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In Regards to Acnologia's resistances

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This is a topic that I have been considering since Acnologia's resistance and ability to consume magic were revealed in the Manga. It is no news to anyone that this ability made him virtually invincible in his verse, but considering the power itself and its loose definition; it seems likely to be greatly wanked or severely nerfed and treated constantly as an NLF making it virtually worthless in debates, so essentially the whole point of this thread is to establish concrete limitations on this ability and where exactly it has jurisdiction.


Before I make any points of how far I believe his resistances should go I think it is worth noting that Acnologia is implied to have the highest magical resistance in-verse and as such I believe it is worth scaling him to other characters with any notable resistances.


To start off with the obvious; Acnologia has clear resistances against most conventional magical attacks including beams of magical energy as shown [here] and elemental attacks as shown in his battle with the dragon slayers when he negated Laxus lightning [here]. This is clear and honestly need not be reiterated.

Acnologia also shows resistance to the more unconventional forms of magic too- and it's at this point that things become rather murky.

• Mind hax: this shows itself on 2 separate occasions the first is during the eclipse arc when future Rogue notes that his magic designed to control dragons [had no effect] on Acnologia. He displays it once again during his bout with the dragon slayers where Cobra- a character who specialises in reading minds- notes that [he can't here Acnologia's thoughts]. This should give Acnologia some degree of protection against mind based attacks and precog dependant on reading the opponents thoughts.

• Durability negation + Spatial manipulation: this is scaled from August the character with possibly the second best resistance to most magical attacks in-verse and from Acnologia's previous encounter with Gildarts FT's poster boy for durability negation. August has shown no problem in negating Gildarts crash magic as seen [here] [and] [here] couple this with the fact that Gildarts previous meeting with Acnologia left him half dead and missing several body parts this isn't above the realm of possibility. August also negates [Fairy] [Glitter] a purifying spell that apparently negates durability. In regards to the spatial manipulation Minerva a character who specialises in spatial manipulation notes that [her attacks do nothing] and we even see what appears to be Acnologia consuming her magic. This should allow Acnologia some defence to certain "Holy" techniques, standard durability negation and spatial manipulation.

• Time hax: This is arguably Acnologia's most famous feat; [consuming] the Ravines of time. For clarification the ROT is defined [here]; the simplest definition I can give you is it appears to be a massive concentration of time magic as a result of constant time travel shenanigans in FT. This should afford Acnologia some measure of defence against time based techniques, like time stop, an ability Natsu has shown he can [resist], so it should logically scale to him.

• Soul Manipulation: Natsu, Lucy and Happy (of all ppl) have shown [here] to be able to resist their souls being sucked out of their body for a brief period of time.

• Existence erasure: There are 2 instances wherein existence erasure is used in FT and both times the attacks were negated. The first instance was it used by Brain here and was [resisted] by Natsu. The second instance it was used by Mard Geer where he describes it [here] and it was [negated] by Gray. It should be noted that these 2 feats were done by Natsu and Gray while they were significantly weaker than they are presently. Acnologia himself also has a feat of surviving an attack that should have erased him, I'm of the impression that this should scale to Acnologia due to his obvious superiority in the resistance department.

In summary, Acnologia should have resistances to most standard magical attacks, time, spatial, soul and mind manipulation along with durability negation and existence erasure. Please let me know your thoughts on this and if there are any disagreements please make them clear thank you.

P.S how should we classify [this], dude literally punched through space time, I'm of the impression it classifies as durability negation but I'm no expert on such matters.

P.P.S It's past 3 in the morning, I have an exam in 2 weeks and I've been studying all day I need to sleep and likely won't reply to this in the next 8 hours or so. Pls forgive any errors and be patient if you have any enquiries.
 
I agree expect for his durability negation resistance ( I'm not even sure if that's a thing ) and existence erasure. Just because weaker characters have resisted certain abilities doesn't mean Anco should also get those resistances.


Also none of those links work
 
Ok fixed them.

I understand and see y u disagree with the durability negation (I'm also unsure if that's a rreal thing) but my reasoning for that is that we've seen it negated by a character who has a resistance inferior to Acnologia's, and we know from Gildarts himself that he was utterly stomped in his initial encounter with Acno, so it isnt above the realm of possibility that Acnologia's resistance to magic also covers that.

In regards to the existance erasure, ur actuually correct i shouldn't simply assume that because a weaker character can do it so can Acnologia. But considering this is what ROT was supposed to do to Acno- and it should fall under the definition of Existence erasure- and he survived it I'm of the impression it should work.
 
1:Shouldn't that just be resistance to spatial manipulation?

2:perhaps but I'm confused as to why Natsu and the other's were fine. Natsu was obviously gonna be erased from Existence if Gray didn't step in during the Mard fight so i don't know why him and the other's aren't being erased here.
 
1) maybe, Gildarts magic has never been really given a clear definition per se

2)if ur referring to his battle with Brain, he was in Dragon force at that point so that likely played a factor then.
 
Resistance? He can't get any resistance cause he simply absorbs magic before anything happens. Which is why we took down resistance on mind manipulation he once had.
 
WilliamShadow said:
Resistance? He can't get any resistance cause he simply absorbs magic before anything happens.
Absorption and resistance, he consumes conventional forms of magic yes, but as shown when Laxus tries to electrify him and Cobras mind reading not working on him even though he wasn't actively doing anything (how would he eat mind hax anyway?) even if he doesn't consume the spell it's effect is greatly (if not completely) diminished essentially both work hand in hand
 
I don't know how or what he does, but he simply can't get hurt by magic if any of those abilities was done with curse or any other power it would have worked on him.

Also Cobra says he can't read his heart and that has nothing to do with magic it's just a person don't forget that even Natsu was able to fight without thinking stopping Cobra from reading his mind.
 
WilliamShadow said:
I don't know how or what he does, but he simply can't get hurt by magic if any of those abilities was done with curse or any other power it would have worked on him.
I'm aware of what he can or can't do, but simply saying "all" magic is useless against him is a NLF, the whole point of this is to avoid that and judge what he can and can't do by what he has shown and what he reasonably should be able to do based on his past showings- I'm personally not fond of NLF's in any way so I refuse to have another "The Almighty"
 
^But it was stated and shown direct magic is worthless on him so I don't see how is that NLF. You don't seem to understand that he eats magic not the ability that magic posses simply magic.
 
He also can eat the magic power of a person, because when Jellal used "Meteor" against Acno, the latter absorbed all his magic and drained Jellal.
 
  • Implying he has Soul Manipulation Resistance just because Natsu and co. do is not the way to go.
  • Existence erasure Just because Mard Geer's and Zero's technique were broken out of, doesn't mean he can also.
  • Resistance to space-time stuff he should have this. He broke out of another dimension by eating it.
  • Resistance to mind hax Rephrase that to mind reading and I agree.
@David I was making a point. Get it? Okay I'm done.
 
Captain Torch said:
He also can eat the magic power of a person, because when Jellal used "Meteor" against Acno, the latter absorbed all his magic and drained Jellal.
This as well.
 
Now regarding the whole "Acnologia is immune to magic" thing. Acnologia doesn't exactly have "resistance" to magic, he absorbs it (Cobra's mind reading doesn't count as Magic, it's just heightened hearing).

Now normally absorbption abilities have shown to have limits, but Acnologia has shown no such limits. Now obviously to say he can absorb Universe level magic is absurd, but he should be able to absorb any and all magic from his tier and below.
 
ScarletFirefly said:
@David I was making a point. Get it? Okay I'm done.
I... feel as though there's a joke in there.

In regards to existence erasure; I adjusted the OP to note that he survived the ROT after Knight brought up that same point. I only left the Natsu and Gray thing to show that existence erasure and resisting it are common place within FT.

And the soul thing? Yeah no excuse I was already half asleep at that point, so ur issue with that is reasonable.
 
WilliamShadow said:
Direct magic is worthless but indirect magic still works.
Ok so ur suggesting that Acnologia will survive a technique that rewrites causality so as to never miss? Cuz that's a very direct technique, it ends with the person at the wrong end of it with a spear to the heart.
 
Davidsteel1 said:
Cuz that's a very direct technique, it ends with the person at the wrong end of it with a spear to the heart.
Hmm, this seems awfully familiar :)

Also I don't think Acno can survive that, there's nothing to "absorb".
 
^indirect magic as it affects primary the spear not Acnologia himself it all depends on use. Also don't blame me blame Hiro for creating a similar character.
 
Hmm, this seems awfully familiar :)

Also I don't think Acno can survive that, there's nothing to "absorb".

I don't know what ur talking about :^)

But mind reading also has nothing to absorb and Acnologia resisted it just fine
 
Davidsteel1 said:
But mind reading also has nothing to absorb and Acnologia resisted it just fine
Hmm, now that I'm checking again, Erik's mind hearing is classified under Sound Magic.
 
ScarletFirefly said:
Hmm, now that I'm checking again, Erik's mind hearing is classified under Sound Magic.
Doesn't exactly counter the fact that Acnologia didn't absorb anything, and chances are he wasn't even aware Erik had that ability
 
Eric's abilty didn't work on Natsu in their combat as well since Natsu attacked without thinking and I doubt someone like Acnolgoia has the problem of empting his mind plus the fact they were fighting his soul and not body could mean a lot as well.

Also same would go for August he copied nothing...
 
Few things wrong with that comparison:

1) Natsu knew about Erik's ability and had been attempting to subvert it throughout their fight

2) Acnologia gave no indication that he knew anything about Erik's ability and assuming that he simply emptied his mind without reason is fallacious

3) How would Acnologia empty his mind anyway since what they were fighting was the physical embodiment of Acnologia's mind in the first place
 
Davidsteel1 said:
3) How would Acnologia empty his mind anyway since what they were fighting was the physical embodiment of Acnologia's mind in the first place
That's a good point.
 
@David Erik says I can't read his heart, well it's a soul and it doesn't have a heart. Plus the only thing you would read is "Destruction, destruction"
 
WilliamShadow said:
@David Erik says I can't read his heart, well it's a soul and it doesn't have a heart.
He says "He can't hear the voice of his heart". The heart obviously doesn't have a voice. Don't resort to semantics.
 
^it was more of reference to the fact that Cobra may need the physical body to able to read his mind.
 
WilliamShadow said:
^it was more of reference to the fact that Cobra may need the physical body to able to read his mind.
If he would need that, why would he even try to hear his mind then?
 
Because he doesn't know, in fact he was just as shocked as others on finding out that Acnologia's body is destroying the world outside plus why not try since he never fought a similar opponent, in order to know you limits you must try everything.
 
I guess. But I don't think it's due to him needing a physical body, that doesn't make much sense imo. His magic is based on sound. Anco's "mind" makes sounds so I don't see why it should need a physical body.
 
I think that ScarletFirefly seems to make sense.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that ScarletFirefly seems to make sense.
Ok, looks like we're reaching a con-census here.

@Scarlet what's ur thoughts on Acno surviving ROT doubling as Existence erasure?
 
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