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Probably not at all honestly, everything I see there can either be busted out of with sheer AP or sheer LS, so doesn't change anything IIRC
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Probably not at all honestly, everything I see there can either be busted out of with sheer AP or sheer LS, so doesn't change anything IIRC
Johnny opens with Hurricane Hands, so he will clap first. And the attack will come out quicker. Since Johnny is Mach 5 as well, he'll cover the range far quicker, as he already has Several Kilometers for range.Once again, Nonon is moving at mach 5, more then fast enough to catch Johnny doing anything that isn't literally clapping. Mach 7 can cross 100 miles or 160 kilometers in 1.5 seconds. 4 kilometers is a literal joke for Nonon to get into range even at hundreds of meters of range considering she's moving at mach 5.
Teleportation is once again too god damn slow. This fight would have to take place at like 30 kilometers apart for it to be fast enough.
Your arguments for the rest are "why can't Johnny win if Nonon lost to flight in-verse". Because my dear debater, Johnny needs to get past her passive forcefield that covers her whole body, which means Johnny can't even teleport into it. And all of his shit can easily be reflected right the piss back at him.
Your wanking it by saying hell get away from dozens of hits without damage. That's the wank, Johnny's toon force is literally worthless unless Nonon somehow only hits him once.
Then I'll have this closed for spite an you just farming wins for Johnny. Capice?
Then don't debate here? No one asked you to come here. If you "hate" these verses, then why are you here?(Yes this is me digging deeper. Let spite move you faster cause I hate both of these verses)
I can understand everything but Elasticity. Johnny got squished and flattened and wasn't phased. That along with Toon Force and Pain Tolerance makes you very hard to kill.Probably not at all honestly, everything I see there can either be busted out of with sheer AP or sheer LS, so doesn't change anything IIRC
Attack reflection, forcefields, we both know how that ends. Also Johnny has a nasty tendency to announce the attack in-question to the heavens before actually doing it.Johnny opens with Hurricane Hands, so he will clap first. And the attack will come out quicker. Since Johnny is Mach 5 as well, he'll cover the range far quicker, as he already has Several Kilometers for range.
You're acting like Johnny's Teleportation takes centuries lol. If you're saying it takes half a second to a second for the Teleportation to fully activate, then that will be enough time for Johnny for Teleport away.
Ryuko got passed Nonon's force fields the moment she gained the ability to fly, because Nonon had trouble predicting where Ryuko would attack. Imagine how hard it would be for her now that she's facing someone with flight and teleportation? Exactly. Again, Nonon has to predict where Johnny will attack, and Johnny can just attack once, teleport, and attack her again out of her sight. He can do that the whole fight, and she'll eventually get overwhelmed. And she'll have a hard time trying to find Johnny due to his Stealth Mastery as well.
Toon Force + Pain Tolerance? And you're only 2.2x stronger than that person who has those abilities? Yeah, the attacks will hurt a bit, but not really.
Stop being toxic. I have voted against Johnny before. Don't accuse someone of spite without giving competent reasons.
Sheer and utter boredom and wanting to try and debate different characters. I'll often crash threads on characters I hate just to cure boredom some more.Then don't debate here? No one asked you to come here. If you "hate" these verses, then why are you here?
Then stomp. Jakuzure can't harm Johnny worth a damn even if she plays everything perfectly. Even though it'll probably be called toon force then still stomp, Johnny's toon force is better and can make him tank shit like that.I can understand everything but Elasticity. Johnny got squished and flattened and wasn't phased. That along with Toon Force and Pain Tolerance makes you very hard to kill.
howJohnny's profile is wank.
I dunno you tell the slash that clearly means they're joking.
Johnny's profile is wank.
We need to wank it MORE
True. Johnny has a tendency to announce his attacks. But he'll realize that's a dumb idea to do the first time. That won't play a factor.Attack reflection, forcefields, we both know how that ends. Also Johnny has a nasty tendency to announce the attack in-question to the heavens before actually doing it.
Half a second is enough time to be way too slow to actually be acclible here in any decent form IIRC.
Attack once, take half a second to teleport which is way too long since he cant exactly really dodge while teleporting, let alone attack.
Toon force is completely worthless against the dozens of attacks that will be hitting Johnny for teleporting. It would be more acclible if Johnny was the faster one and he was getting bumped down in how many mach he is funnily enough.
The way your speaking heavily implies spite. I'm not being toxic by pointing out that it's easy to call it to be a spite to try and farm wins, even if a quick look at the beginning of the thread is against that. Also bolding makes you seem more aggressive then me here.
Sheer and utter boredom and wanting to try and debate different characters. I'll often crash threads on characters I hate just to cure boredom some more.
Then stomp. Jakuzure can't harm Johnny worth a damn even if she plays everything perfectly. Even though it'll probably be called toon force then still stomp, Johnny's toon force is better and can make him tank shit like that.
His Toon Force is not worthless in the slightest.And by "toon force is completely worthless" I mean Johnny's level of Toon Force IIRC
And from what I'm seeing Johnny's toon force gives him the ability to no-sell attacks comparable to him, good teleportation in first key, and some pretty good elasticity. That isn't what I'd call good toon forceHis Toon Force is not worthless in the slightest.
Let's compare him to e characters with Toon Force.
First, Nui Harime. Her Toon Force isn't even combat applicable. And if it was, it's low-level Toon Force, as it states in the profile.
Next, Mew Ichigo. Her Toon Force, at best, gives her 4th Wall Awareness and Future Sight. Future Sight is fine, but overall, low-level.
Third, Timmy Turner. His Toon Force gives him Mid-High, Better Acrobatics, 4th Wall Awareness, Dimensional Storage (Hammerspace), Body Control, Stealth Mastery, Elasticity, Social Influencing, Explosion Manip, Limited Deconstruction, Psuedo-Flight, with a couple more minor abilities. Johnny himself has most of these abilities. This should be considered Mid-level Toon Force.
Johnny's Toon Force is not worthless.
How is the way I'm speaking seem like spite? Someone blurted out that it was a stomp. I said it wasn't. I conceded, as I wasn't too knowledgeable on Nonon. When someone else came in defense of Nonon, I then realized it wasn't a stomp, and I continued saying it wasn't a stomp. But yeah, that "heavily implies spite." I literally voted against Johnny before. You don't know me, and you didn't talk to me like other people on this wiki. I've went against Johnny before, and I've even made points that benefited the opponent Johnny was facing. I'm not trying to farm wins out for Johnny. I already explained the bolding part. That doesn't compare to someone who randomly accuses someone of spite.Way to read.
"The way your speaking heavily implies spite. I'm not being toxic by pointing out that it's easy to call it to be a spite to try and farm wins, even if a quick look at the beginning of the thread is against that. Also bolding makes you seem more aggressive then me here."
And don't use your boredom to bring toxicity to a thread that no one asked you to participate.Like, don't tell someone to look back through a thread when you missed a clear and concise point by several galaxies. Doesn't make you look good.
How is the way I'm speaking seem like spite? Someone blurted out that it was a stomp. I said it wasn't. I conceded, as I wasn't too knowledgeable on Nonon. When someone else came in defense of Nonon, I then realized it wasn't a stomp, and I continued saying it wasn't a stomp. But yeah, that "heavily implies spite." I literally voted against Johnny before. You don't know me, and you didn't talk to me like other people on this wiki. I've went against Johnny before, and I've even made points that benefited the opponent Johnny was facing. I'm not trying to farm wins out for Johnny. I already explained the bolding part. That doesn't compare to someone who randomly accuses someone of spite
Blunt as a sledgehammer, that isn't the tone to use cause some people will take that right out of the context of the thread to call spite, which I did as something to make a point. In fact, your being more toxic in this above post then I've been this whole thread. So do yourself a favor and check the tone in your posts before you actually post them, I made that mistake myself this thread when I made the point about spite, I didn't include the parts about tone or anything else. And bolding stuff only makes you seem toxic when it's combined with that tone. Has that been made clear?Once again, Ryuko didn't use regeneration to win. Heck, she didn't even use it the whole battle. To kill someone with High-Mid, you have to turn someone to ashes or vaporize them iirc. If Nonon was able to do that, that means Nonon is stronger, which she's not. They're both comparable at the time. She lost to Ryuko not because of regeneration. But because of flight, something Johnny has. Plus teleportation. Nonon. Is. Screwed.
Hypocrisy about toxicity, considering you shot the ammo and I responded.And don't use your boredom to bring toxicity to a thread that no one asked you to participate.
To be blunt, if you're bored, there is way better things to do than to be on this wiki. Not dissing the wiki by any means here.
Blunt =/= toxic. Someone on this wiki called me annoying before (won't call out any names), and I took it like a man, and complimented them for being honest and blunt. Heck, someone even accused me of trying to gain attention to someone I've talked to many times, and we settled it like men and came to a consensus. I'm being blunt right here, as I explained the whole situation in the beginning of the thread. Saying "you don't know me" isn't toxic in the slightest. It's an objective fact. You don't know me like other people on this wiki, and we've only talked a couple of times prior to this thread, compared to the dozens of times I've talked to other people, and consider them friends. That's not toxic. That's being blunt/honest, which is something people need to start learning the difference from.Blunt as a sledgehammer, that isn't the tone to use cause some people will take that right out of the context of the thread to call spite, which I did as something to make a point. In fact, your being more toxic in this above post then I've been this whole thread. So do yourself a favor and check the tone in your posts before you actually post them, I made that mistake myself this thread when I made the point about spite, I didn't include the parts about tone or anything else. And bolding stuff only makes you seem toxic when it's combined with that tone. Has that been made clear?
Then I'll have this closed for spite an you just farming wins for Johnny. Capice?
Sheer and utter boredom and wanting to try and debate different characters. I'll often crash threads on characters I hate just to cure boredom some more.
This does not look good. Unless you're joking in the first comment. Participating in a thread in which the 2 verses that are in the thread you hate, accusing someone of spite, and then saying you just jumped on here because you were bored isn't the way you should be doing stuff here.(Yes this is me digging deeper. Let spite move you faster cause I hate both of these verses)
Reverse it. You accused me of spite, and I responded back.Hypocrisy about toxicity, considering you shot the ammo and I responded.
Being blunt =/= toxic.As I see it we both screwed up in our usage of tone. But being a hypocrite about calling out someone's toxicity doesn't make you look good and looks closer to you trying to pass blame, even though I doubt you meant that.
You weren't blunt there, you were pretty deeply aggressive and even toxic in the tone, and I responded in a less aggressive tone, but still too aggressive. Talking as someone who writes stories and RPs semi-often, both of our tones were extremely aggressive. I'm, once again, not being toxic in-context.Blunt =/= toxic. Someone on this wiki called me annoying before (won't call out any names), and I took it like a man, and complimented them for being honest and blunt. Heck, someone even accused me of trying to gain attention to someone I've talked to many times, and we settled it like men and came to a consensus. I'm being blunt right here, as I explained the whole situation in the beginning of the thread. Saying "you don't know me" isn't toxic in the slightest. It's an objective fact. You don't know me like other people on this wiki, and we've only talked a couple of times prior to this thread, compared to the dozens of times I've talked to other people, and consider them friends. That's not toxic. That's being blunt/honest, which is something people need to start learning the difference from.
I'm being dead serious when I say that when I first joined this wiki, someone accused me of making a Johnny Test spite match (we're friends now, though). I defended myself, saying what happened in the previous comments, and how it wasn't a spite match. Someone else even said to not randomly accuse someone of spite unless you have good reasoning. They were being toxic, and the person who did that acknowledged that, and now he's one of the people on the wiki I consider a friend I have fun talking to.
This does not look good. Unless you're joking in the first comment. Participating in a thread in which the 2 verses that are in the thread you hate, accusing someone of spite, and then saying you just jumped on here because you were bored isn't the way you should be doing stuff here.
Once again, accusing someone of spite is way more aggressive than bolding a few words. That's not even a comparison.
Reverse it. You accused me of spite, and I responded back.
I understand that, but your tone wasn't blunt it was extremely aggressive.Being blunt =/= toxic.
Yes I was being blunt. Being blunt does require to be aggressive to an extent, but that's about it. I wasn't being toxic in the slightest. Being toxic is throwing out petty insults when it's not needed. Not being blunt/mildly aggressive when making an argument. Once again, you accused me of spite, and I responded to you mildly aggressively. Being spiteful in a thread can lead to consequences, so yes, accusing me of spite without any good reasoning is far worse than bolding a few words. Bolding a few words isn't "taking it to the max." Accusing someone of spite is that. That can lead to consequences.You weren't blunt there, you were pretty deeply aggressive and even toxic in the tone, and I responded in a less aggressive tone, but still too aggressive. Talking as someone who writes stories and RPs semi-often, both of our tones were extremely aggressive. I'm, once again, not being toxic in-context.
Once again, I responded to your extreme aggression and even spiteful tone with some of my own aggression, not the best choice, but it's what happened.
Why yes, being bored and wanting to debate new characters even if I hate both series is something that happens. I don't want to debate the same old verses and the same old characters again and again. That gets repetitive and boring.
Read your post and my post then compare the tones. Yours sounds a helluva lot more aggressive then mine even if an accusation, that in-context actually isn't toxic at all is used. Getting frustrated is okay, I do it pretty often, but bolding something in a post that's already aggressive takes it up to the max.
I wouldn't be talking about tone if it wasn't important here. Your being blunt, not aggressive now. That's good. But your tone before this post was aggressive, which isn't good.
? Don't jump in out of no where... It might lead to more problemsHonestly, this is the consequence for being passionate with your fave, in this case Random with Johnny Test
My bad on that? Don't jump in out of no where... It might lead to more problems
Answer this question for me: Which is more aggressive/toxic?You were being far more aggressive then blunt. Not even close. You are also ignoring context. I clarified that no, I wasn't ignoring context, and was only really making a point.
"The way your speaking heavily implies spite. I'm not being toxic by pointing out that it's easy to call it to be a spite to try and farm wins, even if a quick look at the beginning of the thread is against that. Also bolding makes you seem more aggressive then me here."
Once again, the way you were speaking implies spite. Context matters, and so does tone. We both screwed up here. Blind aggression can be considered toxic and is often said to be so.
It takes repeted and consistent reports shown true in all context to lead to consequences. One accusation that in context wasn't even one and even if it was could still very easily be proven false isn't even fetching a warning.
Do I love Johnny Test? Yes.Honestly, this is the consequence for being passionate with your fave, in this case Random with Johnny Test
You say you were being mildly aggressive, your tone was far more aggressive without any purpose. The bolded part just added to it. I never said that the accusation on its own wasn't aggressive when there wasn't any true context behind it. It was, and I've long since acknowledged that, notice how I never mentioned your response to the accusation that didn't have context. After the context was explained was when it should've boiled down, and it did.Answer this question for me: Which is more aggressive/toxic?
A: Falsely/randomly accusing someone of spite
or
B: Bolding a few words
You tell me.
I agree. Blind aggression should be seen as toxic. But the problem was I was being mildly aggressive at best. I've already mentioned a few scenarios that happened in this wiki where the person I was talking to was being aggressive/toxic. 2 of them turned out positively, as those 2 people I consider friends now. 1 of them was us reaching a consensus.
Once again, how is bolding a few words once in a thread with almost 200 comments toxic in the slightest? That's the main question I have.You say you were being mildly aggressive, your tone was far more aggressive without any purpose. The bolded part just added to it. I never said that the accusation on its own wasn't aggressive when there wasn't any true context behind it. It was, and I've long since acknowledged that, notice how I never mentioned your response to the accusation that didn't have context. After the context was explained was when it should've boiled down, and it did.