album has a C in speed or A in power.Ability can be referring to “capability” or the stand itself as giorno’s ability, it’s up for interpretation based off it this
Tanking High 8-C+ attacks a bunch doesn't make you 8-B? In fact I'd hope they could tank High 8-C+ attacks.ok but how about the stand rush battles, since high 8-C Jotaro and Dio clashed their fists a bunch during the fight? If that could be evidence of him directly scaling to the 8-B, then that would mean GER is also 8-B… I think? I hope.
That's on you brother.Discovering something that doesn’t exist
Not really how it works, and then you get circular logic ofOk but, the 2 times multiplier from clashing fists, it’s right there, the final step is just to upscale from the combined power of star platinum and the world
Willpower stuff.
LNo I mean, it LITERALLY straight up says it's talking about RTZ lad in reference to the Stand stats. GoGo specifies and gives a little explanation for why stats the way they are, it's why we know things like why White Album has a C in speed or A in power.
Gogo specifies for GER, it's RTZ.
What I meant is that each individual punch was a high 8-C attack, meaning that during their stand rush they clashed their combined attacks many times, meaning those were all 8-B, not high 8-C+Tanking High 8-C+ attacks a bunch doesn't make you 8-B? In fact I'd hope they could tank High 8-C+ attacks.
Baken can do it himselfThat's on you brother.
Well possibly they were both high 8-C in AP, but then rage and amps made their AP 8-B allowing them to damage eachother more later in the fight, thus making the final attack actually damage them both since they both got far stronger than they did at the start of the fight. Jotaro took a hit at the start and said that all it did was rip his pants so….maybe…..Not really how it works, and then you get circular logic of
Durability 2x Ap.
They can harm each other.
So AP scales to durability.
But durability is 2x AP.
Repeat
Looks at Jojo verse AP calcs, OK.Discovering something that doesn’t exist
I mean, we kinda already have an 8-B calc on the verse page so that makes 2,SweetThere's like, maybe one 8-B feta uncalced, maybe, and it doesn't scale to physicals.
For who?I have like two 9-A+ calcs I've been meaning to add as support tho.
There’s 0 way to know. That’s it.What would king crimson requiem look like if diavolo succeeded with the arrow?
What does it look like?Proto King Crimson has a cool design, tbh I like it better than final.