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Johnny Test vs Nonon Jakuzure: Battle of the Midgets

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DaReaperMan said:
He can't move while teleporting and seemingly not while attacking either most of which are half a second start ups. Also danamaku is a bitch to dodge especially when on Nonon's level of it.
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Ok? Like I said before many times, the point never was that Johnny can teleport and attack at the same time. Since they were instances where he doesn't need to quickly put his arms down (which should not take anymore than a second), he'll have no problem dodging it.

Once again, Nonon lost in canon to Ryuko because of Flight alone. What do you think is going to happen when she faces someone who flies and TP spams in character?
 
referring to them by nicknames instead of their actual names. Out of all of them, she seems to tease Sanageyama the most, calling him a monkey.

🤔
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Ok? Like I said before many times, the point never was that Johnny can teleport and attack at the same time. Since they were instances where he doesn't need to quickly put his arms down (which should not take anymore than a second), he'll have no problem dodging it.

Once again, Nonon lost in canon to Ryuko because of Flight alone. What do you think is going to happen when she faces someone who flies and TP spams in character?
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Except the argument your putting forward pretty much requires both. Not like Nonon is hard of danmaku considering she can attack behind herself, she did it with Ryuko when the ladder could fly and was actually going for that weak spot your relying on test exploiting. And don't know about you but I'm pretty sure Ryuko also wasn't at a 2x disadvantage.

Ryuko also had a lot of issues even when she could fly and her start up times on her attacks aren't as sluggish as Test's here.
MonkeyOfLife said:
referring to them by nicknames instead of their actual names. Out of all of them, she seems to tease Sanageyama the most, calling him a monkey.

🤔
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Yes, a teasing compliment!
 
Said mobility that Nonon also could deal with pretty damn well even if she lost plus the fact that Test hasn't actually dealt with Danmaku at all to my knowledge.

Also Random, remember when we said we'd stop debating with eachother and let the people decide? Lol
 
You mean that's meant as a diss?
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DaReaperMan said:
Except the argument your putting forward pretty much requires both. Not like Nonon is hard of danmaku considering she can attack behind herself, she did it with Ryuko when the ladder could fly and was actually going for that weak spot your relying on test exploiting. And don't know about you but I'm pretty sure Ryuko also wasn't at a 2x disadvantage.

Ryuko also had a lot of issues even when she could fly and her start up times on her attacks aren't as sluggish as Test's here.

Yes, a teasing compliment!
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She still lost. Nonon was still greatly struggling against Ryuko when she gained the ability to fly. Remind you again, Ryuko only had flight. Imagine if Ryuko gained the ability to Teleport😬. She already lost to someone in canon who can only fly. She's now facing someone who can fly and Teleport. She's literally screwed.

Johnny's a much smaller target than Ryuko, so when Johnny's running circles around Nonon, she'll have a harder time landing a good hit. Plus, Ryuko and that moment just gained the ability to fly. She wasn't very experienced using it.
MonkeyOfLife said:
You mean that's meant as a diss?
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100%.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Said mobility that Nonon also could deal with pretty damn well even if she lost plus the fact that Test hasn't actually dealt with Danmaku at all to my knowledge.

Also Random, remember when we said we'd stop debating with eachother and let the people decide? Lol
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And Nonon hasn't dealt with someone that uses Toon Force in combat, TP spams, has better range, more versatility, and more.

Yeah, that comment didn't age well.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
She still lost. Nonon was still greatly struggling against Ryuko when she gained the ability to fly. Remind you again, Ryuko only had flight. Imagine if Ryuko gained the ability to Teleport😬. She already lost to someone in canon who can only fly. She's now facing someone who can fly and Teleport. She's literally screwed.

Johnny's a much smaller target than Ryuko, so when Johnny's running circles around Nonon, she'll have a harder time landing a good hit. Plus, Ryuko and that moment just gained the ability to fly. She wasn't very experienced using it.

100%.
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teleportation takes like a second to get off
implying that's enough to actually gain any advantage at mach 5 without Test getting hurt enough to get through his High-Low regen
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If Johnny's just running circles and not attacking then he's ripe in position to get blasted. Hard.

It's danmaku, that's implying landing a good hit is hard at all. Especially if test has never dealt with Danmaku before.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
And Nonon hasn't dealt with someone that uses Toon Force in combat, TP spams, has better range, more versatility, and more.

Yeah, that comment didn't age well.
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Range which attacks with slow startup, teleportation that once again takes awhile to actually get into teleporting, versatility that doesn't matter cause Johnny already spams his far slower to start up attacks and motility in this key, and toon force that doesn't much matter when Johnny is damaged through his regen.
 
DaReaperMan said:
If Johnny's just running circles and not attacking then he's ripe in position to get blasted. Hard.

It's danmaku, that's implying landing a good hit is hard at all. Especially if test has never dealt with Danmaku before.
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He'll obviously won't be teleporting the whole time. He's going to attack when he finds a good opening. Take this as an example. Due to Ryuko flying, Nonon lost sight of her. Johnny can do that exact same thing and attack her out of Nonon's sight with range. Like, how is Nonon beating something she lost to in canon?
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
He'll obviously won't be teleporting the whole time. He's going to attack when he finds a good opening. Take this as an example. Due to Ryuko flying, Nonon lost sight of her. Johnny can do that exact same thing and attack her out of Nonon's sight with range. Like, how is Nonon beating something she lost to in canon?
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implying Johnny's teleportation isn't telegraphed to the point where he can easily be knocked out of it.
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also implying Johnny has enough of an AP advantage to get through Nonon's forcefield without her being able to just shoot him.
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DaReaperMan said:
Range which attacks with slow startup, teleportation that once again takes awhile to actually get into teleporting, versatility that doesn't matter cause Johnny already spams his far slower to start up attacks and motility in this key, and toon force that doesn't much matter when Johnny is damaged through his regen.
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Power Poots takes a couple of seconds to do, so kinda. Johnny can cause friction with his hands to create Tornado arms, or he can just clap his hands, which sends out a massive Tornado. Clapping your hands once takes no more than a second to do, so this is not a slow startup. Even if it was slow, Johnny can just get out of Nonon's sight and attack then.

Teleportation doesn't take more than a second. Putting your arms down takes no more than a second. They were instances as well where Johnny doesn't even need to put his arms down. He can even teleport others. How is Nonon countering this?

Versatility definitely matters here. Johnny can use Super Breath to freeze Nonon or that giant ass thing on her back, or he can use Body Control which can avoid head shots, that will definitely come in clutch.

Toon Force can make you survive things that will normally kill or knockout a human being or anyone without Toon Force or good Regen like it's nothing. Here's a perfect explanation of Toon Force. Plus, you're completely ignoring Pain Tolerance.
 
"implying Johnny's teleportation isn't telegraphed to the point where he can easily be knocked out of it."
He's knocked getting knocked out of it. Like, at all. Nonon will have no idea where Test will be at when he teleports, due to her having blind spots.

"also implying Johnny has enough of an AP advantage to get through Nonon's forcefield without her being able to just shoot him."
Johnny can bypass Force Fields with teleporting. So then Nonon will be confused, since she won't know where he's at. And I forgot to mention that Nonon is very overconfident, so seeing a 11 year old boy playing dress up means that Nonon won't take this fight seriously initially. Plus, she gets pissed when the battle doesn't go her way. This will make her think irrationally, so then Johnny can capitalize off of that.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Power Poots takes a couple of seconds to do, so kinda. Johnny can cause friction with his hands to create Tornado arms, or he can just clap his hands, which sends out a massive Tornado. Clapping your hands once takes no more than a second to do, so this is not a slow startup. Even if it was slow, Johnny can just get out of Nonon's sight and attack then.

Teleportation doesn't take more than a second. Putting your arms down takes no more than a second. They were instances as well where Johnny doesn't even need to put his arms down. He can even teleport others. How is Nonon countering this?

Versatility definitely matters here. Johnny can use Super Breath to freeze Nonon or that giant ass thing on her back, or he can use Body Control which can avoid head shots, that will definitely come in clutch.

Toon Force can make you survive things that will normally kill or knockout a human being or anyone without Toon Force or good Regen like it's nothing. Here's a perfect explanation of Toon Force. Plus, you're completely ignoring Pain Tolerance.
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He sometimes starts it with a clap. Most of the time it seems he relies on elasticity it seems.

Standing still, and glowing green then teleporting is easy to knock Johnny out of. Like really easy. Like, Johnny can't dodge getting a couple dozen notes more then enough to at least injure him through his regen easily.

And would he do this instead of his elasticity start up which takes about half a second? Nice body control, head shots. Which Nonon doesn't go for it seems.

Get thy hand away from thy crotch, stop cross-scaling, and show one true time Johnny escaped being injured through toon force. More then his normal regen could handle. I don't care what other characters do with toon force, I care what Johnny does with it.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
"implying Johnny's teleportation isn't telegraphed to the point where he can easily be knocked out of it."
He's knocked getting knocked out of it. Like, at all. Nonon will have no idea where Test will be at when he teleports, due to her having blind spots.

"also implying Johnny has enough of an AP advantage to get through Nonon's forcefield without her being able to just shoot him."
Johnny can bypass Force Fields with teleporting. So then Nonon will be confused, since she won't know where he's at. And I forgot to mention that Nonon is very overconfident, so seeing a 11 year old boy playing dress up means that Nonon won't take this fight seriously initially. Plus, she gets pissed when the battle doesn't go her way. This will make her think irrationally, so then Johnny can capitalize off of that.
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He's glowing green before he teleports and has to stand still while doing it. I think beating his ass to where he's not standing is gonna knock him out of teleporting.

Oh, you mean like 99.99999999% of her verse? Non-argument. Johnny's teleportation is too slow to be reliable here. Non-argument. It very easily will go her way because Johnny just lacks ways where he won't get hit outside of literally flying at her which would cause her to follow the simple art of aiming.
 
DaReaperMan said:
He sometimes starts it with a clap. Most of the time it seems he relies on elasticity it seems.

Standing still, and glowing green then teleporting is easy to knock Johnny out of. Like really easy. Like, Johnny can't dodge getting a couple dozen notes more then enough to at least injure him through his regen easily.

And would he do this instead of his elasticity start up which takes about half a second? Nice body control, head shots. Which Nonon doesn't go for it seems.

Get thy hand away from thy crotch, stop cross-scaling, and show one true time Johnny escaped being injured through toon force. More then his normal regen could handle. I don't care what other characters do with toon force, I care what Johnny does with it.
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When Johnny's at a long enough range from the opponent, he then uses the clap. He even did it straight up close before. But he tends to use Elasticity part when up close. But what's the point in doing that if you're facing a big ass target. Johnny's smart enough to know that he probably shouldn't use the one with less range.

Ok, now you're just exaggerating. Johnny and Nonon are meters to possibly kilometers away in this fight most of the time due to their fighting styles. Johnny has plenty of time to teleport. Which gives Johnny many opportunities to attack Nonon then teleport after, leaving Nonon to guess and choose where to aim at. Sooner or later, Nonon will get overwhelmed.

"So with characters that have toonforce, when they get hit with something that would kill/knockout a normal person in that scenario (say, an anvil falling on their head or being hit with a bat), one of three things happen:
  1. They become dizzy with stars above their heads
  2. They gain giant bumps on their head and become dizzy
  3. Both things happen"
This applies to many characters with Toon Force. Including Johnny. These are things moth characters with Toon Force has.
 
DaReaperMan said:
He's glowing green before he teleports and has to stand still while doing it. I think beating his ass to where he's not standing is gonna knock him out of teleporting.

Oh, you mean like 99.99999999% of her verse? Non-argument. Johnny's teleportation is too slow to be reliable here. Non-argument. It very easily will go her way because Johnny just lacks ways where he won't get hit outside of literally flying at her which would cause her to follow the simple art of aiming.
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Already explained the TP part.

Dude. There's a difference between getting mad, but remaining calm and collected, and getting completely pissed and irrational because something didn't go your way. This applies to Nonon, and definitely Ryuko since she has a very short temper.
 
Again, Nonon lost to someone who could fly in canon. She's now facing someone who can fly and teleport. How is she beating something she lost to and then some?
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
When Johnny's at a long enough range from the opponent, he then uses the clap. He even did it straight up close before. But he tends to use Elasticity part when up close. But what's the point in doing that if you're facing a big ass target. Johnny's smart enough to know that he probably shouldn't use the one with less range.

Ok, now you're just exaggerating. Johnny and Nonon are meters to possibly kilometers away in this fight most of the time due to their fighting styles. Johnny has plenty of time to teleport. Which gives Johnny many opportunities to attack Nonon then teleport after, leaving Nonon to guess and choose where to aim at. Sooner or later, Nonon will get overwhelmed.

"So with characters that have toonforce, when they get hit with something that would kill/knockout a normal person in that scenario (say, an anvil falling on their head or being hit with a bat), one of three things happen:
  1. They become dizzy with stars above their heads
  2. They gain giant bumps on their head and become dizzy
  3. Both things happen"
This applies to many characters with Toon Force. Including Johnny. These are things moth characters with Toon Force has.
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Cool, gets forcefielded or reflected.

Johnny takes, I repeat, at least half a second to a second of glowing green before he actually teleports. With several kilometers of range on it he'd literally be better off running to cross the distance as long as he could actually make it there faster then teleporting. He also has to stand still to teleport. He's getting a whole bunch of notes put right into his chest if not better danmaku.

And how does this character stack up to test in stats? Are they 2x superior with at least a few dozen attacks hitting him? No, they only hit him once. There's a line between wanking with toon force and being reasonable with it. Your wanking with it here.
RandomGuy2345 said:
Again, Nonon lost to someone who could fly in canon. She's now facing someone who can fly and teleport. How is she beating something she lost to and then some?
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Because your wanking test here in both the amount of time he takes to teleport and his toon force. Also Test has worse regeneration and pain tolorance then Ryūko whom was being nearly killed by Nonon.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Cool, gets forcefielded or reflected.

Johnny takes, I repeat, at least half a second to a second of glowing green before he actually teleports. With several kilometers of range on it he'd literally be better off running to cross the distance as long as he could actually make it there faster then teleporting. He also has to stand still to teleport. He's getting a whole bunch of notes put right into his chest if not better danmaku.

And how does this character stack up to test in stats? Are they 2x superior with at least a few dozen attacks hitting him? No, they only hit him once. There's a line between wanking with toon force and being reasonable with it. Your wanking with it here.

Because your wanking test here in both the amount of time he takes to teleport and his toon force. Also Test has worse regeneration and pain tolorance then Ryūko whom was being nearly killed by Nonon.
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Valid. But Johnny, once again, has many ways of bypassing this. He simply can just teleport and find an opening there, and since SBA rules state that the maximum starting distance is 4 kilometers, Johnny will have more than enough time to do so. Nonon has Hundreds of Meters. She's not reaching Johnny unless she gets closer.

For teleportation, refer to the point above. Fight starts 4 kilometers away. Nonon has Hundreds of Meters for range. Johnny has Several Kilometers. Guess who that benefits more here.

Even if we completely remove teleportation from the fight, Nonon still lost to someone with only flight. She will still greatly struggle. 2.2x advantage isn't much. Overwhelming someone who is 2.2x stronger will hurt them. I've discussed about this in the Johnny vs Gene thread. Johnny is over 3x stronger than Gene. However, if Gene kept on overwhelming Johnny with crazy combos, Johnny's going to get hurt, and it will do damage.

When tf did I wank Johnny's Toon Force here? I never compared him to Toon characters like Bugs Bunny or Spongebob Squarepants, I literally took someone's quote to show you what most users of Toon Force has. I even gave you an example of Johnny having that exact same thing. Did you not read.

Once again, Ryuko didn't use regeneration to win. Heck, she didn't even use it the whole battle. To kill someone with High-Mid, you have to turn someone to ashes or vaporize them iirc. If Nonon was able to do that, that means Nonon is stronger, which she's not. They're both comparable at the time. She lost to Ryuko not because of regeneration. But because of flight, something Johnny has. Plus teleportation. Nonon. Is. Screwed.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Valid. But Johnny, once again, has many ways of bypassing this. He simply can just teleport and find an opening there, and since SBA rules state that the maximum starting distance is 4 kilometers, Johnny will have more than enough time to do so. Nonon has Hundreds of Meters. She's not reaching Johnny unless she gets closer.

For teleportation, refer to the point above. Fight starts 4 kilometers away. Nonon has Hundreds of Meters for range. Johnny has Several Kilometers. Guess who that benefits more here.

Even if we completely remove teleportation from the fight, Nonon still lost to someone with only flight. She will still greatly struggle. 2.2x advantage isn't much. Overwhelming someone who is 2.2x stronger will hurt them. I've discussed about this in the Johnny vs Gene thread. Johnny is over 3x stronger than Gene. However, if Gene kept on overwhelming Johnny with crazy combos, Johnny's going to get hurt, and it will do damage.

When tf did I wank Johnny's Toon Force here? I never compared him to Toon characters like Bugs Bunny or Spongebob Squarepants, I literally took someone's quote to show you what most users of Toon Force has. I even gave you an example of Johnny having that exact same thing. Did you not read.

Once again, Ryuko didn't use regeneration to win. Heck, she didn't even use it the whole battle. To kill someone with High-Mid, you have to turn someone to ashes or vaporize them iirc. If Nonon was able to do that, that means Nonon is stronger, which she's not. They're both comparable at the time. She lost to Ryuko not because of regeneration. But because of flight, something Johnny has. Plus teleportation. Nonon. Is. Screwed.
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Once again, Nonon is moving at mach 5, more then fast enough to catch Johnny doing anything that isn't literally clapping. Mach 7 can cross 100 miles or 160 kilometers in 1.5 seconds. 4 kilometers is a literal joke for Nonon to get into range even at hundreds of meters of range considering she's moving at mach 5.

Teleportation is once again too god damn slow. This fight would have to take place at like 30 kilometers apart for it to be fast enough.

Your arguments for the rest are "why can't Johnny win if Nonon lost to flight in-verse". Because my dear debater, Johnny needs to get past her passive forcefield that covers her whole body, which means Johnny can't even teleport into it. And all of his shit can easily be reflected right the piss back at him.

Your wanking it by saying hell get away from dozens of hits without damage. That's the wank, Johnny's toon force is literally worthless unless Nonon somehow only hits him once.

Then I'll have this closed for spite an you just farming wins for Johnny. Capice?
 
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