Vietthai96
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Ngl here, i just ICE skills in organizing contents, no offend to Luffy, but his skills at presenting the contents isn't the best
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『INFINITE UNIVERSE IN DRAGON BALL SUPER』
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While this CRT is held up on toothpicks in my view, it's also solely based on thr DBS Manga. Using anime scenes wouldn't qualify as a Manga anti-feat.
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Pretty sure she says this in the anime as well
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That's not in question. The scenes Damage provides are from the anime, but this CRT already accepts that the anime doesn't have infinite sized universes and only focuses on the manga.
Which is why I said it's held up on toothpicks, since it's solely based on a bunch of unverified flowery guidebook statements and crumble on the first anti-feat shown.
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I'm Brazilian and i use a translator,
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Well, i presented counter arguments for this among other points were shown here, Bulma doesn't have much confidence when talking about cosmology ( besides, we removed the Universe in the form of bubbles from the manga and anime, because the map of the anime and manga contracts the existing kingdoms )
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Unless the statement happens in the manga or a joint canon material then it wouldn't be relevant in the first place unless you were also trying to make the DBS anime infinite sized as well, which I disagree with.
EDIT: Reading this I see it's a joint DBS upgrade. In that case put me in disagree with Damage. I don't think the DBS anime would qualify, just the manga.
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But Bulma's points were refuted here ,here and here
We no longer have any contradictions, since the bubble-shaped Universes and everything else based on this nonsense of having a limit have been removed.
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I don't consider those refutations but just a general counter argument.
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Moreover, Jaco's response to this is exactly the same in the manga as well lmao
Vietthai96
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Peoples still keep riding on Bulma statement while she is proven to be wrong??
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Yes, it's the same argument repeated endlessly
Vietthai96
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Somehow Bulma who only travelled once from Earth to Namek is more reliable than Jaco who work Galactic Patroller who travel the universe on daily basis cause his works and the guidebook statements, is completely beyond me
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Are we reading the same thing? because he doesn't debunk her saying there's an edge or there is a center. He just says its difficult to reach the center of the universe and no one knows where it is.
Also:
It takes a finite amount of time to go from Beerus's planet to the nameless planet, which exists at the boundary between universe 6 or 7.
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Taking a finite amount of time to cross two points that don't exist in the same space doesn't debunk an infinite-sized universe
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The Speed standards say that if you cross an infinite distance in a finite time, it is infinite speed
Also, that planet according to the Super Interval Special is outside the 12 universes
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The space between Earth and Beerus's planet is finite. Explain why it takes 38 minutes for Whis's craft to travel a finite distance but then takes two hours to travel an infinite distance? If the craft can travel infinite distance then it should travel to Beerus's planet instantaneously.
The only way this logic makes sense is if the distance between earth and beerus's planet is also infinite.
Vietthai96
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Can you show me where it show the distance between Earth and Beerus planet??
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Beerus' planet exists in a separate realm
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You got me there. There is no evidence of where exactly is it.
Eh. The term realm can also be used in a political/social way, not just as a spatial dimension.
Vietthai96
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What???, political, social realm??, that is new to me
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The chapter makes note of Goku and Gas warping from "planet to planet." The use of realm sticks out
Also I'm fairly certain the distance of Earth to King Kai's planet has been compared to the distance between it and Beerus' planet, so it seems like it's in a separate realm
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Yes. You can refer to a piece of land as King's realm, or a Lord's realm. It has political and social aspects.
That doesn't really differentiate it, but let's not get swept up in semantics. It's not really important to this.
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No need for snark. Realm can mean political social aspects. The provided material shows other wise. I can only go off what has been shown to me.
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Why is that relevant to the thread?
You're the only one who gets to talk about the semantics of one measly word, which is beside the point.
Besides, what relevance does the Planet of Beerus have to the size of the Universe? We have not been told the exact distance from earth to the planet of Beerus. What you want to do is just to assume a distance that nobody has said, your whole current argument is just based on a bad analogy.
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I really wonder if a verse as sailor moon would get affected by that logic since it's stated that space-time has an edge 
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Ok let's not start bringing up other unrelated versesI really wonder if a verse as sailor moon would get affected by that logic since it's stated that space-time has an edge
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You can go ahead and try and see how that one plays out.I really wonder if a verse as sailor moon would get affected by that logic since it's stated that space-time has an edge
I literally just said it doesn’t matter and we shouldn’t get caught up in semantics. Right after conceding my point about beerus’s realm.
Are people actually reading what i wrote or we just going to respond to the same over and over?
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While I found it funny; I agree with you. Let's not derail the thread, any more than it already is, honestly.
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Good thing you realized what a bad analogy you were making.
Now you can stop bringing up topics that are irrelevant to the thread, thank you.
Now we can wait for the staff, I think that is the best current course of action.
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Here's how I see this:
- 8 examples of an Infinite Universe have been shown and presented, more than enough to suffice as evidence. Which have been agreed upon as sufficient as long as nothing solid and contradictory is shown
- Bulma's "observable" Universe point is useless because she herself has a limited understanding of the universe especially when Jaco elaborated that her scale of the universe was off by a long shot with it being "Countless" Galaxies across.
- We have no scale of distance between Beerus' planet and Earth, with Beerus' planet being potentially "in another realm", and then the distance between BP and the Nameless being irrelevant because its in a Neutral Space.
what exactly solid do we have to contradict the Infinite Universe other than 8 "flowery language" examples
- 8 examples of an Infinite Universe have been shown and presented, more than enough to suffice as evidence. Which have been agreed upon as sufficient as long as nothing solid and contradictory is shown
- Bulma's "observable" Universe point is useless because she herself has a limited understanding of the universe especially when Jaco elaborated that her scale of the universe was off by a long shot with it being "Countless" Galaxies across.
- We have no scale of distance between Beerus' planet and Earth, with Beerus' planet being potentially "in another realm", and then the distance between BP and the Nameless being irrelevant because its in a Neutral Space.
what exactly solid do we have to contradict the Infinite Universe other than 8 "flowery language" examples
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So 8 consistent evidences are being rejected on the basis of 1 inconsistent unreliable counter? Nah that's bs, the infinite Universe argument makes sense over here.
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8 guide book states that two contradict each other (infinite galaxies vs infinite darkness)
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In source quote that the universe has an edge that is never contradicted in the manga
To be more accurate
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In source quote that the universe has an edge that is never contradicted in the manga
To be more accurate
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