Instant Death Discussion Thread

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I personally think ability and tier revisions should be separated, but I won't be the one making the thread so...oh well.

It wont be too much abilities, since it'll only cover Yogiri and UEG

 

[Bernkastelll]

 

[Delta333]

I still want to see the scan about piercing through 20 layers of resistance to death abilities tho,I mean if ID is 4-D hax(possibly be 5-D) then those layers of resistance must resist hax in the same dimensionality as well,because if not then Yogiri bypasses it not because of negating resistance

 

[Elizhaa]

On the RF points for dimensions, it legit could be extended for all dimension references in the verse not just be limited to 5-D.

 

[YungManzi]

I still want to see the scan about piercing through 20 layers of resistance to death abilities tho,I mean if ID is 4-D hax(possibly be 5-D) then those layers of resistance must resist hax in the same dimensionality as well,because if not then Yogiri bypasses it not because of negating resistance

You're somewhat correct. 20 layers is supposed to be based on skill resistance and immunity iirc. And a skill has 10 to 20 levels.

But there's some more context to add that complicates things quite a bit. Like level resistance and god physiology. To where, gods should have the same powers and resistances of those in a lower hierarchy, but upscaled, so if both UEG and Yogiri scale to the same dimensionality and he killed her, he would still have that same negation on that dimensional level.

 

[Delta333]

You're somewhat correct. 20 layers is supposed to be based on skill resistance and immunity iirc. And a skill has 10 to 20 levels.

But there's some more context to add that complicates things quite a bit. Like level resistance and god physiology. To where, gods should have the same powers and resistances of those in a lower hierarchy, but upscaled, so if both UEG and Yogiri scale to the same dimensionality and he killed her, he would still have that same negation on that dimensional level.

Did Yogiri kill UEG by using his death ability?Because iirc he absorbed UEG into his nothingness instead of using ID,so it's hard to scale to resistance negation for his death manip

 

[YungManzi]

That's true.

 

[Elizhaa]

Did Yogiri kill UEG by using his death ability?Because iirc he absorbed UEG into his nothingness instead of using ID,so it's hard to scale to resistance negation for his death manip

I am pretty sure it would still have resistance negation at worst for something like absorption/death; its state of being is still like the END, so I am sure why instant death would not necessarily scale.

 

[Shyouu]

Did Yogiri kill UEG by using his death ability?Because iirc he absorbed UEG into his nothingness instead of using ID

UEG was killed passively due to the fact she tried to kill yogiri so she was killed by ID. Absorbing into nothingness is a factor to his ability, it doesn't differentiate at all.

 

[Elizhaa]

I saw this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/some-addition-to-rick-id.118767/
I will be busy soon which could limit me for applying the accepted parts for a while so I posted the CRT in case someone is available.

 

[Delta333]

I'm fine if UEG was passively killed by his death ability but I don't remember anything like that happened so whatever
BTW why is UEG 5-D exactly?

 

[Shyouu]

BTW why is UEG 5-D exactly

She isn't currently listed as 5D doe?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I'm fine if UEG was passively killed by his death ability but I don't remember anything like that happened so whatever

She attacked the avatar, so she was killed by the avatar first (?). The whole proccess is strange tbh.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Eh Oblivion_Of_The_Endless once you make the low 1-C upgrade thread can you link it here pls?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yes

 

[Delta333]

She attacked the avatar, so she was killed by the avatar first (?). The whole proccess is strange tbh.

So Yogiri's nothingness absorbed her corpse??I can't read raw so Idk what actually happened

 

[Gohanblanco217]

So Yogiri's nothingness absorbed her corpse??I can't read raw so Idk what actually happened

Shouldn't Yogiri True form have some kind of BFR or sealing based on this?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

My headcanon is that we got to see what happened after someone is killed by his death hax (Koryuu stated that UEG was in a limbo-like state).

If you think about it, the true form is the end of all things, so when avatar Yogiri killed UEG we got to see her returning to the true form/nothingness, aka the end, or her end embodied...is what it seems like and makes sense ig.

 

[Delta333]

it sounds like returning to the primeval state rather than the end

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Shouldn't Yogiri True form have some kind of BFR or sealing based on this?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/instant-death-revisions-part-2.121090/

 

[Delta333]

Imagine mention to lots of things about 5-D recently and that thread is trying to upgrade to 6-D or even countless D lol never expect it

 

[Bernkastelll]

Just want to point that this legend tried but failed some months ago, F

 

[Shyouu]

He was a great man, sadly he failed

 

[Fixxed]

Ask
Can you send this feats? (UEG)

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2; Managed to keep existing even after being conceptually destroyed by Rick's sword. A true God doesn't require its body, mind, soul or concept to exist),

 

[Shyouu]

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2; Managed to keep existing even after being conceptually destroyed by Rick's sword. A true God doesn't require its body, mind, soul or concept to exist),

Here is the quote of Rick's sword having conceptual damage or the concept of god-killing

「お前は神殺しの剣士で、手にするのは神殺しの聖剣だ。この組み合わせであれば神殺しの概念を補強することができる」

　リックは、聖剣オーズでヴァハナトという女神を殺したことがある。
　その事実が、神殺しの概念を強化するのだろう。正直なところ、リックにはその理屈がよくわからなかったのだが、聖王がそう言うのなら信じるしかなかった。
　リックは、仰向けに倒れ、何かを喋りかけたまま固まっているＵＥＧを見た。

Here's the quote of Rick killing vahanato because of it

　ヴァハナトを殺した際には、もともとあった傷に剣を突き立てた。そここそがその時偶然にもあらわれていた唯一の弱点であり、ヴァハナトが万全の状態なら攻撃は通用しなかったはずだ。
　ではＵＥＧが相手ではどうか。右足を失い傷ついてはいる。だが、そこが弱点になるとは思えなかった。そこは彼女の本質とは無関係の部分なのだ。
　聖剣が熱を帯び、ひとりでに動こうとしていた。その先端が向く先はＵＥＧの胸の中心だった。
　聖剣は、そこを貫けばいいと訴えているようだ。

Here's the quote of Rick piercing UEG's core (concept) that lies beyond cannot be reached by ordinary attacks and basically killing her.

リックは慎重に、聖剣を突き下ろした。
　聖剣は封印の境界を通過し、ＵＥＧの胸に到達する。聖剣は服を貫き、肉を裂く。その先にある核には、普通の攻撃では到達し得ない。だが、神殺しの聖剣はＵＥＧの核を探り当てた。
　手応えを感じたリックは、さらに剣を深く突きおろす。
　聖剣は核を貫いた。聖剣はその状態で爆発的な力を解き放った。
　ＵＥＧの内で放たれた力は、核を砕き、核によって保たれていた肉体を崩壊させる。
　ばらばらになったＵＥＧは、光となって霧散した。

「正直、いきなり召喚されてわけがわかっていないんですけど、これで終わったんですよね？」
「はい……ＵＥＧは完全に消滅しました」

Here's the quote of UEG appearing once again (and also the infamous quote of A true God doesn't have any sort of weakness. Not to mention, such an existence is unbound by the concept of death in the first place.) Now this isn't regeneration as she didn't regen but rather she just appeared, simply as "non-existent". Additionally the body was stated to be completely disappeared, and her presence was completely gone, implying that she didn't regenerated or reformed.

聖王が驚きの声をあげると、背後から返事があった。
　リックたちが振り向くと、ＵＥＧが立っていた。
　先ほどまでと変わりない様子で、呆れたように聖王たちを見つめている。

「死んだんじゃないんですか!?」
「馬鹿な……確かに核は破壊できたはず……」
「核を潰されて死ぬようなのはそこらにいくらでもおる有象無象の神を名乗る者どもであろう。真なる神であれば弱点なぞ存在しない。そもそも死という概念とは無縁じゃからな」

　確実に手応えはあった。
　そこにあった体は完全に消滅しているし、気配は完全になくなっていた。リックは倒せたと確信していたのだ。
　なのにいつの間にかそこにいる。
　それはリックの理解できる範囲を超えていた。ここまで理不尽な相手を前にして、次に打つべき手などまるで思い浮かばなかったのだ。

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

When gods die they are not truly deceased yet and are sent to realm of nothingness where their body will slowly reform. And well, if they die by conceptual attacks or not its no matter, they'll be sent there anyway, hence NEP2, with UEG being the only one to freely come back at any time while the other gods takes some time.

 

[Fixxed]

she didn't regenerated or reformed.

So why UEG get High godly regeneration ? With same feats?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

A few moments later we see her with a physical body, so, she reformed herself.

 

[Delta333]

Yogiri killed UEG when she was NEP type 2 or when she has returned with her physical body?

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

If ones can't permanently be a void then they shouldn't be NEP at the first place.

Dies, returns to nothingness, then slowly reform, sounds like slow High-Godly regeneration or just High-Godly resurrection.

 

[YungManzi]

If ones can't permanently be a void then they shouldn't be NEP at the first place.

Dies, returns to nothingness, then slowly reform, sounds like slow High-Godly regeneration or just High-Godly resurrection.

All gods' true form is Nonexistent.

The physical bodies that we see interacting with any reality are literally all avatars of the nonexistent form. So even that 1-B state is an avatar.

 

[Elizhaa]

If ones can't be permanently be a void then they shouldn't be NEP at the first place.

Dies, return to nothingness then slowly reform, sounds like slow High-Godly regeneration or just High-Godly resurrection.

I get it. Though, if they can act in the state without a need for regeneration, while I am neutral on the matter, I don't really see a problem with listing NEP when they are erased. From precedence, such cases like on Monika's profile are already accepted as applicable.

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

All gods' true form is Nonexistent.

The physical bodies that we see interacting with any reality are literally all avatars of the nonexistent form. So even that 1-B state is an avatar.

If that's true, then sure.

I get it. Though, if they can act in the state with a need for regeneration, while I am neutral on the matter, I don't really see a problem with listing NEP when they are erased. From precedence, such cases like on Monika's profile are already accepted as applicable.

Well, I'm actually nowhere knowledgable for the verse, I'm just saying that High-Godly regeneration might be the case here since they too, are type 2 NEP even for a moment. Also, I'm perfectly fine with getting NEP via EE though.

 

[Elizhaa]

Sure.

 

[Delta333]

Yogiri killed UEG when she was NEP type 2 or when she has returned with her physical body?

 

[Shyouu]

Yogiri killed UEG when she was NEP type 2 or when she has returned with her physical body?

The latter

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Shouldn't true form Yogiri have Sealing/BFR since he was able to trap UEG in his own nothingness?

 

[Shyouu]

Shouldn't true form Yogiri have Sealing/BFR since he was able to trap UEG in his own nothingness?

He didn't trap her. It's just what happens when someone dies by yogiri

 

[Elizhaa]

I got a comment on Yogiri's second key; it has Large Size 10 so I think it should have Immeasurable strength via Sheer Size.
Type 10 (Higher-Order): Characters larger than a conventional multiverse, having size equivalent to higher infinities.

Immeasurable	---	---	---	Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and / or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior

On this note, upgrades for UEG and Tojiro's Lifting Strenght should have to happen given that they can grapple higher-dimensional matter in their fight, in this chapter :

The part of the things like the stars being solid was already accepted from the past thread. I think I can make the thread after the recent thread is concluded.