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Ikki vs Culexus Assassin
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Culexus technically has and hasnt done this as well, they fight characters that can do that basically for a living but they null that shit.EmperorRorepme said:
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Culexus technically has and hasnt done this as well, they fight characters that can do that basically for a living but they null that shit.
That's about as impressive as me beating cobe bryan in basket by chopping off his legs before the game begins.
That's about as impressive as me beating cobe bryan in basket by chopping off his legs before the game begins.
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Kobe Bryant.
Also the whole nulling the power is the impressive part.
Also the whole nulling the power is the impressive part.
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Perhaps, but it's certainly not a skill feat for the culexus. That's like saying your more skilled then the most skilled martial artist in the world because you nuked them from the other side of the planet.
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Reason?
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Ikki's skill feats really don't appeal to me that much, showing little actual strategy rather than being an incredibly low-effort ham-fisted attempt at skill and intelligence, using all the most stereotypical and boring feats while lacking the strategy and skill I'd expect of a skilled character. Culexus is, based on what Wokistan has said in the past, more than enough to keep up, even if he has a disadvantage.Firephoenixearl said:
Which is honestly a majority of Ikki's argument, skillstomping.
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"Strategy"
That's the weakest point you could have taken. Strategies don't exist here, not without prep time. Being better at planning doesn't do you good against an opponent that you cannot see and cannot hit due to insane senses.
Also strategy is not skill. At least not combat skill. Ikki develops strategies against invisible opponents on the get go, but we don't talk about those cus it's not combat skill.
That's the weakest point you could have taken. Strategies don't exist here, not without prep time. Being better at planning doesn't do you good against an opponent that you cannot see and cannot hit due to insane senses.
Also strategy is not skill. At least not combat skill. Ikki develops strategies against invisible opponents on the get go, but we don't talk about those cus it's not combat skill.
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The fact that you just said "Strategy does not exist without prep time" instantly makes me doubt any argument you make for Ikki's skill.Firephoenixearl said:
Strategy isn't exclusively limited to prep time. People can make plans mid-battle. Joseph Joestar whips up the most insane plans in the middle of battles to the death.
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Those aren't exactly "strategies" in the literal sense, they are just small plans and ways to win, not something you'd bring "strategy skills in" why you may ask? Cus pretty sure the assassins have knowledge of their opponent before hand before they fight most of the time, can't compare strategy you devise as an assassin with a clear target and strategy you have to devise as you fight.
Not to mention how culexus' skill tier insanely drops in "impressiveness" as soon as you bring in his mind hax, power null, invisibility, soul manip for 1 shots and the rest of his stuff. Stuff for which Ikki has an answer to, an answer he reached through his skill.
Not to mention how culexus' skill tier insanely drops in "impressiveness" as soon as you bring in his mind hax, power null, invisibility, soul manip for 1 shots and the rest of his stuff. Stuff for which Ikki has an answer to, an answer he reached through his skill.
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Devising a plan mid-battle to defeat an enemy is quite literally the definition of forming a strategy.
So when Ikki defeats a guy with death hax, it's impressive, but when Culexus does it it's suddenly lame sauce? Ikki's feats scream Plot Induced Stupidity, honestly.Firephoenixearl said:
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I agree with the first statement.
Ikki's feats aren't Plot Induced Stupidity in the slightest. I wouldn't mind you saying one or two are but trying to generalize it is laughable. Also Ikki doing that would be more impressive because of the fact that literally no psychic powers can be used against Culexus.
Honestly from my view both are insanely skilled.
Ikki's feats aren't Plot Induced Stupidity in the slightest. I wouldn't mind you saying one or two are but trying to generalize it is laughable. Also Ikki doing that would be more impressive because of the fact that literally no psychic powers can be used against Culexus.
Honestly from my view both are insanely skilled.
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In terms of story it's PIS, but in terms of canon it's a skill feat. Kind of like Joseph, well, in general.
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??ThePixelKirby said:
He's like unfathomably greater in terms of skill, compared to humanity that is.
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I mean there are 1 or 2 feats you could say that for. But 99% of them you cannot even argue that whatsoever,
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Actually, no. Argue as much as you want. This is an arguement website after all
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That was to say that the arguments would be blank, as in literally "it's PIS cus it has to be" kind of arguments. That's not called an argument, that was his point.The Smashor said:
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Eh whatever. It's fiction.
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Any argument? Just about all of Ikki's skills are literally impossible by human means.
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Anyway quick rundown of why i believe Ikki takes this (also this shouldn't be affected by the AP change in the revisions right?):
And to top it all off, as shown against Kuraudo it takes as little as less than a minute for Perfect Vision to kick in, so it's not gonna be too late before PV enters the fight. Once that enters the fight, it would be Ikki's sure win due to the fact that Ikki will know everything Culexus tries to do at that point.
So yeah I vote Ikki for these reasons.
- Invisibility
- Strategy, surprise attacks, tricking etc
- 1 Shot
- Power Null and Mind hax
- Skill
And to top it all off, as shown against Kuraudo it takes as little as less than a minute for Perfect Vision to kick in, so it's not gonna be too late before PV enters the fight. Once that enters the fight, it would be Ikki's sure win due to the fact that Ikki will know everything Culexus tries to do at that point.
So yeah I vote Ikki for these reasons.
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What about phasing? The invisiblity works by phasing into the Warp so becoming untouchable in reality. So they're literally not in reality.
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I mean, they have to appear to attack.
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For what I can see Culexus feats aren't really skill feats, they just powernull, mindhax, soulhax and a lot of other haxes that can deal with the opponent without using any kind of skill.
That they have good skill feats? Yes, they have, but not as good as Ikki who literally wins every battle using a sword and with his skills.
That they have good skill feats? Yes, they have, but not as good as Ikki who literally wins every battle using a sword and with his skills.
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In the instant they appear Ikki dodges them.
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What if they phase into Ikki and then appear.
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Is it even remotely in character for them to do that?
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How would that even work? Have they do it once?
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There's a lot of individual Culexus who use different methods so probably not for some. Maybe for others.
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Wait, I'm the op? Shit it's been so long I forgot.
Ikki's senses will pick up any danger. He'll be safe for long enough.
Ikki's senses will pick up any danger. He'll be safe for long enough.
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Nah afaik they haven't done it. Idk but it seems like a wincon.
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Daemons exist within the Warp so it's not really effective for them anyway.
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I vote for Ikki FRA, I genuinly believe he takes this.
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Ikki cannot sense something outside of realityFirephoenixearl said:
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