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Immeasurable speed blazblue downgrade

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So it would not be applicable in combat?
If we're going with my suggestion it would just be "[Feat preformed in standard universe], Immeasurable while in [Dimensional Space thing]". So like, idk

"MFTL+ (Dabbed across the universe in one second), Immeasurable in boundary (can freely move forward and backwards through time and move to different points in time in other universes)"
 
mean that's entire sentence you just said there already shows me you don't take the system all that seriously and just look at it completely semantically jokingly type of way instead of a logical one. Tldr your version of immeasurable is a literal shitpost that ignores and construes the whole system by walking around temporal dimensions as not being a part of the expectation at all and it have it follow this one and deny via appeal to ignorance
You just proved to us that you don't even know immeasurable speed standards
 
And you don't have anything against my point that this not even in the same speed criteria cuz when the characters outside the boundary, they're don't even have some Immeasurable *****💀
I do have a point against it: there combat inside the boundary equals immeasurable speed into their combat which doesn't go away or just randomly decrease on a whim just because they're not in it. Now actually make a counter point cause the burden of proof is on your shoulders right now.
 
It's just like

In the main world, you're just a slow turtle, but when you're found gate to boundary, the boundary give you Ability to move trough space time 💀

The point is
The Immeasurable ***** (i don't even know why yall saying that's immeasurable) only worked in boundary, so when you're in battle (neutral place), the characters doesn't have immeasurable speed because they can't reach the boundary
 
You just proved to us that you don't even know immeasurable speed standards
Then show me quote for quote where I don't know instead throwing a arbitrary claim that I don't know when I've literally had to take text off the speed page right under all the extra questions about the speed to a T that everything defending the speed being immeasurable fits the criteria.
It's just like

In the main world, you're just a slow turtle, but when you're found gate to boundary, the boundary give you Ability to move trough space time 💀

The point is
The Immeasurable ***** (i don't even know why yall saying that's immeasurable) only worked in boundary, so when you're in battle (neutral place), the characters doesn't have immeasurable speed because they can't reach the boundary
Your still dodging my point on how it translates to combat speed, cause in that analogy if you're moving through time and space and are able to react and even in this all of that speed gained from there now translates into your combat and reaction without inherently having to equal to your travel speed.
 
Yes, it's is alot to say mostly just say your claims to what immeasurable speed is purely arbitrary. But even then I'd have to give you a mini lecture just to what the definition of arbitrary means.
Improve your reading comprehension then read my comment again and sit down. Moving in temporal dimension just like in spatial dimension were always been Immeasurable speed, which what "moving beyond time" in the speed page means. They are supposed to be synonymous since the latter is just a cool way to describe moving faster than time (i.e being faster than instant, time travel with speed, et cetera). It's not something special and never been an other standard or something like this.
 
Improve your reading comprehension then read my comment again and sit down. Moving in temporal dimension just like in spatial dimension were always been Immeasurable speed, which what "moving beyond time" in the speed page means. They are supposed to be synonymous since the latter is just a cool way to describe moving faster than time (i.e being faster than instant, time travel with speed, et cetera). It's not something special and never been an other standard or something like this.
No need to be snappy about it, but even then that interpretation of it isn't inherently right cause that's still in a closed vacuum of translating that type of speed only being applicable to time travel (e.i. only being travel speed and can only be travel speed and no other form of speed) which has been the underlying logic of what your trying to say immeasurable speed is but your not answering my question of how immeasurable speed can't translate into combat speed for outside the boundary.
 
No need to be snappy about it, but even then that interpretation of it isn't inherently right cause that's still in a closed vacuum of translating that type of speed only being applicable to time travel (e.i. only being travel speed and can only be travel speed and no other form of speed) which has been the underlying logic of what your trying to say immeasurable speed is but your not answering my question of how immeasurable speed can't translate into combat speed for outside the boundary.
I don't understand what makes you think on that way, and I never said anything about "Immeasurable speed can't translate into combat speed for outside the boundary". I'll just quote my old comment if it's relevant.

The best example is, us 3D beings, are capable to move around 3-dimensional axes (or 3D space in layman's terms), back-forth left-right up-down. Immeasurable speed on a very similar case, opens a new line of dimension to be explored; the time dimension. Which means them who can walk in the temporal dimension like in spatial dimension is qualified, them who can walk in a higher temporal dimension (say, 2D time) is qualified, despite being bounded to the spacetime themselves.

Time travel with speed translates the users to have Immeasurable reaction speed too, there's no reason to assume it's only applicable for travel speed, not combat.
 
So whats stopping other verses from getting speed rating of immeasurable which is exclusive to temporal dimensions, and normal rating in neutral realm.
I guess for this case I'm seeing it as them going to a different realm and using that realm's status as a temporal dimension to time travel.

Someone like Thanatos or Myx that I used earlier don't require that intermediate step. They can just will or move themselves forewords or backwards in time without needing too go to another realm.

I do agree that Immeasurable should be somewhere on the profile. I just don't know if it applies to them within a physical universe.
 
I don't understand what makes you think on that way, and I never said anything about "Immeasurable speed can't translate into combat speed for outside the boundary". I'll just quote my old comment if it's relevant.

The best example is, us 3D beings, are capable to move around 3-dimensional axes (or 3D space in layman's terms), back-forth left-right up-down. Immeasurable speed on a very similar case, opens a new line of dimension to be explored; the time dimension. Which means them who can walk in the temporal dimension like in spatial dimension is qualified, them who can walk in a higher temporal dimension (say, 2D time) is qualified, despite being bounded to the spacetime themselves.
No, I'm your definition of of immeasurable speed and how ineterping it makes it that it can't translate like that, cause this definition you brought only mentions how to get it through moving but not reacting, which is why there's this major disconnect between my definition and your definition.
Time travel with speed translates the users to have Immeasurable reaction speed too, there's no reason to assume it's only applicable for travel speed, not combat.
If you randomly run through time with clue of what time period your in you don't have it in reaction cause your just going with the flow but not reacting to where your going. That's one way you can interpret that way with time travel.
 
No, I'm your definition of of immeasurable speed and how ineterping it makes it that it can't translate like that, cause this definition you brought only mentions how to get it through moving but not reacting, which is why there's this major disconnect between my definition and your definition.

If you randomly run through time with clue of what time period your in you don't have it in reaction cause your just going with the flow but not reacting to where your going. That's one way you can interpret that way with time travel.
A person who can walk in the temporal dimension freely, as in the temporal dimension should be already have an Immeasurable speed reaction as per logic. Since there's no difference between him and your random guy who just normally walking around except for the number of dimensions they are able to move (which in this case, the 4th dimension is time).

In order to move, you need reaction speed to do so.

Which should be applicable as well to time travelling with sheer speed by default unless say, a fiction treat it like "randomly run through time without clue of what time period it is" like what you just said. It's case by case basis.
 
Time travel with speed translates the users to have Immeasurable reaction speed too, there's no reason to assume it's only applicable for travel speed, not combat.
Also this point literally just proves that all these going into the boundary have immeasurable cause you don't lose a speed rating just because it your not moving in one and not the another when going from travel to reaction.
 
In order to move, you need reaction speed to do so.
You can walk without eyes, it's called being blind. This is traveling speed and reaction/combat are two different speeds. You literally said the equivalent of a car needs reaction speed to move forward by over generalizing "movement" to bodily functions of reaction.
 
You can walk without eyes, it's called being blind. This is traveling speed and reaction/combat are two different speeds. You literally said the equivalent of a car needs reaction speed to move forward by over generalizing "movement" to bodily functions of reaction.
You can walk without eyes, correct. But that doesn't mean your reaction speed or reflex don't commensurate with the speed you're into.

You need a decent reaction speed to ride a car, not the car needs reaction speed. That's some better analogy for you.
 
You can walk without eyes, correct. But that doesn't mean your reaction speed or reflex don't commensurate with the speed you're into.

You need a decent reaction speed to ride a car, not the car needs reaction speed. That's some better analogy for you.
1. an act of changing physical location or position or of having this changed.
That's movement, by your examples everything must have reaction to move including inanimate objects which is why I said the car itself having reaction speed not driver being the illogical example cause your over generalizing the term movement to.
2. When I mean blind I all sense of direction to where your going and what's coming toward you aren't noticeable to you. And here's an example the wind has no eyes, has movement, but no reaction. This is how far your over generalizing of movement illogically branches into.
 
1. an act of changing physical location or position or of having this changed.
That's movement, by your examples everything must have reaction to move including inanimate objects which is why I said the car itself having reaction speed not driver being the illogical example cause your over generalizing the term movement to.
2. When I mean blind I all sense of direction to where your going and what's coming toward you aren't noticeable to you. And here's an example the wind has no eyes, has movement, but no reaction. This is how far your over generalizing of movement illogically branches into.
You seems really like to strawmanning since you've done it couple of times with my comments, it's not something really hard to grasp when reading my sentence.

What I mean is that, in order to move correctly without ******* up yourself, in examples like walking, running, kicking, punching, et cetera, respectively on the speed you're having. You need a reaction speed to make sure everything works fine, including a good reaction speed and reflex to not deal with traffic crash.
 
I'm in a agreement to change the topic, cause we're clearly getting nowhere right now with these back and forth semantics.
 
Back on topic, the immeasurable speed should stay because even by GreatIskandar's logic they should have immeasurable since they're moving, reacting to everything in the boundary and shouldn't be put into separate keys cause they would still have that type of reaction speed regardless if they're in or out of it.
 
Also Since movement clearly requires reaction to do so, "movement beyond linear time" isn't a figure of speech anymore cause movement isn't being treated as a non-literal thing in the context and most of everyone here is treating time as literal time/temporal dimensions since everyone here is using non figurative definitions.
 
I know see why immeasurable speed shouldn’t be a thing, it should just be those characters normal speed + time manipulation/time travel
 
So from what I am getting the characters can't move through time if they don't have access to the boundary?

Yea in that case I agree with the downgrade. Also can the characters access the boundary from any place and time they want? Or do they need some kind of special thing to access it? If it's the former you can probably index it as "immeasurable in the boundary" I suppose.
 
If they require the realm to time travel and don't feature the ability in real space I think its better to just split their speeds then. Since while I agree they're immeasurable they're only immeasurable there.
I agree with this change. It should preferably be applied.

Do we have any volunteers, along with accepted calculations for the character speeds in regular space?
 
I'm with neutral right now, but man i hope you guys don't get too much heated and throwing any of tantrum each other (looking at you @Ikelaggan @GreatIskandar14045 @AkumaNoHissatsu , at least from what i seen so far)

I just afraid you guys would have a bad blood against each others
I don't carry no bad blood with anyone, the fact that I'm defending blazblue when the prior downgrade thread atempt was from me. I'm willing to put any previous beef aside to at least defend the speed.
 
Do they go to the boundary through sheer speed or is it some kind of special access or ability that allows them to get there? Has that been cleared up?

What if they had the physical speed to be immeasurable in the normal universe but not the know-how or adaptations to actually time travel with it?

The analogy I'm coming up with is using a boat to cross the ocean. Theoretically possible for a person if they somehow had limitless stamina or gills or some shit. But since they dont they use a boat, but they still scale to the boat's speed since they see and steer its movements with no problem.

So...the boundary could be like a boat in my analogy.

shrug I dont know shit about BlazBlue tho.
 
I agree with this change. It should preferably be applied.

Do we have any volunteers, along with accepted calculations for the character speeds in regular space?
So about this...
 
Man it's not that hard
they would just have immeasurable combat and reaction speed
In the case of flight speed they would scale from the other feats and have immeasurable via accessing the boundary
It's not that complicated
 
Man it's not that hard
they would just have immeasurable combat and reaction speed
In the case of flight speed they would scale from the other feats and have immeasurable via accessing the boundary
It's not that complicated
I feel like even immeasurable combat and reaction speed is a stretch. There is no proof of them having such outside of the boundary. And you can't just assume they've always immeasurable reaction and combat speed.
 
I feel like even immeasurable combat and reaction speed is a stretch. There is no proof of them having such outside of the boundary. And you can't just assume they've always immeasurable reaction and combat speed.
This is here is a arbitrary claim you made, you can't pull the burden of proof card on the immeasurable speed in reaction/combat and assume it just immediately leaves and comes back on a whim.
 
Not really. All of the characters have Immeasurable Speed through scaling from the Boundary, and outside of it have iffy FTL. Immeasurable Combat and Reaction Speed via the boundary is a lot more realistic. Assuming they have Immeasurable Combat and Reaction outside of the boundary has nothing backing it while the FTL does have some proof.
 
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