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Send me the BIG page if you can, but also that was kind of already a thing from the manga. It's just a bit more explicit in the magazine ig
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable
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Passione is funny tbh. They get their stand users through tests, but their members can either range from people like Formaggio with Little Feet to ******* Carne and Notorious BIG.
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WRONG
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How did they know Carne could do that?
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Diavolo can sense that dog in people (he did it with Kocaqi too)
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Downgrade everybody NOW
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Can't believe Araki wrote JoJo as a kid.
also wouldnt matter source takes precedence
We should downgrade angelo tho, i don like him
his feats fake anyway
We should downgrade angelo tho, i don like him
his feats fake anyway
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Yeah Howler is a Zeppeli, was kinda obvious from design but they lowkey just said as much
Also ch was literally what I expected, basically recon.
Also ch was literally what I expected, basically recon.
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This will be interesting. From the times before, Zeppeli's have strictly been allies to the Joestars. It'll be neat for one actually be an antagonist to the Joestars this time around, when the great-great-great-great-great-great-gran-uncle of Howler was a mentor and friend to Johnny Joestar. (Hope I got all that right.)
also, new stand user group, wonder how powerful they will be if there's only 3. Bobby was a bum so hopefully they have more to offer.
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I feel ningbo is gonna have a power type, key will be phenomenon and we already seen some of what laem can do, but they specify pets, so it's probably a bonus like Robinson.
Given they specify occupations, the Stands will probably involve that somehow.
Given they specify occupations, the Stands will probably involve that somehow.
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Can't help but feel this is probably what a lot of authors still feel/think.
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Adolf Gege
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Lmao araki used lightspeed more than mach in his own manga chill
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Out of the characters with stands seen in TJL so far (minus Howler), I think the strongest go as follows
1. Rohan Kishibe (he's shown to be far above the gang so far, with Heaven's Door taking out everyone in the gang aside from Jodio, who took him down with a sneak attack)
2. Charming Man (I think it's implied that if he was really serious about it, he could have taken out the group, and being able to merge/camouflage with your surroundings is deadly)
3. Jodio Joestar (November Rain is busted, enough said. However, I feel like he could be beaten by outspeeding the start up for November Rain, he's probably interchangeable with Charming Man)
4. Paco Lauberantes (He has military training, and is a beast in hand to hand combat, strong enough to fold large metal panels. He was already shown to be able to blitz Rohan, and he can mess up the muscles of others with The Hustle and can grip surfaces easily.
5. Bobby Jean (gun)
6. Lulu (Bags' Grooves can give you super cancer, but other than that, she is just a kid, and if you kill her, the effects wear off)
7. Dragona Joestar (Smooth Operators reat utility usage, but is only good for that, as we see no offensive capabilities iirc)
8. Usagi Alohaoe (Unless he has some hidden secret, Usagi is at the bottom because THE MATTEKUDASAI is only good for support, and I bet that Dragona can kick his skinny ass easily)
1. Rohan Kishibe (he's shown to be far above the gang so far, with Heaven's Door taking out everyone in the gang aside from Jodio, who took him down with a sneak attack)
2. Charming Man (I think it's implied that if he was really serious about it, he could have taken out the group, and being able to merge/camouflage with your surroundings is deadly)
3. Jodio Joestar (November Rain is busted, enough said. However, I feel like he could be beaten by outspeeding the start up for November Rain, he's probably interchangeable with Charming Man)
4. Paco Lauberantes (He has military training, and is a beast in hand to hand combat, strong enough to fold large metal panels. He was already shown to be able to blitz Rohan, and he can mess up the muscles of others with The Hustle and can grip surfaces easily.
5. Bobby Jean (gun)
6. Lulu (Bags' Grooves can give you super cancer, but other than that, she is just a kid, and if you kill her, the effects wear off)
7. Dragona Joestar (Smooth Operators reat utility usage, but is only good for that, as we see no offensive capabilities iirc)
8. Usagi Alohaoe (Unless he has some hidden secret, Usagi is at the bottom because THE MATTEKUDASAI is only good for support, and I bet that Dragona can kick his skinny ass easily)
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Lulu is def the most stupid out of verse. She can just sit there km away and you die automatically within like a hour max, minutes without immediate medical attention. The fact she has like 12 of them, they're automatic, killing one won't kill her (split damage like Harvest, Sex Pistols, etc), and they're automatic Stands so they likely have infinite range is busted. Even against most Stands, Part 9 just so happened to have a mix of Stands that could fend them off. They're basically the Lovers but exponentially better. In every regard.
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Steely Dan was pretty stupid too.
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i dont know if this was mentioned but could some punch type stand just attack November rains legs?
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The rain has been shown to extend past his legs at points. It's like a strict 4x6 cylinder at max output. Like not by much, but it's happened by like a foot or so.
A power type could in theory but like, not gonna be as simple as just walking up to it, especially as Jodio has shown he can manifest it away from him over a target instead. It actually has a decent manifestation range, when I calced it, it was like 8m away from him.
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Yeah. I also just remembered that it doesn't just have to pour down rain. IIRC, it could somehow pour gasoline when burning down that school bus(?), so he can both crush and burn people under the right circumstances.
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The gasoline was set up by Jodio ahead of time (the bottles).
What it did was cause a drop to spawn inside the bus, hit the lock, and trigger a makeshift trap to ignote it.
He can cause the rain to fall within enclosed spaces, as long as it's beneath him, such as the aforementioned bus, or in his own mouth in a recent chapter, they've stated as much too a few times he can do that so it isn't just a fucky.
But the bus scene is an example of him manifesting away from Jodio. And we see a bunch he can instantly manifest him (does a bunch against Glory Days, did so against Charming Man at the car, etc).
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Jodio is going to be the first stand user with a stand that has a majority of As in his stats, isn't he
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Plat has A/A/A/C/A/A
The C is secretly an E though, Plat's just specifically inflated because it's treated as average for Power Types, as opposed to Stands in general.
D4C and Kiss the same, A in everything but one stat.
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If they can't survive without their soul, yeah. It's basic soul rip, then he absorb the soul to power himself.
It's actually an in-character thing too, though he usually waits a bit if need be because the soul gets stronger depending on the mental state, so taking it at peak spiritual strength grants more power.
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If I had to guess, what its stats would be, it would get:
- Strength: B
- Speed: A
- Range: D
- Stamina: A
- Precision: A
- Potential: B-C (depending on how its ability may get upgraded)
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Considering how Jodio's stand works with gravity manipulation, I feel like it's warranted that there's going to be a huge upgrade in the future. Plus, the only JoJo stand to not have an A in potential is Crazy Diamond, so it's more likely for November Rain to be with the rest.
Strength could also realistically be A, a single raindrop can cleave through and instantly kill a guy, imagine if he unleashed a whole downpour on someone.
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If we're just throwing out values
Strength: C (Can rip through flesh, bones, do minor damage to infrastructure, etc, it's like gunfire, etc. Not much different from the slew of other Stands that have done so before that are only a C), could be a B though depending how it's evaluated tho (if it ranks it as like an overall thing, like how Bad Company's B is the total combined force at once, B would make sense, in theory NR can like pulv 6m AoE, or higher depending how it's angled, plus it can unleash hundreds if not thousands of attacks at once). No way in hell is it gonna be a A though, that's usually for the more flatout destructive Stands, for reference, Soft & Wet and GE, both blatantly superhuman JoJo Stands (The first thing we ever see S&W do is blow out a thick wall casually) and Tusk Act 1 (First thing it ever did was bisect someone and cleave solid rock, second thing it did was smash a rock shelf) all treated as like C-dogass Stands in power, and NR's basic output is "about that" going by vibes.
Speed: B (It's pretty fast due to gravity, a few examples would be like blitzing Charming Man mid stab before he could even cut Jodio's skin or deflecting a bullet that wasn't effected by Glory Days), but it hasn't really been hyped up in speed so it doesn't seem to be a main point, and can be outdone (Cat dodged it). Could even be a C depending on how Araki treats it (like Stands usually as fast as basic gunfire often get tossed in C, and outside of calcs via gravity or basic blitzing, all we have is around that). Could get way higher though.
Range: C (Pretty solidly has at least a 7m+ manifestation, 6m AOE, and the rain itself doesnt actually have a range). Depending on what's actually being rated (6m aoe or manifestion, or both), it'd be D at worst, C at best. I'd wager C, given C is usually the 10m~ category.
Stamina: A (Hasn't at any point shown it taking stamina, effort, etc to keep it up, probably doesn't at all. Jodio can use it even while ******* dying too so, sustainability is evidently a complete nonfactor).
Precision: A (Arguably most precise Stand outside of the dumb ones lik Plat. Has completely control over every drop it generates, and can moreover control them at any point post creation, mid-fall, or even after they've hit something, can control the gravity for each individual drop differently, and can even just do precise shit like hit or aim small targets he can't even see like the bus feat or pulp a bag groove).
Potential: A (Already shown growth, being able to summon it in enclosed spaces, control the exact AoE or amount, use it in unconventional ways like "forcefields", or to make traps, etc. Also gravity and being spheres kinda like, makes the intent obvious. We're gonna get spin by the end so).
C/C/D/A/A/A at worst.
B/B/C/A/A/A at best.
If I had to guess.
Strength: C (Can rip through flesh, bones, do minor damage to infrastructure, etc, it's like gunfire, etc. Not much different from the slew of other Stands that have done so before that are only a C), could be a B though depending how it's evaluated tho (if it ranks it as like an overall thing, like how Bad Company's B is the total combined force at once, B would make sense, in theory NR can like pulv 6m AoE, or higher depending how it's angled, plus it can unleash hundreds if not thousands of attacks at once). No way in hell is it gonna be a A though, that's usually for the more flatout destructive Stands, for reference, Soft & Wet and GE, both blatantly superhuman JoJo Stands (The first thing we ever see S&W do is blow out a thick wall casually) and Tusk Act 1 (First thing it ever did was bisect someone and cleave solid rock, second thing it did was smash a rock shelf) all treated as like C-dogass Stands in power, and NR's basic output is "about that" going by vibes.
Speed: B (It's pretty fast due to gravity, a few examples would be like blitzing Charming Man mid stab before he could even cut Jodio's skin or deflecting a bullet that wasn't effected by Glory Days), but it hasn't really been hyped up in speed so it doesn't seem to be a main point, and can be outdone (Cat dodged it). Could even be a C depending on how Araki treats it (like Stands usually as fast as basic gunfire often get tossed in C, and outside of calcs via gravity or basic blitzing, all we have is around that). Could get way higher though.
Range: C (Pretty solidly has at least a 7m+ manifestation, 6m AOE, and the rain itself doesnt actually have a range). Depending on what's actually being rated (6m aoe or manifestion, or both), it'd be D at worst, C at best. I'd wager C, given C is usually the 10m~ category.
Stamina: A (Hasn't at any point shown it taking stamina, effort, etc to keep it up, probably doesn't at all. Jodio can use it even while ******* dying too so, sustainability is evidently a complete nonfactor).
Precision: A (Arguably most precise Stand outside of the dumb ones lik Plat. Has completely control over every drop it generates, and can moreover control them at any point post creation, mid-fall, or even after they've hit something, can control the gravity for each individual drop differently, and can even just do precise shit like hit or aim small targets he can't even see like the bus feat or pulp a bag groove).
Potential: A (Already shown growth, being able to summon it in enclosed spaces, control the exact AoE or amount, use it in unconventional ways like "forcefields", or to make traps, etc. Also gravity and being spheres kinda like, makes the intent obvious. We're gonna get spin by the end so).
C/C/D/A/A/A at worst.
B/B/C/A/A/A at best.
If I had to guess.
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I keep forgetting that C rated stands are still destructive as ****. It's considered "average" but S&W was busting down walls and splattering rock human heads.
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HP had an E (lowest), CD had a C. Tusk varied (it got lower each Act, started off at A though), etc.
Which makes sense, like HP not really able to do much, it can grow but it's negligible. And CD, by the time the part started, Josuke already knew what his Stand could do, and it never really did anything wild, C still means it can grow, but it's just normal growth, not whipping out game changers or skyrocketing constantly. Tusk is kinda obvious.
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Probably gonna be spin related. Like the intent is so ******* obvious that I'm shocked they even yapped about some of it this soon. Idk how the spin will manifest though, might be like Infinite Rotation tho due to the gravity.
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I'm guessing HP is already developed due to part 2. Iirc, going by the Jojonium re-releases, if the gang went back in time, Joseph already had HP wrapped around him.
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