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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

Chariot190 said:
Jotaro technically outstats physically

He does in fact say the waves of hamon are the same as that of sunlight.


Zeppeli: The bone needles of the Stone Mask draw out unknown power and wicked intent from the brain, but in exchange, they must absorb energy from the blood of others!
My Ripple energy is also something created from the flow of my own blood!
The form was the 'front' and the 'back'! It was the same energy!!
JoJo… How do I erase that Ripple?

JoJo: I… I’m starting to understand. Another Ripple!

Zeppeli: That’s it! If I strike them with one more large Ripple energy, they’ll break into pieces!! And the waves of energy created by the Ripple technique—those! It's the same form as the waves of sunlight!"

JoJo: Mr. Zeppeli, you and I have something in common—a similar past. Please teach me how to use Ripple! I will endure any suffering and overcome any trial!

Zeppeli: Even if you say no, I’ll teach you by force! There’s no more time, JoJo!! Dio will start taking action… The purpose of the Stone Mask is to increase his own companions and become the ruler of the world! First, JoJo, you are the one who will be targeted!
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This should give hamon users limited radiation manipulation and transmutation.
 
Chariot190 said:
No, it shouldn't, at all, what
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They are transforming the energy within their body to waves similar to sunlight? not much evidence for RM that is why I said limited but transmutation is pretty clear. From the transmutation page itself.
Transmutation is the ability to alter the form of energy, beings, objects, matter, etc. to change it into something else.
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Daoist_Pepe said:
They are transforming the energy within their body to waves similar to sunlight? not much evidence for RM that is why I said limited but transmutation is pretty clear. From the transmutation page itself.
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No? The energy just so happens to have that wavelength, they aren't altering shit.
Their breath and blood brings forth this life energy, this life energy has the properties of sunlight.

It'd be like giving Goku transumtation because ki has the properties of an explosion or something.

And radiation manip has never been implied or shown, like at best you could argue the relative radiation of aheat lamp used for gekkos or something but that's like literally nonexistent.
 
Chariot190 said:
Their breath and blood brings forth this life energy
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true, went back to my scans
Chariot190 said:
It'd be like giving Goku transumtation because ki has the properties of an explosion or something.
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Meh, I had that rationale because I thought they were 'altering their energy' not because their 'energy possess similar properties to [insert]' but since they don't do the former, yeah transmutation is unfounded.
 
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Novel Kars & Dio AP CRT

This is just a CRT on the application of this feat, which has already been accepted and applied to Goyathlay Soundman's page. At the very least, Kars needs to get High 6-A for Dune Ultimate due its very nature as being an improved version of Dune itself. Beyond that however, I believe both Kars...
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Nemu13 said:
Can D4CU create universe?
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Probably. "Dirty Whatever" can seemingly create universes, but this is only based on phrasing in the novel. We don't see what UD4C actually does in the novel, but it's implied that whatever it can do is stronger than base D4C.
 
Nemu13 said:
Can D4CU create universe?
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Joji theorizes that D4C does and Funny goes "shit maybe huh", and then alt world Kars pretty explicitly confirms that to be the case and is ******* MAD about it.
D4CU is just D4C but better (somehow, we don't know HOW it's better but it just is), so yeah it can.

This is also seemingly why they can't find find worlds with themselves with said Stand, but can loophole it to find OTHERS with that Stand.

Of course D4C can also go to pre-existing worlds and move between them too.
 
Chariot190 said:
Joji theorizes that D4C does and Funny goes "shit maybe huh", and then alt world Kars pretty explicitly confirms that to be the case and is ******* MAD about it.
D4CU is just D4C but better (somehow, we don't know HOW it's better but it just is), so yeah it can.

This is also seemingly why they can't find find worlds with themselves with said Stand, but can loophole it to find OTHERS with that Stand.

Of course D4C can also go to pre-existing worlds and move between them too.
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So does it count as AP?
 
Unrelated but I'm working on a calcblog of JJ feats. Some of that shit is real ******* high.
Like, OPM bar the gods Standless Kars victims high.
Nemu13 said:
So does it count as AP?
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No, it's just hax, you could list it as enviromental AP but D4CU can't use that ability offensively at all. Though, it DOES mean Kars can copy ******* low 2-C shit at a literal glance so.... It's still extremely useful. Toss his ass in a match against someone with low 2-C abilities and powers, including AP ones and he'd copy that shit just fine.

Hell, he has a few 4D uni hax he's copied too, this one is just the most "yeah no dude is kinda cracked".
 
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Denji (Csm) VS Jotaro (Jjba)

Rules: - Jotaro Stardust Crusaders / Star Platinum Denji Post-Training They start 15 meters apart in Cairo, where Dio and the Stardust Crusaders fought Both are in character and are aware of each other Equal Speed Yare yare daze: Love Me Some Baddies, Can’t Get Enough: Incon:
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Chariot190 said:
Unrelated but I'm working on a calcblog of JJ feats. Some of that shit is real ******* high.
Like, OPM bar the gods Standless Kars victims high.
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Judging from how many days you calculated, I guess you calculated that Kars probably exceeds 5-C tier
 
Nemu13 said:
Judging from how many days you calculated, I guess you calculated that Kars probably exceeds 5-C tier
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It does yeah.
Also no it's just taking a bit longer because juggling other verses too. The calc is done excluding the giant fuckoff wave it makes, I could post it now but may as well slap on a few extra exatons via the wave.
 
Hello 👋 I'm interested to hear your opinions on Death Battle. In particular do you think JoJos Bizzare Adventure has been portrayed well in terms of both research and characterization.
 
Snek said:
Hello 👋 I'm interested to hear your opinions on Death Battle. In particular do you think JoJos Bizzare Adventure has been portrayed well in terms of both research and characterization.
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Lmao **** no.
Some of the calcs have been exceptionally bad too. Their Planet Wave's calc, for example, is literally just wrong. So much so apparently, they've even gone back and admitted as much with the recalc getting like a whole tier lower. And even then it's still faulty, because they picked a panel where the meteors were big, and NOT the panel where Stone Free actually deflects. This is a major oversight, as the meteors explicitly burn away as they get close, losing mass and becoming smaller, by the time they got to Jolyne, they were nearly a magnitude less in size, which, of course, would effect the result too due to lower weight.

It's just awful, not only is it bad math, but it's blatant ignorance of the actual feat itself.

And that is just ONE issue.
 
Chariot190 said:
Lmao **** no.
Some of the calcs have been exceptionally bad too. Their Planet Wave's calc, for example, is literally just wrong. So much so apparently, they've even gone back and admitted as much with the recalc getting like a whole tier lower. And even then it's still faulty, because they picked a panel where the meteors were big, and NOT the panel where Stone Free actually deflects. This is a major oversight, as the meteors explicitly burn away as they get close, losing mass and becoming smaller, by the time they got to Jolyne, they were nearly a magnitude less in size, which, of course, would effect the result too due to lower weight.

It's just awful, not only is it bad math, but it's blatant ignorance of the actual feat itself.

And that is just ONE issue.
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they ignore the LS meta that automatically makes them bad
 
Snek said:
Hello 👋 I'm interested to hear your opinions on Death Battle. In particular do you think JoJos Bizzare Adventure has been portrayed well in terms of both research and characterization.
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Pretty much all of the actual episodes they're in are pretty top tier as far as entertainment and characterization (DIO vs Alucard my beloved), but from a research perspective.....eh.

Disregarding Jotaro vs Kenshiro since that was a really old episode, they use some questionable calls and feats, like (as Chariot said) Planet Wave's meteors, as well as the whole anime-only cloud splitting feat for Dio's Space Ripper Stingy Eyes. Regardless, I still always enjoy when they get on the show, since they almost always deliver on a good time.
 
And I mean, the results are usually accurate for who wins. Kenshiro ***** on Jotaro, Jonathan beats Tanjiro, and Joker sure as hell slaughters Giorno.

I don't know what the consensus is on who should actually win between DIO and Alucard.
 
Snek said:
Hello 👋 I'm interested to hear your opinions on Death Battle. In particular do you think JoJos Bizzare Adventure has been portrayed well in terms of both research and characterization.
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Pretty much not, but it's still fun to see them. Dio Vs. Alucard is still my favorite episode of all time, for as much bullshit as they pull in it.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
And I mean, the results are usually accurate for who wins. Kenshiro ***** on Jotaro, Jonathan beats Tanjiro, and Joker sure as hell slaughters Giorno.

I don't know what the consensus is on who should actually win between DIO and Alucard.
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Just because the result is "accurate", it doesn't matter if how they got it was ass backwards and filled with misinfo.

Yeah 7 is a bigger number than 5, but getting 7 via 2+2 and 5 via 1+3 is still dumb as shit and wrong. The fact I'm still having to explain to mfs why some of the calcs and yap is exactly my point, it's essentially making shit up and those who don't know better believe it.
 
Chariot190 said:
Just because the result is "accurate", it doesn't matter if how they got it was ass backwards and filled with misinfo.

Yeah 7 is a bigger number than 5, but getting 7 via 2+2 and 5 via 1+3 is still dumb as shit and wrong. The fact I'm still having to explain to mfs why some of the calcs and yap is exactly my point, it's essentially making shit up and those who don't know better believe it.
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My point was in regards to how the presentation and representation of the episodes are top notch, and despite the bad research, the fact that the outcomes are a majority of the time right makes these episodes more tolerable. It's misinfo, but again in my opinion, combined with how these fights are some of the most fun to watch, the outcomes being "right" makes it less abhorrent.
 
It's done.
im just lazy and blogging it is effort because I ended up scaling specific axises to get a precise size for everything, like scaling salcombe to john o groats for a specific panel, so it's a handful of images but it's like 5-C.
 
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