JoJo AP Revision Pt. 2

[Dargoo_Faust]

Previous Thread for Reference: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2194586

So, now that we have a proper thread to lay out what's going on, I'll actually highlight this.

To summarize;

• 8-B JoJo is an outlier due to far more consistent 9-A and 8-C feats. That said, the only 8-B feat that can be used to scale, this one, incorrectly assumed that Dio and Jonathan were in the epicenter of the blast, which actually makes a large difference, as Prof re-calced the feat here to 9-A, leaving only one non-scaleable feat from Red Hot Chilli Peppers as the last vestige of 8-B JoJo.

• Similarly, the High 8-C feat of Avdol vaporizing dirt is incorrect, as it directly contradicts a statement from Joseph saying they dug the hole, and it doesn't match up with visuals (Only the wooden planks of of the railroad track are burnt and smoking, the dirt doesn't look like it touched fire at all).

• While there is an arbitrary and overly beurocratic rule about not adding + modifiers without calcs, Tarkus is only a fraction away from 8-C via his own calced feat, and common sense dictates that people who are massively stronger than him such as Dio should at least by 8-C+ seeing as who they scale from is right on the line.

• 8-C is the new ranking of the verse, supported by Tarkus' feat and Jolyne deflecting asteroids, although see the above post about Post-Deep Pass Overdrive characters ranking at 8-C+.

• Prof is also doing another revision here , although we should wait until our discussion is finished on AP/Dura before we jump to that.
• Apparently there was a mistranslation in Kars' statement about being stronger than Joseph. He actually said "hundreds", meaning 200x is the baseline multiplier for him.

 

[DMUA]

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Also again

Jotaro breathing gg

 

[DMB_1]

First
Also again

Jotaro breathing gg

He could have just swallowed Dio whole by breathing-in.

Kirby ain't nothing compared to Jotaro

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

They were in the epicenter, is just that the feat itself is an outlier.

They weren't; Prof already calced with how far they were in mind, and it came out as 9-A.

Link is in the OP.

 

[GreyFang82]

First
Also again

Jotaro breathing gg

That face when your smoking addiction is stronger than your literal soul

 

[DMUA]

Not to mention, as plot holed as it is, they lived via getting into the coffin, not having Jonathan's dead body tank the blast and crawl in later.

 

[DMUA]

That face when your smoking addiction is stronger than your literal soul

dying DMUA noises in the background

 

[Standuser081]

Would it be fine if somebody calc this feat?

 

[KLOL506]

I remember 8-B also coming from a cliff feat in Part 2 (Wamuu collapsing a cliff) and Part 3 (Part 3 being the Wheel of Fortune one).

 

[Genericstickman]

Are their any feats in Thus Spoke Rohan Keshibe?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

We also can't forget Kira's explosion feat in part 8 which scales to a good number of people since Daimo survived it

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I remember 8-B also coming from a cliff feat in Part 2 and Part 3 (Part 3 being the Wheel of Fortune one).

Wheel of Fortune feat got smacked. We're not using it anymore.

 

[DMUA]

bump

I'm betting you got on the wrong thread

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Would it be fine if somebody calc this feat?

That too. Kaleb AI calc'd it before, but I suppose we should have one of our people do it

 

[Standuser081]

I have a question. If a miracle comes and we somehow find another 8-B feat, would this downgrade be stopped?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I have a question. If a miracle comes and we somehow find another 8-B feat, would this downgrade be stopped?

Find one or 2 more than consistently scale to a good number of people, then most likely

 

[Torlikoff]

Are their any feats in Thus Spoke Rohan Keshibe?

Even if there are I'd doubt they'd scale to anyone given how non-physical Heaven's Door is.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

If you thought of fights in jojo being abstract, then Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe is even more abtract than that. The difference between how strange Rohan spin off is to main series jojo, is the difference between jojo and Dragon Ball in strangeness.

Thus Spoke Rohan Kishine features such memorable fights as: Rohan and Tonio vs Shallow Water Molusks, Rude Guy vs his stunt double and a headless spirit of eternal damnation, Woman trying to not spill blood on the floor, Rohan and crowd vs Cellphones and Electrical bug things, and high stakes Cotillion

 

[The_Smashor]

I'm actually kinda happy this is happening. It lets JJBA have more matches. 8-C is a much more common tier that 8-B.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If someone can bring forward more 8-B feats, that would be fantastic.

So far all we have is a non-scaleable feat from RHCP. I've seen other feats thrown around here but no links or blog posts I could find, so that's hot air unless someone links me to an accepted calc.

Also the breathing calc isn't even accepted, although I strongly doubt it scales to anything. I'd call it Environmental Destruction but then I'd get three or four people say "ED is going too far" among other phrases such as "the sky is falling" and "Goku vs. Superman".

 

[Standuser081]

If it is accepted, I think it may scale to The World since, y'know, same stands.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I found a feat in the Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe manga of a guy who can a cause people to get hit by trains due to having a heart problems

Doesn't scale to anyone but I thought it was worth mentioning

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Also the breathing calc isn't even accepted, although I strongly doubt it scales to anything. I'd call it Environmental Destruction but then I'd get three or four people say "ED is going too far" among other phrases such as "the sky is falling" and "Goku vs. Superman".

visible confusio

 

[DMUA]

I mean, he's physically doing it

With his lungs

Which are muscles

It ain't ED, though I guess you could argue it being something like Alucard's 8-B TK and 9-A stats

 

[Chartate101]

Even if it scales to no else, it 100% scales to Za Warudo

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Chartate, Yeah, Za Warudo would have 8-B environmental destruction as well.

For the last time, Lungs aren't muscles.

And last time I checked you can't punch someone with your lungs.

It ain't ED, though I guess you could argue it being something like Alucard's 8-B TK and 9-A stats

Alucard can use his TK to harm people.

Star Platinum has never breathed in air to harm someone, not like that's something that's logically posible.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Jesus christ. I just read the most recent Thus Spoke Rohan Kishine chapter I could find. You guys know about that running joke about the pillar men being "Aztec Gods of Fitness"?

Araki heard, and Rohan goes up against Hermes, who is apparently the Greek God of fitness. He has a wall level feat I think

http://************.com/chapter/kishibe_rohan_wa_ugokanai/chapter_9

 

[The_Calaca]

Best punch ever.

Well as DMUA said we could put it like Alucard's TK.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Best punch ever.
Well as DMUA said we could put it like Alucard's TK.

Sigh.

"Alucard can use his TK to harm people.

Star Platinum has never breathed in air to harm someone, not like that's something that's logically posible."

He can't use the energy he used in that breathing technique to harm other people. It's the dictionary definition of Environmental Destruction.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I'd call it Environmental Destruction but then I'd get three or four people say "ED is going too far" among other phrases such as "the sky is falling" and "Goku vs. Superman".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmOzXI7GyDA&t=3m19s

 

[The_Calaca]

I'm talking about a limited breath absorption. Like he can inhale things with this power.

 

[DMUA]

It ain't ED, though I guess you could argue it being something like Alucard's 8-B TK and 9-A stats

Alucard can use his TK to harm people.

Star Platinum has never breathed in air to harm someone, not like that's something that's logically posible.

Alucard has literally only used TK to throw people onto flagpoles and bring in his Blood from across the city, not once has he actually slammed someone onto the ground with TK

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'm talking about a limited breath absorption. Like he can inhale things with this power.

Yeah, I can agree with that.

But it wouldn't scale to anyone's physical strength.

 

[The_Calaca]

Just Za Warudo scales. It's more like a defense against gaseous substances.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I disagree with 8-C+, we don't use that logic anywhere else and it shouldn't be applied here. That said, aside from that this looks okay.

I said ages ago the 8-B calcs were wrong but nobody listens to me so who cares

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

"We don't use logic" sums up the whole 8-C+ issue to me.

If we want to be that arbitrary about it when we even have a calc that's ridiculously close to the borderline and people scale up much farther than that, whatever.

And we use that logic all the time, just to say. There are plenty of verses that can scale up from X Tier+ to the next tier via scaling.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

We could just say that he's stronger than 8-C+ whenever it's mentioned.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

hey, uhh

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheJ-ManRequiem/JJBA:_Planet_Waves'_Meteors.

yall know MCB jojo exists, right?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I see nothing there.