Igniting the Genshin scaling chain

[Catzlaflame]

As I’ve said in the past, I’m not knowledgeable on this series at all, and that’s normally not a problem, but for write-ups that are very lore-dense and for a thread-type (scaling-chain threads) that are also notoriously lore-dense… it’s hard to digest for non-fans.

That being said:

Seems like, the dark shadow thing is a summon, no? Specifically of the “Ravaging Devourer” ability or whatever.

On the feat with the stars thing, eh, again the opposition seems to say it’s flowery language, supporters don’t think it is. I’ve seen verses overhype things with this kinda wording b4, but its depended on (1) knowing what the verse generally scales too, and (2) knowing how often it likes to use this kinda prose — both of which i lack. So I’ll just be neutral on that point.

Witt the rest, I mean, I’ll pseudo-agree I guess, but I could full well just be misunderstanding the write-up or missing context as I described earlier.

Garri no more Genshin or Honkai threads please, I’ll do anything. I swear, anything else I can actually evaluate half-decently

 

[Dog3352]

As I’ve said in the past, I’m not knowledgeable on this series at all, and that’s normally not a problem, but for write-ups that are very lore-dense and for a thread-type (scaling-chain threads) that are also notoriously lore-dense… it’s hard to digest for non-fans.

That being said:

Seems like, the dark shadow thing is a summon, no? Specifically of the “Ravaging Devourer” ability or whatever.

On the feat with the stars thing, eh, again the opposition seems to say it’s flowery language, supporters don’t think it is. I’ve seen verses overhype things with this kinda wording b4, but its depended on (1) knowing what the verse generally scales too, and (2) knowing how often it likes to use this kinda prose — both of which i lack. So I’ll just be neutral on that point.

Witt the rest, I mean, I’ll pseudo-agree I guess, but I could full well just be misunderstanding the write-up or missing context as I described earlier.

Garri no more Genshin or Honkai threads please, I’ll do anything. I swear, anything else I can actually evaluate half-decently

The Narwhall being able to swallow stars and store them in his stomach is not flowery language, only the part about "the Narwhal will swallow and extinguish the sea of stars" and "the Narwhall will swallow and extinguish all the stars" which are not true (are not stated/said).

The main problems are the time it takes to do this (both because of the statement in the topic, and because of the fact that he stayed in the Primordial Sea for days and was unable to absorb it in its entirety), and also that there is no reason to scale your "absorption" (ability to swallow) and "storage" for physical stats.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Did the Narwhal even try to swallow the Primordial Sea? He only harnessed power from it. Not to mention the size of the Primordial Sea was never specified and appears to be a separate dimension itself.

Witt the rest, I mean, I’ll pseudo-agree I guess, but I could full well just be misunderstanding the write-up or missing context as I described earlier.

Garri no more Genshin or Honkai threads please, I’ll do anything. I swear, anything else I can actually evaluate half-decently

"pseudo-agree", bro is being a literal fraud. Also, no guarantees >:3

 

[Dog3352]

Did the Narwhal even try to swallow the Primordial Sea? He only harnessed power from it. Not to mention the size of the Primordial Sea was never specified and appears to be a separate dimension itself.

The Primordial Sea is literally beneath the city of Fontaine.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Oh, my bad on that part then.

 

[Dog3352]

And it is Neuvillette himself who says that the Narwhall was consuming the energy of the primordial sea.

 

[Weaver261]

Here is another problem with Narwhal 4-A
In the description, it's stated as "things" meaning Narwhal isn't a single monster but a group of them as a specie.

Thus there are things floating in among the stars, once adorned with countless prestigious titles from innumerable civilizations, shedding tears for their ordained demise.
Their tears stream down, out of desperation, out of hope, because all desperation and hope alike will be utterly extinguished along with the innumerable stars.

It'd still be possible for 4-A if Narwhal alone extinguished countless stars overtime but with the existence of a group of them, it's not possible anymore. Moreover, as I and @Dog3352 stated before, Narwhal took some times consuming energy of primordial sea. Narwhal's size isn't even as big as the court room in fontaine. If Narwhal can truly devour everything into its stomach regardless of its size completely smaller than the target, it'd have already devoured the whole nation or the planet but it didn't do anything like that and went straight to the people. It is safe to assume Narwhal can only devour something it's smaller than its size.

I'll admit I've read the description wrong by assuming it took narwhal billion of years to devour countless stars. But it's not the case. Dog3352's explanation is quite good.

In fact, the statement says that "millennia of years are instants of billions of years", whereas it says that they "are instants in a span of billions of years".
An example of this would be saying: "A second is an instant of 1 hour", basically saying that X (one second) is just a small "percentage" of Y (1 hour).

We don't know how long it tooks a group of Narwhals to devour countless stars. Thus, it's not possible for Narwhal alone to get 4-A

Narwhal size, Narwhal in the courtroom

 

[Woomica]

I mean bruh, pushing 4-A feat with little to no details about how the feat was made and said by words like "extinguish" the stars, honestly i dont really see any reasons why you push for such questionable feats but aight you do you

 

[Woomica]

bump

 

[GarrixianXD]

bum

^^ You.

 

[Woomica]

^^ You.

ily too

 

[Woomica]

Bum<--(Garri)P

 

[Weaver261]

Here is another problem with Narwhal 4-A
In the description, it's stated as "things" meaning Narwhal isn't a single monster but a group of them as a specie.

It'd still be possible for 4-A if Narwhal alone extinguished countless stars overtime but with the existence of a group of them, it's not possible anymore. Moreover, as I and @Dog3352 stated before, Narwhal took some times consuming energy of primordial sea. Narwhal's size isn't even as big as the court room in fontaine. If Narwhal can truly devour everything into its stomach regardless of its size completely smaller than the target, it'd have already devoured the whole nation or the planet but it didn't do anything like that and went straight to the people. It is safe to assume Narwhal can only devour something it's smaller than its size.

I'll admit I've read the description wrong by assuming it took narwhal billion of years to devour countless stars. But it's not the case. Dog3352's explanation is quite good.

We don't know how long it tooks a group of Narwhals to devour countless stars. Thus, it's not possible for Narwhal alone to get 4-A

Narwhal size, Narwhal in the courtroom

Garrixian, I think this is a huge problem in your Narwhal 4-A. Address this first plz

 

[Breakdown]

Bump (I propose High 1-A Genshin. The scans came to me in a dream.)

 

[EastofEden07]

Is this ruling serious? I suggest quoting the original text (Chinese text)

 

[EastofEden07]

But I don't agree with Tartaglia's part, he has been fighting the narwhal for a long time and he should be able to defend it.

I don't know why someone would think this could be used for scaling, the battle was visually represented by Tartaglia unilaterally attacking the narwhal, while the narwhal showed didn't have signs of attacking Tartaglia (it even seemed like Tartaglia caused almost no damage to it).

 

[Woomica]

I don't know why someone would think this could be used for scaling, the battle was visually represented by Tartaglia unilaterally attacking the narwhal, while the narwhal showed didn't have signs of attacking Tartaglia (it even seemed like Tartaglia caused almost no damage to it).

Then why did the Same Tartaglia got badly damaged on his armor if he didnt have signs of attacking Tartaglia? Self harming!?!

 

[EastofEden07]

Then why did the Same Tartaglia got badly damaged on his armor if he didnt have signs of attacking Tartaglia? Self harming!?!

In the battle scene, his mask was still broken even though the narwhal didn't attack him (there was no crack on the mask in the previous scene). Considering the huge burden that Foul Legacy brings to the user, this may be the reason, but it is not ruled out that it was related to the narwhal attacking him(or maybe both)
Btw if you didn't mention it, I actually didn't notice Tartaglia's broken armor lol

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Shouldn't a blog be made with the scaling chain so its easier for Non-fans to understand?

 

[Giannysmag]

Well, we all obviously know that 4-A shouldn't scale for everyone. This revision will focus on revising the scaling chain, adding new feats, and trimming invalid abilities.

Are people still gonna scale to the Witch's feat?

As a byproduct, Neuvillette should be given the following abilities: Greater Power Bestowal via the reasons explained above; Statistics Reduction and Power Nullification via severing the Power of the Primordial Sea from the All-Devouring Narwhall. The All-Devouring Narwhall should also get dimensional storage as he absorbs enemies into an entire pocket dimension, which is seemingly his stomach;

These are fine

Type 9 Immortality as we see his true form resides within the pocket dimension inside the Narwhall's stomach, and preferably Avatar Creation as it implies the All-Devouring Narwall isn't even its true form, but rather the dark shadowy figure that we see in the second phase of the boss battle.

Can I get a scan on that second part?

The new feat for the 4-A scaling should be established for those aforementioned Fontaine arc characters, that will revolve around this description, when the All-Devouring Narwhall swallowed, absorbed and extinguished countless stars and eventually the endless sea of stars. It is said that those starry skies take resemblance to that of a galaxy, implying the Narwhall absorbed and extinguished an entire galaxy overtime.

Genuinely where does it say that the Narwhal swallowed stars? All that is said in the linked part is that the stars will eventually fade and die but nowhere is it stated to be caused by the Narwhal.

• Cyno: He only clashed once with the Sumeru Traveller, right before he fought Shouko No Kami, thought it was only a single clash and Traveller was completely unaware of what suddenly just occurred, not to mention he was directly knocked back and Traveller didn't land a hit on him; its rather unreasonable that Traveller would suddenly be going all out with killing intentions in this scene. Another 4-A scaling feat was him clashing with Wanderer, however, it should be noted that this feat should either be an outlier, or it wasn't a serious fight since they were rather fighting to win a game of sports; that said, Cyno should be downgraded to 7-A. As a byproduct, Alhaitham will also be downgraded to 7-A due to directly scaling from Cyno.

Cyno is really annoying to scale because his only real feats are him clashing with the Traveler and Wanderer, even if it's stupid as ****. But if you find actual evidence of him scaling to 7-A characters then sure put him there.

• All adepti; particularly Xiao and Shenhe; they have nothing in their attack potency section that explains they even remotely scale on par with Morax in terms of power. However, the adepti has the feat of creating the Realm of Clouds through sub-space creation, meaning they can scale to 4-C due to the Realm of Clouds having a contained sun in them. Therefore, the adepti and their close disciples such as Xiao, Ganyu and Shenhe will have their attack potency upgraded/downgraded via scaling to the Realm of Clouds creation. Before you ask, yeah, Genshin does have a sufficient energy system; sub-space creation is established as an ability by adeptal arts, the techniques of adepti to cast their elemental power which is the Genshin UES.

And the adeptal arts are considered part of the UES because? I mean subspace creation is literally stated to use the adepti's imagination to form the realms nowhere is the use of elemental enrgy implied.

This is also an outlier as Madame Ping an Adeptus that most likely helped create this realm (since it's stated that it was made through the combined efforts of the Adpti) considers Morax throwing around mountains and moving the seas "an exercise of true power". Shenhe was also visibly panting and tired after performing a 7-A feat soooo

Finally like Woomy said everyone that is currently 7-A (which is most of the verse) is scaled there because of Shenhe (which is also incredibly stupid but we are working on it). If you are gonna put Shenhe at 4-C you'll have to upgrade the rest of the verse there too since we don't have another 7-A feat but considering you once scaled the entire verse to Subrelativistic from a feat of Kazuha blitzing Raiden I honestly don't doubt that you'd do that.

3. Remove the Varies ratings from Archons. The Varies rating stems from the statements that an archon's power is derived from the faith and love of its people, however, it should be noted that there's a difference between deriving power from a source and being dependent on a source.

It is a significant difference in power tho as Venti himself says that he is most likely the weakest Archon because he didn't fulfil his duties

Not to mention, this notion is directly contradicted by this scene, which ascribes that the Tsaritsa, the Cryo Archon, is no longer loved by any of her people. Yet she is still powerful enough to command all of the Fatui Harbingers and bestow them god-like powers; even 3 of those Harbingers possess powers that even surpass that of gods, including archons.

Having faith in someone and love for someone are two different things. This scene also might be a red hairing since all of the Fatui that we've seen (not even just Harbingers but even normal soldiers) clearly hold the Tsaritsa in very high regard

 

[GarrixianXD]

Serenitea Pot isn't the Realm of Clouds.

Edit: Also, Scara and Arlecchino implied that they lack trust for the Tsaritsa.

 

[Giannysmag]

Serenitea Pot isn't the Realm of Clouds.

Not the point I was making

 

[GarrixianXD]

Finally like Woomy said everyone that is currently 7-A (which is most of the verse) is scaled there because of Shenhe (which is also incredibly stupid but we are working on it). If you are gonna put Shenhe at 4-C you'll have to upgrade the rest of the verse there too since we don't have another 7-A feat but considering you once scaled the entire verse to Subrelativistic from a feat of Kazuha blitzing Raiden I honestly don't doubt that you'd do that.

This is your issue, don't impose it on me. If that's the case then a 4-C rating will only be applied to Xiao because he is the pinnacle of the adepti; Shenhe is actually 4-A right now, though it seems like some random user who I don't even know misapplied that CRT, though she was 6-B before and everyone who scaled from her 7-A feat didn't get their ratings respectfully changed, and I wasn't actively participating in any of your scaling chain CRTs.

 

[Woomica]

Serenitea Pot isn't the Realm of Clouds.

Edit: Also, Scara and Arlecchino implied that they lack trust for the Tsaritsa.

i rly have to correct you on second part, these 2 arent even from Snezhnaya, Scara is Puppet(43) made from Raiden EI, while Arlecchino is from Khaenriah Dynasty, Crimson moon iirc.

"Question three. What do my constant dreams of a crimson moon and my powers mean?"

"I once served the final dynasty of an ancient underground kingdom. Its dynastic name was 'Eclipse,' and before them came the 'Crimson Moon.' As for the secrets from before your birth... I suggest you purchase a book named 'Hierobranto Innamorato.' I read no such tales in the days when I pursued academic attainment and saw it only by chance. The circumstances depicted are specious, but the key details are accurate."

 

[Giannysmag]

This is your issue, don't impose it on me. If that's the case then a 4-C rating will only be applied to Xiao because he is the pinnacle of the adepti; Shenhe is actually 4-A right now, though it seems like some random user who I don't even know misapplied that CRT, though she was 6-B before and everyone who scaled from her 7-A feat didn't get their ratings respectfully changed, and I wasn't actively participating in any of your scaling chain CRTs.

Then bring her down to 7-A

 

[GarrixianXD]

Then bring her down to 7-A

@Puppet43 You're the OP of this CRT:

Genshin Impact cooking in Speed and Attack Potency

Making it short, after the recent nuke of High 6A Genshin i made a blog of a feat of Osial, that was accepted, so we are gonna cook with what the Kitchen has gave us The feat would put at 10.92 Teratons (Country Tier) the next characters Zhongli : Its stated that Zhongli deal with Osial in the...

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Fix this.

Edit: Actually, ykw, just give me the word to remove Shenhe's 6-B (now 4-A) scaling and revert it to 7-A, it's currently late as hell and I'm not interested in dealing with all potential flaws with that revision application regarding how contradicted it is towards many of the characters' scaling.

 

[Woomica]

Then bring her down to 7-A

better yet, bring everyone who chainscaled to shenhe to 7-C lol

 

[Giannysmag]

better yet, bring everyone who chainscaled to shenhe to 7-C lol

Literally what I'm gonna do

 

[Giannysmag]

@Puppet43 You're the OP of this CRT:

Genshin Impact cooking in Speed and Attack Potency

Making it short, after the recent nuke of High 6A Genshin i made a blog of a feat of Osial, that was accepted, so we are gonna cook with what the Kitchen has gave us The feat would put at 10.92 Teratons (Country Tier) the next characters Zhongli : Its stated that Zhongli deal with Osial in the...

vsbattles.com

Fix this.

Edit: Actually, ykw, just give me the word to remove Shenhe's 6-B (now 4-A) scaling and revert it to 7-A, it's currently late as hell and I'm not interested in dealing with all potential flaws with that revision application regarding how contradicted it is towards many of the character's scaling.

Mf you don't need Puppet to do anything, you where gonna downgrade a bunch of top tier to 7-A anyways, why are you playing hard with Shenhe?

 

[Woomica]

Literally what I'm gonna do

no! i will do it! im him!!!! you are not

Mf you don't need Puppet to do anything, you where gonna downgrade a bunch of top tier to 7-A anyways, why are you playing hard with Shenhe?

Puppet level shenhe agenda

 

[Giannysmag]

no! i will do it! im him!!!! you are not

No

 

[Puppet43]

why are you playing hard with Shenhe?

 

[Giannysmag]

No

 

[Puppet43]

No

dont touch my pookie again or im throwing you an attack you wont be able to adapt

 

[Giannysmag]

dont touch my pookie again or im throwing you an attack you wont be able to adapt

Oh yea well I'm gonna give you backshots

 

[EastofEden07]

And the adeptal arts are considered part of the UES because? I mean subspace creation is literally stated to use the adepti's imagination to form the realms nowhere is the use of elemental enrgy implied.

In addition, the information I searched for mentioned that sub space is not a true world, and then combine imagination to form a realms of description, I think it is more like Hax

 

[Woomica]

In addition, the information I searched for mentioned that sub space is not a true world, and then combine imagination to form a realms of description, I think it is more like Hax

cool 4-C with subjective reality gg

 

[GarrixianXD]

I already addressed that a shit-load of times, and that passage is inaccurate if you properly delve into its cited sources.

 

[Giannysmag]

I already addressed that a shit-load of times, and that passage is inaccurate if you properly delve into its cited sources.

I can't find you explaining it in this thread

 

[GarrixianXD]

I can't find you explaining it in this thread

Oh, well my apologies then, I seemingly mistaken it for another discussion.

Anyone interested can read from here:

fixing genshin tiering so people can stop asking why tf is alhaitham 4-A

So...these crts happened And the former absolutely annihilated how chainscaling looks and its honestly so bad so i will start with that First i will dip my arguments as to why 4-A should be removed entirely, then i will argue which characters should have justification changed and their tier 4...

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