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This is absurd. Can't be satisfied by anything? You're not really saying that right? I haven't made a complicated request. Just post the scans you're referring to when you make a point. People do it all the time.
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Issue with qualitative superiority in God of War (downgrade)
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i disagreed to this thread so that’s 2 there.
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True. Thank you for the reminder.
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You're just reaching at this point mate.
Everything you seek is in the Theogony section. All the links. Gyges calls Uranus as the person who gave life to the universe, calls him the father of the universe and verbatim states "we will once again rule all that our father created". HELL, the Ascension Artbook literally calls Uranus as "Heavens".
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And what if we picked a wrong line that they don't satisfy or meant it?
At some point there is a end line of "well I referenced it, you can search evidence I meant".
If I now said its volume 1, and tell the person to search for it. In which world is this acceptable?
And yes it is the same equaliavance since its not a scan and three sentences, it's a whole page.
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It's not even a whole page this time, it's literally the opening paragraph of the Theogony section.
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Yes, I read the section. Like I said, we have two events.
1) This cosmic fight with glittery lights
2) The fact that Uranus gave life to the universe.
What you have failed to provide is any basis, reasoning, or evidence for saying that the event in which Uranus gave life to the universe was this cosmic fight, or that the big bang was a result of the punch. That seems to have been made up from thin air. There's no evidence, it's purely an assumption.
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I don't disagree is lazy and unnecessarily extends discussions, but to act then that the evidence doesn't exist is simply wrong.
Moreover, he also told you exactly where and what to look for in the profile.
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I can't believe I'm entertaining this idea in all honesty after everything Planck, Glass and I have said.
This cosmic fight with glittery lights and Uranus giving life to the universe are the same exact thing. Ariel Lawrence, the longtime writer of SSM, confirmed it. Senior Art Director of SSM Patrick Murphy also confirmed it. Ascension Artbook even calls Uranus as the Heavens. This shit is as blatant as it gets.
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That's like saying don't complain about not being given specific author quotes "when they literally posted a link to a 30 minute interview."
It is a problem to post a page with dozens of scans and say "it's in there somewhere, I assure you. Good luck." That's not posting evidence. Especially when often the point of contention is very specific, people often describe things in a way that is made up mostly of their own conclusions rather than literally just saying what the evidence is, which makes finding and understanding what the argument is much more difficult. This can all be solved by simply explaining your reasoning and posting scans.
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Buddy the fact that you keep retreating to dismissive statements like this is because you know you have no argument. There's no evidence.
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I don't think we are here denying it's existence, we are debating on it's relevance to the current discussion and premise of it.
Moreover, we want to avoid misinterpreting them as well. Since they simply can say: "it's not that line I meant".
I don't think our position is unreasonable.
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The fact that there's nothing but an empty void until this specific explosion that spawns stars, nebulae and galaxies (the latter being confirmed by an art director), which happens just as the narration talks about them creating the world, with Uranus himself being said to have given life to the universe.... is no evidence.
Ya know what? Sure, dude. I'll count you on agreeing with the downgrade.
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You're the one dismissing evidence here and arguing that what we showed isn't evidence, when everything in the page points otherwise.
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Like I said, we have the fight, we have the statement. Identifying these events as one and the same is an assumption made from seemingly nowhere. But you're already deviating from what KLOL said.
I don't know why you keep saying "everything in the page" when we're talking about two sentences.
And it was in this battle that the universe came into being, when the Primordial of the Oceans, Ceto struck Uranus and spawned the universe from his body as a result.[9] Supported by how he's referred to as the father of the universe by one of his children, Gyges,[10] multiple[11] times.[11]
That's it. That's "everything in the page." The gif you already showed me, and the fact that he's referred to as the father of the universe.
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Did you even bother clicking the links?
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I dunno what he said, I'm pointing this stuff out. But like I've said, this is going nowhere. You already agree with the thread and frankly, discussing with you is a chore. Take this as a victory or whatever, I'm going to eat.
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See? This is exactly the sort of dismissive remark that someone would make when they have no argument. Yes, you know I clicked the links, because I just described their contents.
the universe came into being, when the Primordial of the Oceans, Ceto struck Uranus and spawned the universe from his body as a result
Yep, the exact fight you showed me.
referred to as the father of the universe by one of his children, Gyges,[10] multiple[11] times.[11]
And -- wow -- the fact that he's called the father of the universe. You know, two things that I mentioned in the comment you replied to asking me if I clicked the links?
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Is there a link I missed? Which one? How does it change the argument?
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Any discussion would be a chore when you're trying to conjure up a conclusion on an insufficient basis. We can't hand out higher infinities like halloween candy every time someone mentions a "higher realm."
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This might be helpful, when a link is formatted like this:
Remove everything that follows the .jpg file extension, and then it will load.
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He's also stated to have given life to the Universe in those links.
"Sired by Uranus, he who gave life to the Universe."
"Then with your death, we will once again rule all that our father created."
Ascension Artbook. Uranus is literally referred to as the Heavens.
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Just wanted to make the joke ayy
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Personally I disagree with the OP. The counters provided by KLOL, Glass, and Planck make more sense to me
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Two WoG, The senior SSM lead artist, Patrick Murphy and the senior writer of the series, Ariel Lawrence, from 2 to Ascension, both confirm that the Primordials created the universe.
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I already made an entire post. I can simply add the votes by myself.
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In other words, he created the universe. Which I said. You're telling me you asked me if I bothered clicking the links because I didn't specifically say gave life" instead of "father of the universe?" I'm still not following here, what link did you think I missed based on this description? I am obviously aware that Uranus made the universe.
First, this link is not even in that section.
Second, the Theogeny section actually says the Primordials were created by the Big Bang and that their fighting created galaxies, not universes.
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This isn't really relevant, I already said Uranus was the father of the universe, my point was that we have no evidence that the fight was that event. But your description of Ariel Lawrence's statement is wrong, she says they were created by the Big Bang.
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Since we have reached a new page, a reminder for evaluating staff this is the post to evaluate (also has the updated vote count for staff with evaluating rights)
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There's both "gave life" and "father of the universe", it's in the second scan.
Planck forgot to add it there.
Minor details that only add to the legitimacy of the universe itself. Plus, it's only in support of the game's intro, the artbook stuff and the comic, we don't even need Ariel's comment here, or really, any of the WoG here for the matter.Second, the Theogeny section actually says the Primordials were created by the Big Bang and that their fighting created galaxies, not universes.
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I'm aware. Like I said, I had already acknowledged that he created the universe. What does this have to do with the point of whether or not the fight scene was the creation of the universe? Why did you ask me if I "bothered to click the links" if I had already addressed both elements? The fact that I did not verbatim quote every different version of "created the universe given in those scans?"
Okay, but what does it add to the discussion?
I don't know what you're getting at. I have already acknowledged that Uranus created the universe. That's not the point of contention here at all. None of this supports the conclusion that the fight scene itself was the creation of the universe, and we have direct WoG on the matter that it literally isn't.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you are of course, 100% wrong.
Uranus is confirmed to be the heavens in the artbook. LITERALLY SPEAKING. The Universe is birthed from his face in that instant when Ceto socks him. The same Uranus in the comics is then stated to be the person who gave life to the Universe by his own son Gyges, is stated to be the father of the Universe and also stated to be he who created everything else in the Greek Pantheon. It doesn't get any more blatant than this. If you still refuse to accept that, then I can't even be bothered to respond to any of your further comments.
Like I said, minor details that only add further context but don't necessarily contradict what happens in the source.
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A LOT. The fact that Uranus in the artbook is verbatim called the Heavens in the artbook only adds to further solidify the two being the exact same event. That's as blatant as this gets.
Literally just told you twice now what it adds to the discussion.
Already explained to you why this is wrong and why WoG isn't a contradiction here but more so a supporting point, so I can't be bothered anymore. Let's just agree to disagree and stop debating this further and focus on the votes at hand.
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You're just repeating your own claim. Like I said, these two pieces of information:
1) That Uranus created the universe
2) The fight scene
Do not, by themselves, justify the conclusion that the fight scene is the creation of the universe. It seems like you know that you have no argument here, which is why you keep meandering around the actual discussion with things like "did you click the links" or "If you still refuse to accept that, then I can't be bothered to respond."
Frankly, you're setting up an "out" for yourself to retreat from the discussion because you recognize how little ground you have to stand on. I mean, for goodness sake, you just posted a quote from the senior writer of the game saying it wasn't the creation of the universe but that it was just galaxies, and somehow "it doesn't get any more blatant than this?" How about, oh, I don't know, actual evidence? I think that would in-fact be more blatant than this.
Nothing in the source suggests their fight created the universe. That's clearly headcanon contradicted directly by the senior writer.
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The fact that Uranus is called "the Heavens" does not mean their fight was the creation of the universe. That's such a bizarre non-sequitur.
In consecutive comments with no input from me. Why are you making it sound like you've had to tell me multiple times when you simply posted it twice before I could respond?
You have no evidence, just an assumption based on two completely disconnected pieces of information. This third piece of info you just added (that Uranus was called "the Heavens") does nothing to change that but you're acting like it does, but conveniently refusing to actually support that with reasoning, and your own WoG scan contradicts you and says that what was happening there was merely the creation of galaxies, and now we just agree to disagree and stop the debate? Wow.
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Right, because instead of doing the right thing and conceding an argument when it's been exposed that your evidence is clearly insufficient and you posted a WoG scan that contradicts your own argument extremely blatantly, you make some dismissive remark about how unreasonable I am as a cover for exiting the discussion without being forced to defend your bad argument any further. That's a convenient approach.
No idea. The primary focal point of this thread is fairly simple. I assume people are dragging in lots of side subjects unnecessarily to try and pad the absence of evidence beyond "this is a higher realm with more power, therefore it's infinitely greater" which is just, you know, really bad.
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