Jesmon vs Pegasus Seiya

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Tivanenk You never really debunked anythging just saying.

@Matthew OS Generics would give him an immunity to that. Why would he need to deal with acausality? This isn't like Jesmon is gonna time travel and try to kill the guy...

 

[Reppuzan]

Well, OS Generics explicitly states that Jesmon becomes utterly invulnerable to harm, so I'm not sure if sub-atomic destruction is going to do much here.

Didn't know Seiya was Acausal to be honest, but he doesn't really have anything to trump OS Generics either.

 

[Aparajita]

Both Hades and Poseidon (and all the SS Gods) can nullify damage as well. Guess who got through their defenses?

Lel Raditz

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Last I remember all SS characters have done is just simply bee ressurected after a long while.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Both Hades and Poseidon (and all the SS Gods) can nullify damage as well. Guess who got through their defenses?

Were they using their damage nullification techniques during that time. Plus it kind of sounds like PIS to me.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I still don't see why OS Generics is that special, you guys seem to be treating it as a NLF.

Both Poseidon and Hades can nullify damage, and Seiya damaged them. And miracles in Saint Seiya can overwrite the power and hax of the opponent.

Your Digimon is basically fighting a 3-A, Acausal, Sub-Atomic Destroying, Regenerating Simon from Gurren Lagan..

He's not winning that.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

As others have said, OS Generics should counter Sub-Atomic hax since it says it rewrites his body in the process. No idea if it can get past his Acasual but I still stand by thinking that it can overwhelm Seiya.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How are we treating it as an NLF. It isn't like a 3-A character like Jesmon is gonna surpass a 2 character like Hades or Arceus. At most he can surpass tier 3 characters since they are still in his ball park. If OS Generics is a NLF then miracles are as well. All of this seiya damaging these gods that nullif attacks seem like horrible PIS. OS Generics is pretty much a huge hax ability. It just has multiple uses.

 

[Tivanenk]

Seiya has dealt with Damage Nullification before and hurt Hades. It's nothing new. He can hurt Jesmon and kill him.

 

[Tivanenk]

It's not horrible PIS. The Urn, Wailing Wall, Poseidon's Scales, and their Divine Cosmo all nullify damage. And Seiya punched through that stuff.

 

[Tivanenk]

As others have said, OS Generics should counter Sub-Atomic hax since it says it rewrites his body in the process. No idea if it can get past his Acasual but I still stand by thinking that it can overwhelm Seiya.

Elaborate. From what I can see, its simple damage nullification.

 

[Aparajita]

It's not horrible PIS. The Urn, Wailing Wall, Poseidon's Scales, and their Divine Cosmo all nullify damage. And Seiya punched through that stuff.

That... all seems like PIS or they don't nullify damage very well.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So can Jesmon. OS Generics will put Jesmon on his level. You act as though Jesmon will just sit there and get hit. You must remember that Speed is equalized. Jesmon and his 3 allies can overpower Seiya.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Do they nullify all damage? Do they really or was it a quote by someone being cocky or arrogant? OS Generics has shown to literally nullify all damage. It really seems like PIS.

 

[Reppuzan]

Seiya has dealt with Damage Nullification before and hurt Hades. It's nothing new. He can hurt Jesmon and kill him.

It's not just Damage Nullification in the sense that "X's output is reduced to 0", it's literally making it impossible to damage Jesmon by any conventional means. Upon using OS Generics his body becomes unbounded by any law of physics.

To put it into perspective, it's like converting himself into an indestructable wall in a video game. No matter what you try you can't damage it. On the same note, OS Generics allows him to automatically set his damage output to "100% of his opponent's health" to cut them down in a single blow.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

If Jesmon were fighting Hades per say then yeah OS Generics wouldn't be too helpful since Hades is a tier 2 and is far beyond any tier 3. Meanwhile Seiya is still a tier 3 character and thus OS Generics would work at its full compacity.

Also I'm subtracting LTB's vote unless he give a more detailed reason to why Jesmon wins.

So

Jesmon:6 or 7

Seiya:2

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Dragonmasterxyz

All attacks aimed at a God thrown by someone without Divine Cosmos is instantly redirected to the one who sended it, Poseidon explains and demonstrates it. It's not just that those without Divine Cosmos can't hurt Gods, they literally can't touch them or affect them in any way.

Poseidon Arc Seiya who doesn't have divine Cosmos hit Poseidon anyway.

 

[Victor2]

seiya

 

[Tivanenk]

And when Cosmo users burn Cosmo, their attacks are unbound by laws of physics. Who cares? You're just all going "PIS" "not damage nullification", etc. even though Saint Seiya do nullify damage, and you can burn Cosmo to overcome damage nullification. That's why Cosmo is one of the most hax things in existence.

 

[Aparajita]

All attacks aimed at a God thrown by someone without Divine Cosmos is instantly redirected to the one who sended it, Poseidon explains and demonstrates it. It's not just that those without Divine Cosmos can't hurt Gods, they literally can't touch them or affect them in any way.

Poseidon Arc Seiya who doesn't have divine Cosmos hit Poseidon anyway.

Then... Poseidon was clearly mistaken.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

From what I can gather from the vague description, OS Generics is a reality warping ability that allows Jesmon to also have really, really powerful body modification. In theory, OS Generics can give Jesmon similar durability to Magnamon X whose armor keeps getting harder and harder until its unscratchable, if I recall.

 

[Reppuzan]

seiya

Just letting you know Victor, your vote doesn't count unless you give a valid explanation.

 

[Tivanenk]

All attacks aimed at a God thrown by someone without Divine Cosmos is instantly redirected to the one who sended it, Poseidon explains and demonstrates it. It's not just that those without Divine Cosmos can't hurt Gods, they literally can't touch them or affect them in any way.

Poseidon Arc Seiya who doesn't have divine Cosmos hit Poseidon anyway.

Then... Poseidon was clearly mistaken.

Or because Seiya burned his Cosmo to create a Miracle and hit a god?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That sounds more like PIS than anything else. Nothing says it overrides hax since it doesn't seem to cancel ressurection or acausality now does it? All I've seen are direct PIS parts in the sries. And before you say that a series shouldn't have so many PIS segments about a similar problem try remebering Pokemon in which a meteor hurt Arceus..PIS. Random Pokemon hurt Arceus...PIS. Pikachu hurt Arceus...PIS. Darkrai can match Palkia and Dialga...PIS Rayquaza, Latios and Latias can fight the creation trio...PIS. It may be an unrelated topic; however it's used to prove my point.

 

[Tivanenk]

seiya

Just letting you know Victor, your vote doesn't count unless you give a valid explanation.

Then like 4 votes for Jesmon shouldn't count at all.

 

[Tivanenk]

Also, if we're arguing tiers, then Seiya is High 3-A and Jesmon is 3-A. End of story right there.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

^You mean like 2 votes which I have taken off the tally?

Also seiya is 3-A and can become High 3-A

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

We're using Base 3-A seiya, not High 3-A seiya. Also, 6 people gave valid explanations for why they think Jesmon would win so that is an invalid point.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Actually it's 5. 7 if we count agreements as reasonings for votes.

 

[Victor2]

seiya

Just letting you know Victor, your vote doesn't count unless you give a valid explanation.

you want me to re-write everything thats explained why seiya wins? aight

seiya wins via, acsuality, sub-atomic Regenerationn, and ability to Nullify every technique after seeing it once, and having far superior durability (high-3-A)

 

[Tivanenk]

Seiya can burn his Cosmo within seconds to become High 3-A. End of story.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Jesmon can Os Generics Seiya and overpower him with numbers end of story.

@Victor I will now add your vote.

 

[Reppuzan]

Seiya can burn his Cosmo within seconds to become High 3-A. End of story.

By this train of logic, Jesmon reaches the same level of power through OS Generics, end of story.

 

[Victor2]

seiya can keep fighting for all eternity if need to, stamina is not an issuse for him

and neither of them of can hurt seiya if they`r just 3-A

 

[Tivanenk]

Seiya can burn his Cosmo within seconds to become High 3-A. End of story.

By this train of logic, Jesmon reaches the same level of power through OS Generics, end of story.

I don't see High 3-A in his profile. End of story.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"That sounds like PIS"

Uh, Cosmos is basically Spiral Power.

It's PIS weaponized.

Country level people endure hits from Star level guys and become quadrillions of times stronger to harm them. Absurd hax are nullified through sheer will, a character has regenerated from destroyed atoms. A Saint has fought and moved with all the bones of his body shattered.

Seiya has nullified damage negation before.

 

[Reppuzan]

That's what stat amping is for. There is a "possibly much higher", no?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

And when Cosmo users burn Cosmo, their attacks are unbound by laws of physics. Who cares? You're just all going "PIS" "not damage nullification", etc. even though Saint Seiya do nullify damage, and you can burn Cosmo to overcome damage nullification. That's why Cosmo is one of the most hax things in existence.

I agree.

I feel that there's some double standards acting here. People who aren't Saint Seiya fans don't really understand how Hax and broken it is.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I feel as though non-Digimon fans don't understand how hax the OS Generics really is. yes I can play that card. Heck OS Generics can count as the same amplifier tbh.

We've been through the SS damage negation already here. However OS Generics is a complely different type of Damage negation. We are going around in circles. Certain things here should be labeled as PIS.

 

[Reppuzan]

Since my explanation of OS Generics was completely ignored, I'm going to say it again:

It's not just Damage Nullification in the sense that "X's output is reduced to 0", it's literally making it impossible to damage Jesmon by any conventional means. Upon using OS Generics his body becomes unbounded by any law of physics.

To put it into perspective, it's like converting himself into an indestructable wall or an invisible boundary in a video game. No matter what you try you can't damage it or cross it. On the same note, OS Generics allows him to automatically set his damage output to "100% of his opponent's health" to cut them down in a single blow.

It's not a matter of reducing, nullifying, or reflecting damage, it's that he can't be damaged at all. It's physically impossible. So it's not the same as the example you just brought up.