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James Bond Tournament Arena Round 1: James Bond vs The Terminator (GRACE)

Wow, I like how everyone who literally voted for James Bond acts like he would easily kill the Terminator despite not knowing about his true capabilities. And how speed had to be equalized for Bond and spotting him his "best" stuff just to be given a fighting chance.
 
Why does it matter? The match has already been added and of course he had to have his best stuff. Litteraly any hit from the Terminator would one shot him (unless he's in a vanquish)

And who said that Bond would win easily?
 
Stalker Maggot said:
Why does it matter? The match has already been added and of course he had to have his best stuff. Litteraly any hit from the Terminator would one shot him (unless he's in a vanquish)
And who said that Bond would win easily?
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Okay fair enough, mate. But the way mostly everyone else here just voted "Bond FRA" without providing much of their own two cents as to why Bond would beat the Terminator just strikes me as saying "Bond would stomp no matter what, regardless of being physically outclassed in every department of stats against Terminator" and with no one else arguing for the Terminator, well you get the deal. But since I see the OP is giving Bond a set of circumstances that's tailored to stacking the odds in his favor. If Bond wins, then so be it. I'll let him have his W. I have just about nothing more to say here.
 
I mean, I have to give Bond this stuff so he can have a actual chance. Hell, the Terminator has a good chance of winning here too.

If Bond doesn't use his vanquish then The Terminator can one shot him and Bond would have to hit the Terminator twice in order to kill him

And he doesn't have prior knowledge so he doesn't know that the Terminator is actually a robot
 
Stalker Maggot said:
I mean, I have to give Bond this stuff so he can have a actual chance. Hell, the Terminator has a good chance of winning here too.
If Bond doesn't use his vanquish then The Terminator can one shot him and Bond would have to hit the Terminator twice in order to kill him

And he doesn't have prior knowledge so he doesn't know that the Terminator is actually a robot
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The thing is Terminator has dealt with far worse adversaries than Bond for an impressive track record and granted while he was typically outmatched by them from the get-go, he's still strong and tough enough to stand toe to toe with them without dying at all.
 
Buttersamuri said:
I mean. EMP is a hella counter. so with prep and EMP. GG
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Yeah, but as Stalker Maggot says, in every other scenario without EMP, any major Terminator model worth their salt would one-shot.
 
Physically sure. But rockets also. EMP was just the best option. Rockets are still a great deal stronger and sniper terminator from a distance
 
Ok. So. Grenades Launchers aren't even the slightest close to James Bond Missiles. James Bond has 88 MG in missiles. A grenade launcher isn't even Small Building. Terminator is Baseline Small Building. Aka. Bonds missiles is several times stronger
 
Buttersamuri said:
Ok. So. Grenades Launchers aren't even the slightest close to James Bond Missiles. James Bond has 88 MG in missiles. A grenade launcher isn't even Small Building. Terminator is Baseline Small Building. Aka. Bonds missiles is several times stronger
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Decent counter-argument, however I was using that scene just to put matters into perspective for how the Terminator's durability can use scaling from what is possibly his weakest incarnation.
 
Decent counter-argument, however I was using that scene just to put matters into perspective for how the Terminator's durability can use scaling from what is possibly his weakest incarnation.

Still doesn't help at all. Like absolutely no help. That weapon isn't even small building level. It doesn't matter if early him took it. That really doesn't change the fact A Missile from bond is WAY stronger than anything Terminator has faced. He is Baseline Small Building currently. So that's how we judge him. And that level is currently much weaker than a missile from bond
 
Pretty sure plasma rifles one shot. In the future war they are used on both sides and they can bring down T-800's.
 
I guess it just comes down to who shoots first
 
You do know that a Terminator has a composite knowledge of: Vehicle information and usage, Weapon information and usage, and Martial Arts available right? In no way does Bond outskill a T-800.

The CPU, developed by Cyberdyne Systems, is one of the most powerful microprocessors ever built. As part of its vast internal databases, the T-800 contains detailed files on human anatomy and physiology so as to make it a more efficient killer. The CPU can also be updated with multiple database files related to advanced infiltration techniques, basic training for soldiers, emergency medical training, sniper training, an extensive tactical database, and detailed files from other terminators making each unit a combat vetera
~ Source​
 
Colonel Krukov said:
You do know that a Terminator has a composite knowledge of: Vehicle information and usage, Weapon information and usage, and Martial Arts available right? In no way does Bond outskill a T-800.
The CPU, developed by Cyberdyne Systems, is one of the most powerful microprocessors ever built. As part of its vast internal databases, the T-800 contains detailed files on human anatomy and physiology so as to make it a more efficient killer. The CPU can also be updated with multiple database files related to advanced infiltration techniques, basic training for soldiers, emergency medical training, sniper training, an extensive tactical database, and detailed files from other terminators making each unit a combat vetera
~ Source​
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Ditto.
 
1. Surprisingly. Bond also has extensively high knowledge on weapons. Several types terminator hasn't ever handled. And all he really needs to know is how to use his rockets: which. He does know how to very well.

2. Vehicle info is kinda useless. It offers not very much.

3. Martial arts skills. Ok. Cool. Bond surprisingly knows a vastly large amount of more. From your own quote. "basic training for soldiers,". Bonds way above that sort of training.


This hit grace regardless.
 
Does Bond possess any access to heavier firepower than a Fuel Cell and his Plasma Weapons?

Yes. It's the launcher I have kept bringing up that is a lot stronger than Terminator.
 
Buttersamuri said:
1. Surprisingly. Bond also has extensively high knowledge on weapons. Several types terminator hasn't ever handled. And all he really needs to know is how to use his rockets: which. He does know how to very well.
2. Vehicle info is kinda useless. It offers not very much.

3. Martial arts skills. Ok. Cool. Bond surprisingly knows a vastly large amount of more. From your own quote. "basic training for soldiers,". Bonds way above that sort of training.


This hit grace regardless.
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Bond knowing more martial arts than Terminator does earn him some extra points for skills, but it's utterly irrelevant in the face of someone naturally many times stronger and more durable than a human agent.
 
Buttersamuri said:
Does Bond possess any access to heavier firepower than a Fuel Cell and his Plasma Weapons?
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Yes. It's the launcher I have kept bringing up that is a lot stronger than Terminator.
A rocket launcher being more potent than a T-850's mini-nuclear cell? Eh, pretty doubtful there, mate.

Also in the future, I'm pretty sure a T-850 has had combat experience dealing with soldiers of the human resistance whom had access to anti-tank rockets, plasma rifles, and armor-piercing .50 calibre machine guns.
 
Buttersamuri said:
1. Surprisingly. Bond also has extensively high knowledge on weapons. Several types terminator hasn't ever handled. And all he really needs to know is how to use his rockets: which. He does know how to very well.

2. Vehicle info is kinda useless. It offers not very much.

3. Martial arts skills. Ok. Cool. Bond surprisingly knows a vastly large amount of more. From your own quote. "basic training for soldiers,". Bonds way above that sort of training.


This hit grace regardless.
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The Terminator has an extensive database of every human weapon programmed into it from Skynet, as well as weaponry used in the future war.

Not really if it's used to figure out the schematics of a Vanquish. He can just pin point its weak spots and aim for them to disable it. The T-800 also has information analysis so he can figure out what's what.

The T-800 has knowledge of every martial arts in its database. This doesn't really matter since he crushes Bond in H2H anyway.

The whole point of the grace period is to allow time for people to make changes in their opinions.

Imho T-800 wins since I don't think Bond leads with an EMP blast, whereas the T-800 can easily blow up his car with a burst of his plasma rifle. I think it's fair to say that the Invisibility isn't enough to hide either sinces it's only microcameras that are hidding the car and any terminator has far better visibility than a human does.
 
"The Terminator has an extensive database of every human weapon programmed into it from Skynet, as well as weaponry used in the future war." >Kk, cool. Unless any of the weapons are higher into 9-A then Bonds missles, they are irrelavnt

"Not really if it's used to figure out the schematics of a Vanquish. He can just pin point its weak spots and aim for them to disable it. The T-800 also has information analysis so he can figure out what's what." >Ah yes. How is he going to several harm something that's 4 times more durable then himself?

"The T-800 has knowledge of every martial arts in its database. This doesn't really matter since he crushes Bond in H2H anyway." >Why are people even bring up H2H? That's litteraly never going to happen in this fight

"Imho T-800 wins since I don't think Bond leads with an EMP blast" >He would once he knows the Terminator is a robot

"whereas the T-800 can easily blow up his car with a burst of his plasma rifle." >Prove to me that the Plasma Rifle is over 88 MG

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"I think it's fair to say that the Invisibility isn't enough to hide either sinces it's only microcameras that are hidding the car and any terminator has far better visibility than a human does."
>Prove to me that the Terminator can see a invisable being
 
Just because the car is 4x times stronger than a T-800's AP, doesn't mean it isn't going to be completely unaffected by the attacks. A significant burst of fire on the engine, tires, or any weak spot is going to bring it down.

I was debunking that Bond has better martial art skills.

Exactly, he's not going to know that straight away if a T-800 is covered in living tissue.

What's MG?

In the chase against the Jaguar, the dude loads up a thermal imaging camera which shows Bond's car. A T-800 has infrared optics.
 
"Just because the car is 4x times stronger than a T-800's AP, doesn't mean it isn't going to be completely unaffected by the attacks. A significant burst of fire on the engine, tires, or any weak spot is going to bring it down."

>I never said it would be unaffected. My argument is that it's going to barely damage it. And how is he going to do that before he gets shot with missiles exactly?

"I was debunking that Bond has better martial art skills."

>Kk, but this doesn't even matter, this is a gun fight so

"Exactly, he's not going to know that straight away if a T-800 is covered in living tissue."

>I mean, it's really easy to just destory the tissue so

"What's MG?"

>Megajoules, I meant to say MJ

"In the chase against the Jaguar, the dude loads up a thermal imaging camera which shows Bond's car. A T-800 has infrared optics."

>Kk, fair point
 
Maybe he could just dodge them or shoot them out of the air?

That's fair

I'm not sure how far into 9-A it is, but since it's plasma based weaponry, it's designed to burn through metals.

I hope I'm not coming across as rude BTW, I'm just trying to express my opinions. I'm a big fan of both characters so I'm not being biased, or at least trying not to.
 
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