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Issues with scaling for the MHA verse
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So please explain, when did Shigaraki use more power than his body can handle then? The whole case of his AP scaling to his dura is because he was using power past his body's limits.
Why is he going after Aizawa instead of killing Endeavor with his pinky finger?
Was he just breathing too hard?
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Her hands should be mist. You don't take a hit from someone 1000x your dura and survive in anyway. So you're also arguing that AFO used his full strength against Endeavor?
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Some of these statements make sense if you just read through them but there's a huge falsehood here or maybe you are just ignoring it. Hood used Muscle Augmentation against Endeavor and if it anywhere near Muscular's that's a huge 2 time strength boost.
No other High-ends have that quirk. A quirk that could even go toe to toe with Deku using 100%.
All High-ends are categorized under Black High-tier Nomu, only that they have intelligence but their base stats are still not enough for them to surpass the Black High-tier category, they are slightly better than the others cause if brains not brawn (USJ). You can somewhat scale all High-ends around the same level in base but the biggest gaps are in combat intelligence and most importantly the quirks they posses.
The helmet High-end that Mirko killed didn't have any strength or defence enhancing quirks so it was destroyed pretty easily meanwhile the Nomu that gave her trouble was the one that could produce bone armor for defence & bone tentacles for offence. However, in her first kick, she shredded through all 5 of then equally before they activated any quirks meaning their bases are comparable.
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So I have to ask, what's the problem with Shigaraki's AP just being At least 8-A?
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If people are fine with that sure. We'd only be ignoring the AM statement which is never denied by anyone who'd know better and Shigaraki doesn't have the feats for that.
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Problem is that we don't accept that on his profile as the reasoning for his AP.
However what about Ryukyu's damage just being an outlier, is that not a possibility?
However what about Ryukyu's damage just being an outlier, is that not a possibility?
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Why though? Shigaraki has very little AP feats besides bullying 8A/potentially 7C characters.
It could just as easily be claimed to be an outlier for Endeavor clashing with AFO's Air Cannon (not saying it is) so what distinguishes the two?
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So how about leaving Shigaraki at 7-C, and not scaling his AP to his dura.
Also we know Endeavor>>Ryukyu, Shigaraki punching Endeavor into Ryukyu knocked her out for awhile. She only felt a small amount of that energy yet it put her down.
Just because Shigaraki doesn't go through her hand doesn't mean we should use that as proof she should scale to him.
Also we know Endeavor>>Ryukyu, Shigaraki punching Endeavor into Ryukyu knocked her out for awhile. She only felt a small amount of that energy yet it put her down.
Just because Shigaraki doesn't go through her hand doesn't mean we should use that as proof she should scale to him.
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Shigaraki also technically did go through her hand. He pierced straight through it with his charge, and he could flex so hard he broke her fingers.
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We can leave it at 7C. Can we talk about some other scaling (like Deku for example).
I didn't mean to use that to scale him but we mainly just see him beating the heck out of 8As through out this arc.
If we agree on 7C could Endeavor and other characters who scale to him be Low 7-C+?
I didn't mean to use that to scale him but we mainly just see him beating the heck out of 8As through out this arc.
If we agree on 7C could Endeavor and other characters who scale to him be Low 7-C+?
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Keep in mind that Shigaraki was restrained here, as well as the fact that he only pried her hands open. Endeavor never even used his strongest moves against AFO anyways, so it's not like we'd be contradicting anything by saying he could scale.
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Also - while Shigaraki can do some All Might-like moves by flinging himself through the air using the pressure of his movements, that doesn't mean his attacks always All Might tier.
All Might could fling himself through the air and crash into Deku but he didn't crush Deku with Low 7-B levels of force.
All Might could fling himself through the air and crash into Deku but he didn't crush Deku with Low 7-B levels of force.
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He wasn't restrained when he punched through her hand and snapped her fingers. It'd make no sense for Endeavor to hold back as well. Horikoshi likely didn't make flashfire at that point.
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Since this entire thing branches out to scaling of multiple characters, we should see which is the consistent power levels before labelling stuff as outliers.
Although I think this should still be fine since Ryukyu is being overpowered.
Hood's attack that critically injured Endeavor didn't make use of Muscle Augmentation. Or if it did, it's certainly not on the level of scale that Muscular's augmented his own attack. Either way it doesn't disprove any of my points at all since the scaling still stands.
I believe the issue would be Shigaraki used an Air Cannon to escape and she still survived with hands intact. Or idk the aftermath is unclear due to classic Hori art.
Although I think this should still be fine since Ryukyu is being overpowered.
Forgive me for asking but what feat justifies Kamino AFO and All Might being Low 7-B again? It's difficult to keep track in entire pages of walls of text.
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Then you could literally argue this feat as an outlier.
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Basically, if Endeavor scales, they would scale since they’re stronger than him.
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Ok so what’s going on now, I want to get caught up to speed.
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Hood actually never uses Muscle Augment to a similar scale that Muscular did and every time he hit Endeavor he coughs up blood so Endeavor no matter what downscales from Hood.
Shigaraki's Air Cannon is honestly an unknown because Endeavor took no damage from it and Deku shrugged it off plus AFO's was most likely enhanced.
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I believe Low 7-B characters (like Endeavor makes no sense due to massive gaps between characters like Nejire and the HE or Ryukyu and Shigaraki (around a 1000x difference).
We seem to be settling on 7C I think.
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Hmm?
I'm joking don't take that seriously, but Shigaraki's Air Cannon clashed with Endeavor and I'm certain he was bruised by the attack. Why is Shigaraki even using an attack so much weaker than his physical blows in this case?
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CIS?
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The scene doesn't make sense anyway, Shigaraki is confirmed stronger than Endeavor, he should just rip his hand out of Endeavor's grip and kill him with decay.
Heck in that position he should still be able to touch Endeavor's hand with at least three of his fingers, which he can use decay with.
Heck in that position he should still be able to touch Endeavor's hand with at least three of his fingers, which he can use decay with.
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I looked through the panels and he's actually unharmed from it. It's a nice move to force someone off him (Endeavor did say it's hard to move in the heat). Against Ryukyu and Deku, their far weaker than him.
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I was mostly talking about Endeavor case though, since 45% Izuku is a little sus right now.
It looks like he has a bruise when he's on the comms though. The left side of his face, which was the side he got hit on, looks like he has a bruise on it.
It looks like he has a bruise when he's on the comms though. The left side of his face, which was the side he got hit on, looks like he has a bruise on it.
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Never mind that's his scar I'm dumb.
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Endeavor scales to what, though? I was asking for the reason why AFO is Low 7-B, since AFAIK feats on that level were before Kamino.
I'm honestly really lost about this, especially since, from what I can gather in these walls of text, AFO and All Might were holding back, yet the only one who has any reason to do so is the latter (after the League left).
It still knocked Endeavor back though, but I agree that it should be not assumed that Shiggy's Air Cannon is as powerful as AFO's due to enhancements which I believe was being used by AFO.
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Because Shigaraki is being suggested to be Low 7-B+ in the OP, which downscales to Endeavor, which would mean Kamnio All Might and AFO upscale from him.
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Hood as well
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Wait how are we scaling Shigaraki to 7-C, since his own Air Cannon isn't being compared to AFO's?
If we use Endeavor scaling to AFO's 7-C attack, that means Endeavor is 7-C (6.3 Kilotons), and Shigaraki/Kamino AFO And All Might/Hood/Machia would upscale from that.
Since we agree that the 7-C attack wasn't AFO's 100% power, just that it's not a Low 7-B+ difference.
If we use Endeavor scaling to AFO's 7-C attack, that means Endeavor is 7-C (6.3 Kilotons), and Shigaraki/Kamino AFO And All Might/Hood/Machia would upscale from that.
Since we agree that the 7-C attack wasn't AFO's 100% power, just that it's not a Low 7-B+ difference.
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So 7C Endeavor and all the genetic problems upscale then.
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I assume so
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Lmao yeah I'm dumb. I kinda disagree with Tomura not being able to handle AFO being the same as Deku breaking his limbs with OFA, just that they were similar situations but not the exact same thing.
I believe Shigaraki is 7-C because he's been overpowering Endeavor in general while Quirkless. Enji's durability scales from taking hits from Hood, whose AP exceeds Endeavor's (in terms of blunt force, at least. Flashfire is likely an entirely different thing since its main thing is heat which has been shown to just incinerate Hoods body entirely).
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How about we use Endeavor's statement about Shigaraki's physical strength being comparable to All Might, scale him to Kamino All Might's 6.3 Kilotons.
We can then downscale Endeavor and others from that to baseline Low 7-C+ (3.4 Kilotons).
Since we know Endeavor is >>All Might, it's weird to assume he matched an attack capable of matching All Might.
We can then downscale Endeavor and others from that to baseline Low 7-C+ (3.4 Kilotons).
Since we know Endeavor is >>All Might, it's weird to assume he matched an attack capable of matching All Might.
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Because I've heard some interesting stuff I'm going to get this out of the way, rn. I stated this quote like 4 times but it seems people are trying to forget it for scaling.
"But now my hyper regen quirk is back. My body shouldn't have any limits at all"(Chpt 283)
In other words he's saying I need regeneration to go full power directly saying his AP > dur.
Shigaraki scales to his own Dur that is a direct statement, please don't just forget it when you want to change I remember seeing this happen the last time this thread happen. Don't just forget statements because you don't like this.
"But now my hyper regen quirk is back. My body shouldn't have any limits at all"(Chpt 283)
In other words he's saying I need regeneration to go full power directly saying his AP > dur.
Shigaraki scales to his own Dur that is a direct statement, please don't just forget it when you want to change I remember seeing this happen the last time this thread happen. Don't just forget statements because you don't like this.
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If you want to do that then scale 100% Deku to 7-C, wait ooh yeah we can't do that because Deku scales to at the bare minimum weakened might by the movies during heroes saga when he's far weaker, likely wounded might who has the storm feat.
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I don't believe that statement means his AP equals his Dura.
Shigaraki's body was breaking down because of all the damage he took, at no point does Shigaraki break his body by punching hard and suffering recoil. He's breaking down by continuing the push his body after being brought to his limits by the Heroes attacks, or to be more accurate by Endeavor's flames and 100% Izuku.
When he says his body has no limits, he's talking about how it shouldn't be breaking down anymore.
I disagree with your possibility.
Shigaraki's body was breaking down because of all the damage he took, at no point does Shigaraki break his body by punching hard and suffering recoil. He's breaking down by continuing the push his body after being brought to his limits by the Heroes attacks, or to be more accurate by Endeavor's flames and 100% Izuku.
When he says his body has no limits, he's talking about how it shouldn't be breaking down anymore.
I disagree with your possibility.
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Dr. Garaki did say that Shigaraki is not quite on par with All Might, but we don't know which versions he's referring to. So I suppose it should be fine that Tomura is comparable to Kamino All Might/AFO with his strength?
I also wanted to point out that Endeavor probably isn't 6.3 Kilotons in the first place, since his flames did not match the Air Cannon, rather the Air Cannon dispersed or cancelled out his flames. Endeavor being baseline 7-C would still make that possible
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