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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

He went from 5 to 9 after drinking his blood and stopping time again, he went from 9 to 10 or was it 11?
Eitherways it looked to be still growing, drinking Joestar blood definitely triggers it but he can develop further from there
 
Dio himself says it grows day by day, and will eventually hit a minute, an hour, and ultimately however long he wants.
The Joestar Blood just fixed all his fuckys and made it so it wasn't taking months to grow.

It went from 5 after 6 months, to 9, to 11~, it'd probably just keep going yeah, given we already knew it was doing that.
 
Chariot190 said:
Dio himself says it grows day by day, and will eventually hit a minute, an hour, and ultimately however long he wants.
The Joestar Blood just fixed all his fuckys and made it so it wasn't taking months to grow.

It went from 5 after 6 months, to 9, to 11~, it'd probably just keep going yeah, given we already knew it was doing that.
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What about Jotaro? Is the same thing applies for him too? I mean we never seen he can grow it more than 5 seconds but is there a chance to might happen?
 
Lort15 said:
What about Jotaro? Is the same thing applies for him too? I mean we never seen he can grow it more than 5 seconds but is there a chance to might happen?
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5 seems to be the cap for humans for one reason or another, I can think of a few reasons why that might be, but it's never been confirmed why exactly.
 
Lort15 said:
What about Jotaro? Is the same thing applies for him too? I mean we never seen he can grow it more than 5 seconds but is there a chance to might happen?
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Jotaro does have growth and loss with his timestop, but like Chariot says, it seems to be a 5 second cap for humans. He didn't use timestop much if at all between part 3 and 4, but once he started to use it again it boosted dramatically from a half to 2 seconds.

After that it goes up to 5 by the time of part 6, which makes sense since he had been working for the speedwagon foundation and going on mission for the past several years. It's possible it was 2 seconds at the start of the part, but this info only comes from Whitesnake's illusion, and it doesn't make much sense for him to get a dramatic boost up to 5 seconds after coming out of a coma.
 
I need to ask this question since it's been bugging me for months now.
Is the arrow from Part 5 the only one that can grant Requiem stands? I've seen arguments made that any stand arrow can do the same thing. (i.e. The Killer Queen incident)
And if it is special, what happens to those without stands who get hit with that arrow?
 
KOPMAN420 said:
I need to ask this question since it's been bugging me for months now.
Is the arrow from Part 5 the only one that can grant Requiem stands? I've seen arguments made that any stand arrow can do the same thing. (i.e. The Killer Queen incident)
And if it is special, what happens to those without stands who get hit with that arrow?
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from my knowledge it would grant them a stand, Pucci's stand is coming from that arrow as far as i remember
 
KOPMAN420 said:
I need to ask this question since it's been bugging me for months now.
Is the arrow from Part 5 the only one that can grant Requiem stands? I've seen arguments made that any stand arrow can do the same thing. (i.e. The Killer Queen incident)
And if it is special, what happens to those without stands who get hit with that arrow?
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Never elaborated upon.

Noncanon stuff seems to run with any could, you just have to be chosen tho.
 
KOPMAN420 said:
I need to ask this question since it's been bugging me for months now.
Is the arrow from Part 5 the only one that can grant Requiem stands? I've seen arguments made that any stand arrow can do the same thing. (i.e. The Killer Queen incident)
And if it is special, what happens to those without stands who get hit with that arrow?
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Maybe another silly question, but the crusaders exposed Dio's body to the sun at the end of Part 3.
Does that mean that Dio could have regenerated even with the destruction of The World? Or am I stupid?
 
KOPMAN420 said:
Maybe another silly question, but the crusaders exposed Dio's body to the sun at the end of Part 3.
Does that mean that Dio could have regenerated even with the destruction of The World? Or am I stupid?
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It was mostly symbolic
 
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KOPMAN420 said:
Maybe another silly question, but the crusaders exposed Dio's body to the sun at the end of Part 3.
Does that mean that Dio could have regenerated even with the destruction of The World? Or am I stupid?
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They state his body was explicitly still alive and as such be careful.
He was obviously incapicated due to the damage for at least a good hour or two, given his Stand and head was dusted (mind you, TW heals as Dio heals but that prob dont matter here) whether or not he could came back from that is unknown, but his body was alive still. The actual question is, even though he was alive, was he still cognizant due to his head being pulped, that we don't know. If he was, he would've came back eventually, it would've probably taken days based on past extreme damage like when he was reduced to a potato. If he wasn't, well then it was just them being careful bcause his body was alive still and that's obviously still dangerous due to what it could, and if the body was a live, they incontext wouldnt know if he was truly dead. Given Jotaro thought Joseph's prank was Dio for a second, they obviously weren't 100% he was dead.
 
Does novel kars have resistance to existence erasure and gravity manipulation? I keep seeing people say it?
 
Nemu13 said:
Does novel kars have resistance to existence erasure
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A lil but not that good. D4C is an issue, but by the end he was able to withstand it long enough to beat Dio. He could probably adapt further if he wanted but what we see is just a minor res.
and gravity manipulation? I keep seeing people say it?
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Not really, he's just so strong he literally doesn't give a **** about most gravity changes, like when C-Moon inversed gravity, he was completely uneffected and stood standing where he was because he's just that strong. He could, again, adapt if he wanted to probably but like, he doesn't because he doesn't need to.
 
Is there a reason Kars can't just walk off the pull of the Menger Sponge Effect with raw muscle? Like, he can do that, yeah?
 
November Rain is ******* busted. When its rain wall is up, nothing can get past it, and even if you make sure to try and stay out of range, a single raindrop can kill you instantly.

Welcome back part 3 stands.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
November Rain is ******* busted. When its rain wall is up, nothing can get past it, and even if you make sure to try and stay out of range, a single raindrop can kill you instantly.

Welcome back part 3 stands.
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i was literally about to make a same comment. November Rain is so op like the only stands that can work against it are stands like green day or bags groove
 
Nemu13 said:
I feel that kars is not just as simple as 6B tier, it may be higher
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He's High 6-A with Dune Ultimate, I just haven't gotten around to changing his page.

He possibly scales to it physically too, since Dio was able to bust out of Dune Ultimate's sand prison, and Kars can box with him pretty easily.
 
Parts 1-6: "Go on, JoJo! Punch that guy with your special ability!!! Such is the destiny of your bloodline! KILL YOUR DISTANT RELATIVE!"

Parts 7-8: "Your life is hell. You're shit. You're nothing. God hates you, and it's your fault. Go on, JoJo! Shoot that guy with your special ability!!! LEAVE NO SURVIVORS!"

Part 9(so far): "Yo, Jodio, my friend, crank that radio, it's time for a drunk drive. SHOOT THAT GUY WITH YOUR SPECIAL ABILITY!"
 
SlendVeny said:
Is there a reason Kars can't just walk off the pull of the Menger Sponge Effect with raw muscle? Like, he can do that, yeah?
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Maybe,
Nemu13 said:
I feel that kars is not just as simple as 6B tier, it may be higher
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The current feat is actually in the exaton range but that's a secret.

Anyway, Jodio is pretty strong, kinda, he excels in a few things but is super bad in others. Like he'd mog the shit out of say base GE as GE can't even get to him without basically getting Three Freeze'd x1000, but Jotaro legit would not give a **** and Plat would just walk through the rain.
His precision, set up and trap schtick (so like utility and stuff), LS and incap for some reason, and technically range (dont forget most main stands cant even go past 2m, NR is 6m AOE, and can be summoned up to like 10m away at least) all really good, but the actual raw AP is super dogass, he basically just pins you and you get crushed by a fucktrillion tons of water droplets. Speed is convuluted but he in theory exceeds Part 6 (pre-awakening) right now in attack speed.
Lava rock acting as a potential tool is useful too, it can and has been shown to have combat utility.
 
Chariot190 said:
Maybe,

The current feat is actually in the exaton range but that's a secret.

Anyway, Jodio is pretty strong, kinda, he excels in a few things but is super bad in others. Like he'd mog the shit out of say base GE as GE can't even get to him without basically getting Three Freeze'd x1000, but Jotaro legit would not give a **** and Plat would just walk through the rain.
His precision, set up and trap schtick (so like utility and stuff), LS and incap for some reason, and technically range (dont forget most main stands cant even go past 2m, NR is 6m AOE, and can be summoned up to like 10m away at least) all really good, but the actual raw AP is super dogass, he basically just pins you and you get crushed by a fucktrillion tons of water droplets. Speed is convuluted but he in theory exceeds Part 6 (pre-awakening) right now in attack speed.
Lava rock acting as a potential tool is useful too, it can and has been shown to have combat utility.
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Yeah about that
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It's become apparent that Jodio only needs one to cleave through flesh and bone to kill someone. With NR's precision, I think it's been made clear that Jodio just holds back a lot. Hell we've even seen the weight of the rain create holes in Rohan's house yeah?
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Yeah about that
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It's become apparent that Jodio only needs one to cleave through flesh and bone to kill someone. With NR's precision, I think it's been made clear that Jodio just holds back a lot. Hell we've even seen the weight of the rain create holes in Rohan's house yeah?
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I already calced that specific droplet yestday, it's only 9-C surprisingly it's technically 10-A, like 500 joules, but it's like how a bullet is 10-A and it exploits surface and speed to puncture bodies, the AP value is kind of misleading. November rain atm is about 9-B at best per drop atm thou, hovering around a megajoule based on hurting Charming Man, though a small puddle's worth is like 2-3 megajoules (the pitfall against Rohan). He's obviously higher in theory, but that's what the best feats get atm. Jodio himself has a decent dura feat, that Paco himself did, so that might actually boost it a lil, but I can't really tell how good it is because I'm not sure what the material is (When paco knocked jodio into the table and deformed it, if it's steel it could be decent, if it's plastic it's like 9-C max).

Needless to say 1 megajoule isn't doing shit to Star Platinum. But that is enough to harm early Stone Free. And while the AP is actual dogass, we got to remember, it does this via gravity manipulation, making these droplets hit with thousands of tons of force each. Any Stand besides Plat and pissed off CD would just eat shit and be unable to move so he can incap pretty much 90% of Stands at least.
 
Chariot190 said:
I already calced that specific droplet yestday, it's only 9-C surprisingly it's technically 10-A, like 500 joules, but it's like how a bullet is 10-A and it exploits surface and speed to puncture bodies, the AP value is kind of misleading. November rain atm is about 9-B at best per drop atm thou, hovering around a megajoule based on hurting Charming Man, though a small puddle's worth is like 2-3 megajoules (the pitfall against Rohan). He's obviously higher in theory, but that's what the best feats get atm. Jodio himself has a decent dura feat, that Paco himself did, so that might actually boost it a lil, but I can't really tell how good it is because I'm not sure what the material is (When paco knocked jodio into the table and deformed it, if it's steel it could be decent, if it's plastic it's like 9-C max).

Needless to say 1 megajoule isn't doing shit to Star Platinum. But that is enough to harm early Stone Free. And while the AP is actual dogass, we got to remember, it does this via gravity manipulation, making these droplets hit with thousands of tons of force each. Any Stand besides Plat and pissed off CD would just eat shit and be unable to move so he can incap pretty much 90% of Stands at least.
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Oh yeah, I was just referring to regular ol people, not the stands themselves. Even if 9-C (or 10-A) AP is bad, it should be enough to cleave through most stand users in an enclosed space, like with what happened to Bobby.

But as you say, it truly shines with the weight. It's only been 20 chapters and it can already incap most stands that have a physical form.
 
I just remembered that the explanation Zeppeli gave about Hamon working on Vampires had nothing to do with the sun, and entirely to do with using waves in the blood.
 
SlendVeny said:
I just remembered that the explanation Zeppeli gave about Hamon working on Vampires had nothing to do with the sun, and entirely to do with using waves in the blood.
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He literally says word for word bar for bar that the waves are similar. Its a wave of energy formed from a particular breathing style that produces energy identical to the sun's rays. It's the entire reason both sunlight and ripple can kill vampires.
 
Chritin said:
He literally says word for word bar for bar that the waves are similar. Its a wave of energy formed from a particular breathing style that produces energy identical to the sun's rays. It's the entire reason both sunlight and ripple can kill vampires.
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The translation I saw said "it produces waves, just like the suns ray's do," not "it produces waves identical to those of the sun," it's probably inaccurate though.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Oh yeah, I was just referring to regular ol people, not the stands themselves. Even if 9-C (or 10-A) AP is bad, it should be enough to cleave through most stand users in an enclosed space, like with what happened to Bobby.

But as you say, it truly shines with the weight. It's only been 20 chapters and it can already incap most stands that have a physical form.
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Jotaro technically outstats physically
SlendVeny said:
The translation I saw said "it produces waves, just like the suns ray's do," not "it produces waves identical to those of the sun," it's probably inaccurate though.
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He does in fact say the waves of hamon are the same as that of sunlight.


Zeppeli: The bone needles of the Stone Mask draw out unknown power and wicked intent from the brain, but in exchange, they must absorb energy from the blood of others!
My Ripple energy is also something created from the flow of my own blood!
The form was the 'front' and the 'back'! It was the same energy!!
JoJo… How do I erase that Ripple?

JoJo: I… I’m starting to understand. Another Ripple!

Zeppeli: That’s it! If I strike them with one more large Ripple energy, they’ll break into pieces!! And the waves of energy created by the Ripple technique—those! It's the same form as the waves of sunlight!"

JoJo: Mr. Zeppeli, you and I have something in common—a similar past. Please teach me how to use Ripple! I will endure any suffering and overcome any trial!

Zeppeli: Even if you say no, I’ll teach you by force! There’s no more time, JoJo!! Dio will start taking action… The purpose of the Stone Mask is to increase his own companions and become the ruler of the world! First, JoJo, you are the one who will be targeted!
 
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