JoJo Part 1, 2 and 3 AP upgrades

[SunDaGamer]

Tarkus slices a cliff
This calc currently uses violent fragmentation to get a result of 0.71 Tons however, we use pulverization for slicing feats that leave behind a smooth cut as is the case here.

• 42928223.684211cm3 x 214 J/cc = 9.18663987e+9 Joules, 2.2 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)

Only Post-Deep Pass Jonathan and Part 1 Dio have scaling to Tarkus as is established on their profiles.

Dio Brando's multiplier
We currently treat Will Zeppeli's statement that Dio is x5 stronger than him and Jonathan as a x5 multiplier from them individually, the scaling is currently:

• Part 1 Dio (>2 Tons) >(x5) Pre-Deep Pass Jonathan > Will Zeppeli > Jonathan's Hamonless corpse (0.4 Tons)

However, in the context of the scene Jonathan and Zeppeli had joined their hands and channeled their Hamon together to strike Dio with twice as much energy. It's then that Zeppeli says that Dio is x5 stronger than both of them (Translations vetted by Qliphoth_Bacikal). As such, Part 1 Dio should scale x5 above Pre-Deep Pass Jonathan and Zeppeli combined (>4 Tons). Lisa Lisa is accepted as being at least x3 more powerful than Post-Training Joseph which would make her >12 Tons, Kars scales to her with his Light Mode and Post-Training Joseph scales with Ultimate Hamon Overdrive. Everybody in Part 3 who downscales to 8-C+, based off of scaling below Part 1 Dio being baseline High 8-C, gets upgraded to High 8-C since Dio is x2 above the baseline now.

In other words, 8-B Part 2 JoJo is real.

Agree: @Lynieryz, @SlendVeny, @KLOL506, @Chariot190, @Hiryu-Z, @KingTempest, @MintyBoi1, @LIFE_OF_KING, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Dalesean027
Disagree:
Neutral

 

[Arceus0x]

Idk if this will be considered legit but

THE 8-B

THE 8-B IS WRRYYYYYEAAAAAAL

 

[Dalesean027]

@Chariot190 @Baken384

 

[Baken384]

Followin

 

[Lynieryz]

Agree FRA

 

[AguilaR202]

So only part 2 gets the 8-B scaling and everyone else (part 3 onwards) is roughly 2x stronger than before ?

 

[BoastJr]

Now we just need that Class G upgrade and Bada Boom we are back.

Following for now

 

[SlendVeny]

I'm agreeing all over the place.

 

[SunDaGamer]

So only part 2 gets the 8-B scaling and everyone else (part 3 onwards) is roughly 2x stronger than before ?

Everyone from Part 3 who was 8-C+ now scales below 4 Tons which puts them into High 8-C

 

[Vzearr]

Where was the high-end for the calc accepted?

 

[SunDaGamer]

Where was the high-end for the calc accepted?

The calc was just accepted without specification on the ends but the high end should be better because it uses the length of Tarkus's blade which is stated to dwarf Jonathan in size and Jonathan is given a canon height of 195 cm while the low end assumes Zeppeli is 175 cm without anything to go off of

 

[Damage3245]

Where was the high-end for the calc accepted?

Nowhere, currently, as far as I'm aware.

There would need to be a Calc Group thread with a new version of the calc to replace the current version.

 

[Vzearr]

The calc was just accepted without specification on the ends but the high end should be better because it uses the length of Tarkus's blade which is stated to dwarf Jonathan in size and Jonathan is given a canon height of 195 cm while the low end assumes Zeppeli is 175 cm without anything to go off of

Yes but the blade would be submerged into the ground meaning your pixel scaling would be a highball.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Nowhere, currently, as far as I'm aware.

There would need to be a Calc Group thread with a new version of the calc to replace the current version.

Where was the high-end for the calc accepted?

I think there was a miscommunication, the 2.2 ton calc was done on this thread by just substituting 69 J/cc (v frag) for 214 J/cc (pulv) from Chariot's already accepted calc

 

[Vzearr]

I think there was a miscommunication, the 2.2 ton calc was done on this thread by just substituting 69 J/cc (v frag) for 214 J/cc (pulv) from Chariot's already accepted calc

Yeah but the calc in this thread assumes his high end was accepted.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yes but the blade would be submerged into the ground meaning your pixel scaling would be a highball.

Only the tip of it was submerged in the rock, the whole blade dwarfs 195 cm

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yeah but the calc in this thread assumes his high end was accepted.

The 0.71 tons end is listed on the verse page and the CRT to accept it happened here

JoJo's Bizarre Adventures: Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability CRT (Part 1 to 6)

Hello fellas. This is the major JoJo's CRT. This thread is meant to correct some scaling, since basically, 99% of the verse is scaling to only one feat, and this feats comes from one of the strongest characters, so it's obvious that this is wrong. I'v calculated a lot of feats with @Chariot190...

vsbattles.com

 

[Damage3245]

The 0.71 tons end is listed on the verse page and the CRT to accept it happened here

What they mean is that the High End version of using Pulverization hasn't been evaluated by any Calc Group Members. Can't just be something accepted in a CRT.

 

[Vzearr]

Only the tip of it was submerged in the rock, the whole blade dwarfs 195 cm

Yes but it still leads to an inflated number in the end, making it weird to use imo.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I chose the end of the calc when I did it since nobody gave a ****.

 

[M3X_2.0]

It’s in the verse page

Jack tears up a tunnel: 8-C (0.36 Tons)

 

[M3X_2.0]

I don’t remember the chapter or the events from Phantom Blood anymore.

 

[KLOL506]

Looks good at a glance. Both the calc and the scaling. God bless 8-B JoJo's triumphant return.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yes but it still leads to an inflated number in the end, making it weird to use imo.

Yeah no, we can tell based on how the blade curves that only its tip was submerged. Using 195 cm is a lowball because the blade is meant to dwarf 195 cm.

 

[CBslayeR]

Looks good at a glance. Both the calc and the scaling. God bless 8-B JoJo's triumphant return.

finally we can have SP maul homelander

 

[SunDaGamer]

finally we can have SP maul homelander

SP's scaling doesn't change since only Part 2 receives 8-B upgrades

 

[Baken384]

Now we just need that Class G upgrade and Bada Boom we are back.

Need this more than ever to dust Joseph..

 

[Chariot190]

I went off and wrote a huge ass wall of text with scans saying why Will is ******* fodder and Jonathan is below Tarkus so scaling Dio x5 Tarkus' feat x2 is ass, then I realized that ain't what happening here

So, are we just saying Kars and Lisa Lisa are baseline 8-B? If so, yeah that should be fine, planned on making her 8-B awhile now actually. There's another line of scaling that would enable it too.

I guess I can agree with this and then set up a more solid foundation for it with a few extra supporting calcs when I'm done the Part 1/2 CRT (there's a few extra decent feats, two of which well into 8-C and one even 8-C+, which might be required given Will IS kinda fodder, idk how much his ass is actually contributing to the 5x shit, given Jonathan and Will aren't equal but eh, this should be fine for now).

 

[Chariot190]

also dont we use shear strength for cutting feats or does that not apply here

 

[KLOL506]

also dont we use shear strength for cutting feats or does that not apply here

No, we don't anymore.

We use blade edge thickness (Or rather, Blade thickness in this case given its gargantuan size) * length of the cut * width/depth of the cut * destruction value of the material now.

 

[SunDaGamer]

I went off and wrote a huge ass wall of text with scans saying why Will is ******* fodder and Jonathan is below Tarkus so scaling Dio x5 Tarkus' feat x2 is ass, then I realized that ain't what happening here

So, are we just saying Kars and Lisa Lisa are baseline 8-B? If so, yeah that should be fine, planned on making her 8-B awhile now actually. There's another line of scaling that would enable it too.

Yeah, they have to scale to 8-B in our current scaling if Part 1 Dio is 4 Tons, Joseph with Ultimate Hamon Overdrive has to be 8-B too

I guess I can agree with this and then set up a more solid foundation for it with a few extra supporting calcs when I'm done the Part 1/2 CRT (there's a few extra decent feats, two of which well into 8-C and one even 8-C+

I've heard Jack the Ripper's tunnel feat might yield something decent with a recalc.

Will IS kinda fodder, idk how much his ass is actually contributing to the 5x shit

Will should be at least 0.4 Tons based on Jonathan's literal Hamonless corpse tanking a 0.4 Ton explosion so Part 1 Dio being 4 Tons by applying a x5 multiplier on Pre-DP Jonathan + Will should be fine. Plus Jonathan stating that they'd strike Dio with twice as much energy also supports applying the x5 mult to their combined value of 0.8 Tons.

 

[Chariot190]

No, we don't anymore.

We use blade edge thickness (Or rather, Blade thickness in this case given its gargantuan size) * length of the cut * width/depth of the cut * destruction value of the material now.

Got it, then yeah

Will should be 0.4 Tons based on Jonathan's literal Hamonless corpse tanking a 0.4 Ton explosion so Part 1 Dio being 4 Tons by applying a x5 multiplier on Pre-DP Jonathan + Will should be fine.

It's fine for now, but I really don't like "should be" scaling and the fact you said it twice in that sentence is a bit ehhh, I'd prefer hard scaling. This will need to be sorted out and given a better foundation in the future, but ultimately it wouldn't change Kars and Lisa being baseline so shrug.

Plus Jonathan stating that they'd strike Dio with twice as much energy also supports applying the x5 mult to their combined value of 0.8 Tons.

All Jonathan says is, "Zeppeli and I will both send our Hamon into Dio! We'll strike him with double Hamon energies".
Which just tells us, yeah, Will and Jonathan are both attacking, at the same time, hence double Hamon energies. It doesn't tell us Will is on par with Jonathan because he isnt, like, very blatantly aint as strong as Jonathan is at this point in the story.
Unless you just meant, Dio is 5x both, in which case, yeah,


He do say that

Anyway, 4.007525822972 tons for Post and Dio is fine, and 12.022577468916t for Kars, Lisa and Ult Overdrive.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Which just tells us, yeah, Will and Jonathan are both attacking, at the same time, hence double Hamon energies. It doesn't tell us Will is on par with Jonathan because he isnt, like, very blatantly aint as strong as Jonathan is at this point in the story.

I mean Pre-Deep Pass Jonathan already scales above 0.4 Tons since that's just the durability of his corpse after he couldn't use Hamon anymore so Zeppeli being 0.4 Tons doesn't necessarily posit him as being completely on par with Pre-DP Jonathan

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah I get you, there's a bit of nuance to that tho but eh, that shit won't be done for like half a year so no point worrying about it right now, especially when it ultimately wouldn't change the conclusion.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Part 2 lovers stay winning????

 

[SlendVeny]

Part 2 lovers stay winning????

Lovers was Part 3.

 

[Baken384]

mfs be like "8-b is back...!"
but this is not the 8-B we want

 

[SlendVeny]

mfs be like "8-b is back...!"
but this is not the 8-B we want

Soon...

 

[Hiryu-Z]

Agree FRA

 

[KingTempest]

Nice