Shifting this to Staff-Only I suppose.
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Arguments against Low 1-C and HDE
First and foremost, I will now proceed to examine each piece of evidence that is being utilized to support the justification.
The
primary evidence in question is the central statement within the verse, which is derived directly from the canon itself and not from the author or any interviews. Hence, it holds the significance of serving as the foremost substantiating factor.
My sacrifice to save Zeus has brought me to a higher existence -
0:21 in this video
Second statement being used for the justification is: (from author's interpretation)
she was the one Greek God who did something selfless, she sacrificed herself to protect Zeus and that actually allowed her to ascend to higher realm, and she ended up realising: oh look there is more power up here, so its sort of corrupts her a little -
0:47 in this video
The third link leads to the same content but from a different timeframe.
Based on my initial analysis of the video, which is currently 2 minutes and 41 seconds long, it seems that a comprehensive understanding or interpretation does not necessarily require an extensive amount of knowledge or context. However, if additional context is deemed necessary, it is the responsibility of the supporter to provide it as a means of justifying their statements. Therefore, when we commonly assert that "context is needed," it does not necessarily imply that a statement should be understood solely within the framework of an interview or author's statements, separate from the video clip itself.
The video begins with Kratos making a statement indicating that he and Zeus are not yet finished. This suggests that there may have been a previous conflict or battle between them, and Kratos, in his own way, refuses to acknowledge his defeat. Furthermore, his mention of "The Gates of Hades have never held me" reinforces this interpretation, serving as an expression indicating that he has never been overcome by significant challenges or adversities. It conveys a sense of resilience, strength, and the ability to surmount obstacles.
For those who may not be familiar with the concept, in Greek mythology, the Gates of Hades, also known as the Gates of the Underworld, symbolize the entrance to the realm of the dead ruled by the god Hades.
Subsequently, Athena enters the scene and utters the statement, "Death cannot hold those with purpose, Kratos." This remark suggests that individuals, like Kratos in this instance, who possess a strong sense of purpose or a profound drive in their lives, are not easily defeated by death or the powers of Hades. It implies that individuals driven by a higher cause or those who possess a clear mission or goal in life are capable of transcending the limitations of mortality.
It is important to note that the intent of this interpretation is not to argue that Kratos is immortal (he is proven to be one, later on), as that is not the focus. Rather, it is to underscore the idea that individuals who are motivated by their goals, values, or ideals have the capacity to achieve remarkable feats and leave a lasting impact on the world, even in the face of mortality.
Kratos expresses curiosity regarding Athena's appearance, while she seems to have missed him. Although this exchange of conversation occurs, let us not dwell on it, as it is a minor aspect of the overall context.
Subsequently, she articulates the following proposition:
My sacrifice to save Zeus has brought me to a higher existence
This aspect holds utmost significance, yet it seems to be largely overlooked. In examining the initial response provided by Kratos, it becomes apparent that...
You still appear to be an Olympian
This statement does not align with the concept of higher-dimensional existence (HDE) in mathematics, nor does it correspond to a contextual representation of a low 1-C statement. To be frank, it can be considered an anti-feat. Kratos made this statement in response to the notion of a "higher existence" being mentioned, and it is evident that the appearance of this entity has changed. It is important to note that the term "higher existence" does not imply the ability to universally influence, create, or destroy spatial entities of magnitudes that surpass those of a space-time continuum by one to two levels of infinity.
In fact, if one were to argue that this statement is an example of an HDE statement, it raises the question of why Kratos initially responded by referring to the woman's appearance. This contextual inconsistency is quite perplexing.
It is possible that my perspective is incorrect due to a lack of familiarity with the verse. To address this, let us examine the next statement that provides evidence supporting the idea that this “higher existence” was indeed referring to physical appearance:
Appearances can be deceiving, Kratos
Subsequently, the ensuing conversation revolves around their previous disputes. However, a noteworthy aspect emerges, wherein her selfless act yields a distinct advantage:
I see truths where I did not before.
Following a discussion, she acquired the blades of exile from Kratos' body, which had previously sustained damage.
Subsequently, she departed and vanished. Eventually, the gameplay became visible.
Now, let us delve into the topic of scaling and powerscaling in this video. The concept of a higher existence encompasses her manifestation, which aligns with Kratos' assertions. Through her sacrificial act, she possesses the ability to perceive truths and traverse the physical vessels of individuals in order to seize them. However, these factors hold no relevance in the context of low 1-C scaling.
Considering the broader context, it is difficult to perceive how any of this suggests low 1-C or HDE (the current HDE necessitates more comprehensive mathematical and dimensional explanations). Rather, these aspects predominantly pertain to spiritual realms.
Author's interpretation
Now, I will proceed to the second video in which the author provides an explanation. The author focuses on emphasizing the significance of Athena's character art and the importance of paying attention to its intricate details. Let us now examine how this understanding contributes to justifying Athena's placement at the low 1-C level.
The author initially highlights the importance of Athena's character art and subsequently presents a justification for her ascension to a higher realm through a significant sacrifice.
To clarify, the primary evidence presented employs the term "
existence," which the author interprets as "
realm." Furthermore, the author uses the term "
plane" and also describes the act of "going to
a place that is higher than anyone else." After analyzing the author's arguments, it is apparent that these terms are meant to refer to a place, realm, or plane of existence, rather than a mere state of being. Therefore, the consideration of additional dimensions or axes, as suggested by the concept of HDE, is unwarranted in this context.
The situation is analogous to Mori's case, where he also ascends to a higher plane. While some argue that a comparison between the two cases may be unfair, citing the need for more context, I will reserve judgment until such context is presented.
Upon watching
the entire video, the author confirms the notion I previously mentioned, namely, the corruption being a significant aspect. It is important to emphasize that the higher power that many individuals equate with a “higher existence” is fundamentally incorrect. Instead, the term “higher power” simply implies that one gains power upon entering this higher realm.
This is a crucial point because it necessitates
defining the nature and capabilities of this higher power. Thus far, I have not encountered any instances where this power universally affects or destroys objects that possess spatial dimensions corresponding to one to two levels of infinity greater than a space-time continuum.
If such instances exist, I request that you kindly bring them to my attention. As of now, the assertion that this higher realm and power are synonymous is entirely false.
In fact, within the narrative and contextual context, these terms are used
distinctively. While ascending to a higher realm grants an individual higher power, it does not indicate the extent or potency of that power. The videos I have observed thus far do not provide a definitive definition for this power, and I remain skeptical that one exists.
Conclusion
The following points outline the key concepts discussed:
- The term “higher existence” pertains to a superior plane, realm, or place, and does not imply a higher power.
- In this particular context, “higher power” signifies the attainment of an elevated plane, which may or may not involve extra-dimensionality or physicality.
- There is no evidence supporting the notion of higher dimensionality or qualitative superiority.
- The concept of Higher Dimensional Existence does not apply to these instances and justification.
- The idea that appearance is corrupted after comprehending the author's explanation is also expressed.
It is possible to achieve qualitative superiority through the acquisition of higher power, which encompasses various forms of transcendence. However, without proper context or evidence showcasing the capabilities of this power, it cannot be incorporated into our tiering system. As no feats or scenes demonstrating such powers have been observed.
Assuming the interpretation of higher planes in the same manner as in
Mori's case is not an entirely incorrect proposition. However, it is important to distinguish this particular situation from the fact that it involves a low 1-C classification, based solely on the usage of the term “higher power” being equated with a “higher plane." This misconception arises from the assumption that the term “higher plane” carries a mathematical connotation, which is fundamentally flawed (
as I have previously stated). It should be noted that none of the evidence presented provides any mathematical references or contexts and purely based on mythological and theological context.
To summarize, there is a lack of evidence, including any notable accomplishments, to support the existence of an additional spatial dimensionality. This lack of evidence extends to any consideration of a low 1-C rating or any plausible rating. Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the term "higher place" is used within a theological framework rather than a mathematical one, as it does not find application in any other context.
