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Wait fr??? That's absolutely wild, the only one I can recall is Koichi stating he could keep up with RHCP's speed (which technically isn't quite FTL but still)
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable
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Yeah, but also nah, the japanese scan is more specific and detailed.
It specifically says he can catch up to it. It's worded not that he can just keep up with it, but he himself is fast enough to match it, and moreover catch him in the span it takes him to move a "紙一重の差で", aka, literally "a paper-thin difference" + "gap".
Koichi also doubles down on it in the raw, he doesn't just say "He's SOL in wires, only Jotaro has a chance", he says "He's SOL in wires" and then specifies Jotaro himself can catch SOL, saying SOL twice in the same sentence. At face value, it's like low FTL statement given the context.
Which, thinking on it, that doubles as an actually decent scaling for CD, given Koichi says RHCP is only barely avoiding CD's blows by a miniscule margin, should probably be added for the rel justification.
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On the topic of CD, should the examples of it shattering Killer Queen with its punches fall under Josuke's pissed off state? Since it's comparing both CD and SP in the profile, and the only time Josuke comes close is when he's enraged. Oh, and the fact that he did look pissed off.
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Josuke is outdated. But it's also important to note CD does get way stronger over time (They straight up say he's "gotten way stronger", and it's not minor, he could mutilate his start of Part self. Just compare RHCP blowing off The Hand's arm (was comparable to early CD) for an idea of what late CD could do to early CD).
Though his peak is still below Plat, the gap might not be as big as some might think.
Though his peak is still below Plat, the gap might not be as big as some might think.
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And is Rohan surviving the most wrathful Josuke has ever been an outlier?
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Josuke while pissed still makes sure not to kill. It's less an outlier and more Josuke crippled him but opted not to kill him.
In regards to main JoJo's, only Jotaro when the situation absolutely calls for it, Gio, and all the new uni dudes, is scaling possible for tanking Stand attacks because half the time they're not pullung puncheswhich is bad given 90% of the time, when they land their blows, it's mutilation or straight death, like Josuke pulping Damo's head.
Josuke explicitly makes sure to never kill even if he wants to, Jolyne is the same (so much so that it's a plot point, in Planet Waves, when she went to kill Westwood, she instantly stopped and then realized something was wrong because she tries her best not to kill and the fact she thought of killing him made her aware that she was under a Stand attack).
Jotaro is stated to hold back as to not kill (but is also precise enough as to make sure they suffer), and won't for the most part, but is willing should the situation call for it (Dio, Pucci after he got folded in the frame, almost killed Steely Dan initially, etc).
Gio is like, on sight, he doesn't give a ****, he will kill you if need be and won't hold back 90% of the time. Johnny is the same, he'll murder if he thinks it's efficient. Josuke is a bit more chill but won't hesitate to murder if need be or if he's pissed off. Jodio is literally a ******* psychopath, to get him to kill you is as easy as it being an actual fight.
In regards to main JoJo's, only Jotaro when the situation absolutely calls for it, Gio, and all the new uni dudes, is scaling possible for tanking Stand attacks because half the time they're not pullung punches
Josuke explicitly makes sure to never kill even if he wants to, Jolyne is the same (so much so that it's a plot point, in Planet Waves, when she went to kill Westwood, she instantly stopped and then realized something was wrong because she tries her best not to kill and the fact she thought of killing him made her aware that she was under a Stand attack).
Jotaro is stated to hold back as to not kill (but is also precise enough as to make sure they suffer), and won't for the most part, but is willing should the situation call for it (Dio, Pucci after he got folded in the frame, almost killed Steely Dan initially, etc).
Gio is like, on sight, he doesn't give a ****, he will kill you if need be and won't hold back 90% of the time. Johnny is the same, he'll murder if he thinks it's efficient. Josuke is a bit more chill but won't hesitate to murder if need be or if he's pissed off. Jodio is literally a ******* psychopath, to get him to kill you is as easy as it being an actual fight.
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"Kill you? I'm gonna fight you." -Son Johan the 4th
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Tarkus fight
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Tarkus breaks Jonathan's neck with the chain. It gets healed.
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Guys, should we make Novel Dio vs Shibai?
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No. 1-A anything matches blow. And are never going to be fair, I can promise you it's a mismatch or stomp.
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Shibai can passively make Dio attracted to him, and Beyond would make Dio effective at getting Shibai to reciprocate his feelings, so it's an incon.
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Shibai follows the Kaguya route
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That's very easy
Jorge Joestar Dio Get Made in Heaven
The true capabilities of Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem and how it differs from the regular Made in Heaven are not clearly depicted, but it appears to accelerate time faster than the original. Dio Brando uses it to escape to another universe where he can find a new body.
Agree: @Rutæhh @Bernkastelll
Disagree: @JustANormalPerson01
Neutral: @Nemu13
Jorge Joestar Dio Get Made in Heaven
The true capabilities of Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem and how it differs from the regular Made in Heaven are not clearly depicted, but it appears to accelerate time faster than the original. Dio Brando uses it to escape to another universe where he can find a new body.
Agree: @Rutæhh @Bernkastelll
Disagree: @JustANormalPerson01
Neutral: @Nemu13
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AP? No. ED? Eh yeah sure **** it maybe.
Though I guess it could be used offensively to like kill dudes who can't tank a big crunch. That's not really on it tho.
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A question, could the Rey Infinito novels end up getting profiles for some of the characters? Specifically Lisa Lisa and the main antagonist, who apparently has a requiem stand?
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We were talking about that last night in chat. We plan to give El Aleph and Lisa a profile yeah. I've did rough calcs for her to get an idea. It's just, ya know.
Step 1.
Her canon profile needs to be updated (It's missing a bunch of shit), given she scales and has stuff from that.
Step 2.
Just compiling novel stuff (This effort.....).
She's prob 7-B tho with the Platinum succ, physically, she's def tier 8, smashed a large platform of a temple into "pebbles" (so v.frag).
She might as well just have Star Platinum except with stupid af hamon slop instead of time stop.
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Big nerf
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Will the effects of mihur go through a big crunch?
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What? MIH causes a Big Crunch.
Time accelerates till the uni collapses.
Time accelerates till the uni collapses.
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*GOATed Hamon slop
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Welp, I guess mihur work different with Canon one
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I think this should be ap
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It'd be ED. ED that can kill in some cases yeah, but still just ED. He doesn't punch that, he himself isn't doing anything, it's just a natural consequence of his ability.
We list ED though if that's what you want, like BTD.
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Because people keep forgetting to convert ******* grams to kilograms so every calc is inflated by 1000x. Unironically why.
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Looks like the RHCP electricity feat uses a method that might be invalid.
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Not what RHCP's calc is even doing. It's not a power outage calc, and he has multiple direct statements elaborating.
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Check further in the thread; there's stuff regarding "X absorbs enough energy to cause a power outage for Y length of time" feats as well, namely the fact that the power grid doesn't really work that way.
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Well aware dude. RHCP has nothing to do with that. We're flatout told he took the entire city's power in. The fact it caused power outages, is not relevant to the feat or calc at all. The fact it shows that is simply a bonus, but isn't why it's being calced nor factors in. There's statements and extra extrapolation and whatnot involved that hard confirm it encompassed the entirity of the town, specifying all the energy at that. Even saying all energy in the city is converging.
Calcs that need to guess and assume based off visual evidence, is not the same as "yeah this dude drained the entire city of power to the point nothing was left, which directly adds to his power".
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Yeah even the manga itself hammers that shit in. The whole town, not just some, and all the energy, to the point there wouldn't even be any left later.
Guides also elaborate further. RHCP's calc is not a concern imo, it beats you over the face to where saying he didn't drain it all would be flatout impossible to argue.
If need be I'll gather stuff, the calc could probably do with a lil recalc anyway for more accurate values.
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The point isn't that he didn't drain it all, it's that the energy is being generated over an extended period of time and there's a limited amount of it that could be there in the few seconds that we was draining it. Like if hypothetically he took a while month's worth of energy or something ridiculous like that, you could point to that and say that there wasn't a month's worth of energy just sitting there completely unused for him to absorb, no power grid on the planet has that large an energy buffer. A timeframe of 10 minutes is obviously much more reasonable but I'm still not 100% sure about it given the only way to drain 10 minutes worth of energy in less than 10 minutes is to drain more energy than is being generated, which doesn't really make sense, obviously.
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I am well aware. The calc isn't for like an hours or days worth if that's what you think.
I'm well aware. We actively stopped calcing the feat like that.
Two reasons.
Sendai.
And also because that's simply what we're told. I wasn't joking about the guide slop and extra elaboration.
Not much we can do about it if if that's the way the feat is framed. It's an older manga, that doesn't detract from the info given regarding the feat and what was done.
His ass drained several minutes worth of energy, this is noted, don't make much sense but I doubt Araki was looking into the exact science of power grids in 1992 when he just went "yep, he stole an entire city's electrical power, a chunk of time's worth even!".
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