We don’t exploit a particular aspect of it into the NLF territory. Johnny can be knocked out, perhaps not as easily as the show implies at times, but knocked out regardless.
I did not mean that Johnny can't be knocked out (well technically I did say that, but I should have worded it better, sorry) I just said that given Johnny's habit of being bumped on the noggin and his toonforce, I find it extremly unlikely that Johnny will be able to be knocked out easily in just a few hits, much less be knocked out for for the whole hour necassary for Chat to win, since he will likely recover before that hour has elasped.
Seeing stars over your head and becoming dizzy it’s not a knockout, as being dizzy requieres you to be at least partially conscious. This parallel doesn’t holds up for anything other than saying that Cartoon Characters have superhuman durability, which is what we already know.
But it does show that Cartoon Characters similar to Johnny have resisted blunt force trauma before yet at most only become dizzy, the same blunt trauma which you imply will allow Chat to win.
(When I said Johnny could take the ring off Chat) Wat.
Yes I said it, because it IS a legitimate way Johnny could score a win, similar to how you imply Chat could somehow knock out Johnny for a whole hour by whacking his staff on his head (the same head which can harden its hair to the point where it can cut metal, so additional note, I dont think Chat can land a blow on Johnny's head if he cant event whack his way through Johnny's hair)
The remote it's optional equipment.
Now this is a topic that should go in another thread, but Im actually gonna call bullshit on the idea Johnny can't have his remote as his standard equipment. After all, if Johnny has exhibited any power, is that he does have the Hammerspace ability, which means it isn't impossible for Johnny to have it on him at any time. After all, he had the remote with him the entire time during that episode which he rewinded time without any real need to, so who's to say he wouldn't have it on him then when he fights Chat?
Wat and how.
Like, Chat slips on a banana peel while leaping on a tree branch and breaks his neck after falling into a pit of acid?
Funnily enough, Johnny can actually do that thanks to his probability manipulation (though admittedly he does need to "jinx" Chat first) though not to the outrageous extent that you implied it to be, though then banana peel thing could probably happen cause of the "rule of funny" cartoon characters tend to have.
And failed to do so, despite that being their main objective in every encounter. So Chat Noir can defend himself pretty much in that regard bearing in mind that he has handled characters more directly dangerous than Johnny while also keeping his ring from being removed.
And said akumas are controlled, or at least directed, by Hawkmoth, a guy who tends to become overconfident and impatient the longer he goes without getting the miraculous as seen in multiple episode (even inadvertetly causing his own akumas to lose like with Hack) and not im not giving a goddamn list on how many times that has occured because I want my life back from this thread. Also because their minds are technically corrupted, the akuma's Ladybug and Chat Noir fight tend to think irrationally because more often than not they are focused on whatever grudge they had when they were akumatized.
Also, Chat can be aware of his own weakness, but that's not to say that weakness is removed because he's "aware" of said awareness. It is possible for Johnny to remove the ring because :
- Cat Noir has to be in melee to actually fight Johnny meaning he will always have to be close for Johnny to take his ring (at least when Chat isnt being an acrobat)
- Johnny has shown to have random bursts of intelligence that have made him smart before, so he could deduce during one of those bursts that Chat's ring could be important/necassary to him.
Also hot take, but Chat doesn't probably have as much combat skill with actually fighting with his staff as you and Gilded actually think. At most he's probably used the staff to legitimately fight on at most 10 different episodes, and just mostly uses it to block ranged attacks by spinning it like a shield since a lot of akuma's use haxy abilities to mess with Chat rather than fight him directly (no im not going to make a list because again I want my life back), but whatever, he's a staff expert because Im not opening this can of worms right now.
It's not about Johnny being or not smart, it's that you can be smart and not realize that somebody not only has a power source to begin with, but that power source specifically. Ladybug would die of jealousy.
First of all, I think regular people can put two and two together to realize that the only piece of jewellery existing on what's basically a one piece catsuit will probably be important, especially if Chat decides to use it to use his power (since Cataclsym appears on the hand that has the ring).
Best case scenario for Johnny when he smarts up? He realizes Chat's ring is his power source and tries to go after it. Worst case scenario? Johnny goes after the ring because he realizes that what gives Chat that Catcylsm power that turned him to dust last time, and there is
noooooo way he wants to be turned into dust again.
That wouldn't happen. Cat Noir has Class G LS compared to Johnny's Class K, and besides, Johnny will not realize it'll come from his ring, so he has no reason to target it, especially since I'm pretty sure he isn't going to steal random objects for no reason
Johnny doesn't need to supplex Chat to take the ring, and Chat himself should't weight that much for Johnny to lift, so if he just lifts him off the air, Chat can't "lift" Johnny since he no ground underneath to brace himself (though obviously he could kick himself out of Johnny's grasp.
Also speed is equalized, so its not like Chat will be moving so fast for Johnny to be unable to grab him.
Also, your vote for Johnny basically comes from scenarios that will basically never happen due to how unlikely they are
Im just giving Johnny my vote because his abilities and equipment give him the edges over Chat necassary to win. Johnny can recover from what is Chat's trump abilitity, his toonforce powers means he resists blunt force trauma and will likely not be knocked out for long if Chat tries to go for it (on top of his ability to harden his hair and prevent Chat from striking his noggin), and Chat has noticeable weakness that don't require anything from Johnny's own abilities/arsenal to exploit and can be used to give him the win over Chat.
Johnny just has more scenarios in which he could win.
Meanwhile the only scenario which you yourself said could give Chat the win is this:
I rest my case, though if you could give Chat any alternative scenarios by which he could win beyond whacking I would be glad to hear it.
