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"I will show you, your worst Nightmare! I will give you despair, and....Death!"
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Does Nightmare have resistance to Time Manipulation?
It'll depend on if Dante uses Time Manipulation early in-character, though?
It'll depend on if Dante uses Time Manipulation early in-character, though?
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DMC5 Dante's time manipulation (better time slow) comes from a special "finishing" attack that he does in SDT which is what he most likely uses when he has no other option but he does have bangle of time (time stop) and Quicksilver (time slow) which I'd imagine he doesn't mind using.
Since this is DMC5 Dante he is pretty serious, still has his quips and jokes but only when facing foes he 100% knows he can beat and because Dante can sense his enemies power he can probably tell how dangerous Nightmare is.
Since this is DMC5 Dante he is pretty serious, still has his quips and jokes but only when facing foes he 100% knows he can beat and because Dante can sense his enemies power he can probably tell how dangerous Nightmare is.
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I also took a look at Nightmare's Madness Manipulation. I'm pretty sure Dante can hard resist it depending on the potency. Is that Nightmare's primary win-con?
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BFR and Soul manipulation seems to be Nightmares's go to.
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Hmmm. I'm pretty sure Dante has been able to deal with many enemies with similar BFR abilties, but does he have anything to address Soul Manipulation?
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Dante has resistance to soul manipulation, he fought enemies who sucks/eats souls and carried items that drains his soul for long periods of time.Also resists the Beastheads who takes souls aswell.
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If that is the case, and we're voting now, I'd vote for Dante for better versatility.
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I will go with Dante fra. If it was DMC 4 or 3 one he probably would joke around too much, but DMC 5 one gets things seriously and is not playing (too much) around.
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Going with Dante for reasons above, for now.
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Probably Dante, for now. Sin Devil Trigger being able to destroy opponents from the inside+time slow+serious Dante and i see him winning, though this could easily end as a incon.
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Going with Dante FRA.
TFW these two both got stomped by Ragna
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His senses aren't perfect though, even after fighting Urizen he proceeded to charge the guy with his DT and even comment that it was a bad move.Dienomite22 said:
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So Dante's Win/Con is Time Manipulation?
What proves that his mind resistance is strong enough to survive Inferno's? Also, destroying them from the inside out takes out the host, but Inferno is still there and his first deal will be to go for a mental attack. Also, simply being around Nightmare's energy can corrupt you and drive you mad.
I haven't really seen anything to suggest Dante can resist Inferno's mindhax other than he can stay in the demon world without being effected, however as I stated, Astral Chaos does the same thing and Siegfried resisted it, however Inferno is still able to attack Siegfried's mind.
Also, you guys say he resists these things without giving any potency.
What proves that his mind resistance is strong enough to survive Inferno's? Also, destroying them from the inside out takes out the host, but Inferno is still there and his first deal will be to go for a mental attack. Also, simply being around Nightmare's energy can corrupt you and drive you mad.
I haven't really seen anything to suggest Dante can resist Inferno's mindhax other than he can stay in the demon world without being effected, however as I stated, Astral Chaos does the same thing and Siegfried resisted it, however Inferno is still able to attack Siegfried's mind.
Also, you guys say he resists these things without giving any potency.
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Dante scale from Vergil that resisted a powerful demon when he was unlocking the seals for Temn-ni-gru, as well as from resisting the Beastheads effects, although I don't know if they are more powerful than Inferno's mindhax.
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I mean, like you said, that doesn't seem comparable to Inferno at all who like I said mindhaxed a temple full of monks who train against evil powers like his and multiple people from Germany to India. How many people has the Demon or Beasthead affected at once?
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How potent is Nightmare's mindhax in terms of range and effect?
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We don't really get anything specific, trying to see if I can find something about Beastheads, but the other demon Vergil resisted the only thing we get is that a whole tribe may or may not have been affected.
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I've mentioned/explained it multiple times...Dragopentling said:
But, his mindhax could drive an entire temple of monks who train against evil powers mad. And with his Evil Seed, he was able to affect multiple people from Germany all the way to India. The Evil Seed is just an massive expansion of his power and being around his power can turn a person into a Malfested if they can't resist it well. And anyone who is corrupted by his power become free for him to control as the only reason Kilik resisted being controlled was due to a resistance and Xianghua.
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Is the mindhax something of a passive nature, or something he actively does? If latter, does he do it early?Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Dante takes it. Nightmare is a demon, Dante is a demon hunter. The hunter is gonna slay him
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His mindhax in trying to get you to grab Soul Edge is thought based. His mindhax very constant exposure to his energy is something he actively does. I mean Nightmare by nature allows his energy to flow out in and out of battle. If the host is destroyed, Inferno will target Dante as a new host.
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@Dragop
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I did finish doing that JUST as you posted this, funny enoughSchnee One said:
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If the enemies that Dante has fought throughout the story don't at least have a comparable sort of mindhax or other go-to ability, in terms of potency and feats, then Nightmare likely takes this, unless Dante is shown to resist planet level mindrape.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Hey, happy birthday! Don't worry about it, go ahead and have fun!Bware1 said:
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Dante FRA
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Before you say "Dante FRA" you should probably wait to see if said vote is legit. As of now, no one has detailed the demon's mind prowess.
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Boogie votes blindly on every thread.
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Demons are naturally resistant to the effects of the demon world, Vergil resisted the mind attacks from the Seven Sins (Dante scales) meaning Dante can resist mind manipulation that can bypass mind manipulation resistance at least.
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I mean, it goes back to this.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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The number of people affected and range doesn't matter here because Nightmare isn't dealing with group of attacks and they're not starting that far from each other, relativily.
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That's not how we treat mindhax here. '''The number of people you can mindhax at once''' is what determines your potency. That's why Star Wars characters and such are known for their very potent mindhax. This is also why questions like "how many people have they mindhaxed at once" are asked.
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What? When did that start becoming a thing after the Star Wars revisions? I remember having a similar discussion awhile back and it was widely determined number of minds affected =/= potency and potency was determined by level of mind manipulation resistance bypassed or if you can mind manipulate a person with spilt personalities.Welp if that's the case then it can't be helped my vote goes to Nightmare if this isn't considered a mindhax stomp.
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