Yeah, this is some really ordinary stuff too.No way this thread went on for over half a year bumping only
At the moment, Santana scales to Early Jospeph at At least High Hypersonic, possibly higher. Are you suggesting that the higher in this chain be replaced with MFTL?
He's explicitly stated to be superior to vampires such as Part 1 Dio, I assume he isn't slower. He was also pretty casually keeping up with Joseph, like Dio was with Zeppeli and Jonathan
The food chain thing isn't meant to be taken as scaling btw, by that same logic Joseph would be inferior to Straizo, it's just listing off known examples and speaking in general terms, like obviously yeah Santana eats vampires like Dio, and vampires like Dio eat humans like Joseph, but that doesn't mean Joseph is weaker than every vampire despite being used as an example of a human that is eaten by vampires like Straizo. There are other ways to go about scaling, but the food chain thing def ain't it nor is it even meant to be taken as such.
Make a CRT to take it off the profiles then.
I was just using that as a bonus, since he was very clearly clowning on him and the group of soldiers.
The sun isnt Hamon. And Joseph uses Hamon, it's apart of him, he isnt weaker than him with Hamon, and we see later on when he's actually nearly out of Hamon he can fend off vampires still.
I am? Have been for awhile, overhauling all of Part 1 and 2 and making a Hamon page as well. There's perfectly acceptable and straightforward statements that put dudes above Dio, that, this not one of them tho.
I mean that's a bit of an issue too, if Joseph can keep up with Santana, despite not being on par with Deep Pass Jonathan (he's above Post Training Jonathan, but he's below Deep Pass. At least in function anyway, he has just as much power as Caesar but cant use it properly), who is equal to Dio, dont you think that might be an issue?
jotaro rework first then those fodders ngl
Yeah yeah youll ******* get it first, they probably dropping more around may or june or whenever i decide to buy a copy of jojo mag 1.
Hamon is the Sun's energy, and fending off doesn't mean the same thing as beating. And note that you said NEARLY.
We currently use it though, so as long as we do, it should also apply to speed.
Jonathan is 0.4 tons as a corpse. Speedwagon is Hypersonic. Dio doesnt scale below those.
Ok. Sure. I'd love a Hamon page.
He couldn't really keep up tbh, and Santana had literally just woken up. Besides, you had the likes of Dire managing to react to Dio iirc, and I feel like they probably scale way below him.
Yeah, him reacting is a bit odd, but was Santana really serious?
Hamon actually very explicitly ISNT the sun's energy what? It mimics the sun's wavelengths, yes, by they don't mean it is LITERALLY sun energy,it doesn't come from the sun, it's life energy, Will explains this very clearly at the pond 1 week into training Jonathan.
"it's wrong but because the profiles say it ill use it anyway", or, maybe, you can just not use extremely faulty scaling and instead aim for something more solid?
Yes he does? His best feats lower, and he has no reason to scale to anything above that without delving into crack scaling (and why the hell is Speedwagon hypersonic anyway?). I mean, Will himself is struggling to be hypersonic (had trouble dodging explosion speed debris), and he BLITZED and nothin personnel'd Jonathan when they met, and Jonathan = Human Dio. They're evidently far below a dude who is capping at hypersonic by his own admission.
Except the multiple times he dodged attacks and even cross-countered him? If Santana was as fast as you're implying, he would be like a million times quicker than Joseph, given Joseph ~> Week 2 Jonathan < Tarkus (blitz) < Dio.
Literally doesnt matter, we see with Kars, Wham and so on waking up doesn't somehow nerf them a bunch, especially not Santana who Stroheim made sure to feed. And he actually hadn't, he was up for a while before Joseph showed up.
No? Straizo literally never engaged Dio at all? Only Dire did, and he exploded, and Jonathan, who was equal to him.
He was actively trying to kill Joseph, especially at the end, and Joseph and him cross-countered, Joseph was way weaker so his arm nearly got blown off, but he DID react to him.
If you want it taken off the profiles, have it taken off the profiles. I wouldn't disagree with it. But for as long as it's there, we ball.
What part of LITERALLY doing that did you miss? Maybe you like to half-ass CRT's but I like mine to actually be solid.
Only one character is being proposed as MFTL. If we want him to scale below that, I propose we remove the AP Dio scaling from the profiles of the Pillar Men. Although, to be fair, I think only Esidisi relies in that scaling, besides the obvious one. I'll maybe make a CRT to remove that after this one is over.
Except, that isn't what would happen, Joseph scales, anyone who scales to Joseph scales, this makes a problematic circular scaling that 180s back into dudes that Dio straight up blitzes, scaling to him.
Also no, the big 3 actually have explicit statements saying they eclipse Dio, not to mention actual scaling between each other via all fighting Post-Training Joseph, hell Wham himself even wounds Kars with a kick and slices his shoulder.
I was just saying I'd make a CRT to remove the food chain after this one is over. Esidisi has "superior to all vampires" as his main scaling, rather than "comparable to X"
