I/O Revision thread

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the evaluation.

Would somebody be willing to apply these revisions based on Ultima's analysis above, or do we need further research via the threads that I linked to earlier?

Anyway...

 

[Antvasima]

We still need to apply what was accepted here.

 

[Megaraptor149]

We still need to apply what was accepted here.

I think you must ask knowledge member who knows this verse

 

[Antvasima]

We still need to apply what was accepted here.

@Iapitus_The_Impaler

 

[Antvasima]

I think you must ask knowledge member who knows this verse

Can you write a list of all the members who have replied to this thread so far please?

 

[Cosmic_King_of_SAO]

Can you write a list of all the members who have replied to this thread so far please?

I think this is everyone:

@I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die @Ovy7 @QuasiYuri @Great_king_frog @Guardian_Doge @deonment @Shmooply @Emirp sumitpo @Fixxed @Ned_the_outer_god @Lou_change @SupremeNiva @megaraptor @Setsuna_tenma @Planck69 @Antvasima @Agnaa @Lodestar @Bobsican @Elizhaa @KingPin0422 @Iapitus_The_Impaler @Jeki @Saiyan40009 @Ultima_Reality

I might have missed someone but this is mostly everyone.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

@I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die @Ovy7 @QuasiYuri @Great_king_frog @Guardian_Doge @deonment @Shmooply @Emirp sumitpo @Fixxed @Ned_the_outer_god @Lou_change @SupremeNiva @megaraptor @Setsuna_tenma @Planck69 @Antvasima @Agnaa @Lodestar @Bobsican @Elizhaa @KingPin0422 @Iapitus_The_Impaler @Jeki @Saiyan40009 @Ultima_Reality

Would you be willing to help apply what has been accepted here please? Or do we need further discussion?

 

[Pepsiman25th]

i cant do anything rn, im busy with work irl
sorry

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Agnaa]

My only reply in this thread has been saying I'm not interested in helping, so you prolly shouldn't have included me, Cosmic

 

[Pepsiman25th]

i can help now
so what is it i do? just change the tiers in the profiles to 1-A?

 

[Antvasima]

We need more elaborate explanations in the character profile pages based on the earlier discussion here.

 

[Cosmic_King_of_SAO]

My only reply in this thread has been saying I'm not interested in helping, so you prolly shouldn't have included me, Cosmic

I didn't check what anyone said, I just wrote down who replied xD

We need more elaborate explanations in the character profile pages based on the earlier discussion here.

If there is nothing left to discuss, I believe a summary would be helpful for those who'll apply it.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

i got no idea how the I/O verse works so im gonna need some help on who to change and what to say

 

[KingPin0422]

Oh, this thing again. Uhh... correct me if I'm wrong about anything, but if I have it all right, this should be the recap of the tiering:

• Marduk's dream: High 1-B. It is the Ziggurat which holds an infinite number of higher and lower universes, with the qualitative difference between a higher world and a lower world being compared to the difference between a higher dimension and a lower dimension, and beings on higher worlds being able to view those on lower worlds, while the reverse is impossible.
• Mutsuki's dream: 1-B. It holds the same nature as Marduk's dream, but is explicitly a finite hierarchy with a beginning and an end
• Marduk and everything that scales to it: Low 1-A. The aforementioned infinite hierarchy of universes is nothing more than Marduk's dream, and Marduk itself perceives it as everything and nothing simultaneously.
• The Moon: 1-A. The Moon represents a level which stands above all of the overlaid hierarchies, whose inhabitants perceive 1-B, High 1-B and Low 1-A things as equally minimal possibilities that they can voluntarily experience and exist outside of all time and space in a state of oneness with the greater universe.
• Goddesses of Cyberspace: ??? They have not been discussed at all in this thread and even Iapitus was unable to give some context for them, so I guess that they will have to remain where they are for now.
• Majestic Presence: ??? This thing is even more convoluted than the Goddesses, to the point that some people question its very existence. I think it would be best to cover these three in a future thread, if it ever happens.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

alr
so if i am correct
add the tier to their profiles and the info in the ap?
never really worked on profiles before with tiers n stuff

 

[Pepsiman25th]

nvm i dont think ill be able to do it
very sorry for the inconvenience. adding big revisions n stuff isnt what im good at

 

[Antvasima]

Oh, this thing again. Uhh... correct me if I'm wrong about anything, but if I have it all right, this should be the recap of the tiering:

• Marduk's dream: High 1-B. It is the Ziggurat which holds an infinite number of higher and lower universes, with the qualitative difference between a higher world and a lower world being compared to the difference between a higher dimension and a lower dimension, and beings on higher worlds being able to view those on lower worlds, while the reverse is impossible.
• Mutsuki's dream: 1-B. It holds the same nature as Marduk's dream, but is explicitly a finite hierarchy with a beginning and an end
• Marduk and everything that scales to it: Low 1-A. The aforementioned infinite hierarchy of universes is nothing more than Marduk's dream, and Marduk itself perceives it as everything and nothing simultaneously.
• The Moon: 1-A. The Moon represents a level which stands above all of the overlaid hierarchies, whose inhabitants perceive 1-B, High 1-B and Low 1-A things as equally minimal possibilities that they can voluntarily experience and exist outside of all time and space in a state of oneness with the greater universe.
• Goddesses of Cyberspace: ??? They have not been discussed at all in this thread and even Iapitus was unable to give some context for them, so I guess that they will have to remain where they are for now.
• Majestic Presence: ??? This thing is even more convoluted than the Goddesses, to the point that some people question its very existence. I think it would be best to cover these three in a future thread, if it ever happens.

Thank you. Would you be willing to apply the revision please?

 

[Ovy7]

Oh, this thing again. Uhh... correct me if I'm wrong about anything, but if I have it all right, this should be the recap of the tiering:

• Marduk's dream: High 1-B. It is the Ziggurat which holds an infinite number of higher and lower universes, with the qualitative difference between a higher world and a lower world being compared to the difference between a higher dimension and a lower dimension, and beings on higher worlds being able to view those on lower worlds, while the reverse is impossible.
• Mutsuki's dream: 1-B. It holds the same nature as Marduk's dream, but is explicitly a finite hierarchy with a beginning and an end
• Marduk and everything that scales to it: Low 1-A. The aforementioned infinite hierarchy of universes is nothing more than Marduk's dream, and Marduk itself perceives it as everything and nothing simultaneously.
• The Moon: 1-A. The Moon represents a level which stands above all of the overlaid hierarchies, whose inhabitants perceive 1-B, High 1-B and Low 1-A things as equally minimal possibilities that they can voluntarily experience and exist outside of all time and space in a state of oneness with the greater universe.
• Goddesses of Cyberspace: ??? They have not been discussed at all in this thread and even Iapitus was unable to give some context for them, so I guess that they will have to remain where they are for now.
• Majestic Presence: ??? This thing is even more convoluted than the Goddesses, to the point that some people question its very existence. I think it would be best to cover these three in a future thread, if it ever happens.

From what I've seen and read, the Goddesses of the Cyberspace seems to be tied to the Meta World/Moon, so 1-A for them should be a safe approach.

Majestic Presence is a big ? for me. We could keep it at Unknow as it is now, or just put him at 1-A for being above everyone else, at least based on his profile. IMO the former is more safe until we get more info about it posted.

 

[Ovy7]

Also, from reading the profiles, it seems that a lot of the High 1-B justification of the characters is them existing in the hierarchy with infinite layers bellow and above them. I'm honestly not sure if this qualifies for High 1-B or just really really high into 1-B.

More opinions about this would be welcomed.

 

[Wuhaoyu]

Hello, guys. I'm about to complete the Chinese version of I / O. maybe I can help check the description of the game to determine its rating. At present, the characters of the game give me the feeling that they are not omniscient as 1-A characters.

 

[Wuhaoyu]

Are any others willing to help out here please?

I am about to finish the Chinese version of this game, maybe I can help provide scan.

 

[Antvasima]

@I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die @Ovy7 @QuasiYuri @Great_king_frog @Guardian_Doge @deonment @Shmooply @Emirp sumitpo @Fixxed @Ned_the_outer_god @Lou_change @SupremeNiva @megaraptor @Setsuna_tenma @Planck69 @Lodestar @Bobsican @Elizhaa @KingPin0422 @Iapitus_The_Impaler @Jeki @Saiyan40009 @Ultima_Reality

Your further help to get something constructive done here would be very appreciated.

 

[Wuhaoyu]

@I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die @Ovy7 @QuasiYuri @Great_king_frog @Guardian_Doge @deonment @Shmooply @Emirp sumitpo @Fixxed @Ned_the_outer_god @Lou_change @SupremeNiva @megaraptor @Setsuna_tenma @Planck69 @Lodestar @Bobsican @Elizhaa @KingPin0422 @Iapitus_The_Impaler @Jeki @Saiyan40009 @Ultima_Reality

Your further help to get something constructive done here would be very appreciated.

At present, what are the uncertainties about the setting of characters in this game? As far as I know, the Hyperverse of this game is completed through Marduk computation and mutsuki's dream. Can this be regarded as Marduk 1-B or High 1B?

 

[Sus]

unfortunately i forgot almost everything about I/O, but if i get some free time I'd be happy to re read it and help with the revisions

but for now, almost everything above is fine to me

 

[deonment]

At present, what are the uncertainties about the setting of characters in this game? As far as I know, the Hyperverse of this game is completed through Marduk computation and mutsuki's dream. Can this be regarded as Marduk 1-B or High 1B?

Decently sure we consider marduk to not be high 1-B but just low 1-A

 

[Wuhaoyu]

Decently sure we consider marduk to not be high 1-B but just low 1-A

marduk need mutsuki's dream to create the Hyperverse world and influence the real world. Will that lower its Tier?

 

[deonment]

marduk need mutsuki's dream to create the Hyperverse world and influence the real world. Will that lower its Tier?

No

 

[Wuhaoyu]

No

What conditions are needed to make some character in I / O have high 1-A ，different from other character? And Majestic Presence，What conditions are required to become high 1-A or 0? I will try to find them in the game.

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[Wuhaoyu]

Decently sure we consider marduk to not be high 1-B but just low 1-A

after the HE destroyed the combined characters of Ashur and Marduk, at the end of line B，Ashur, Marduk and LEM became human . Considering that the human characters in this game have a level of 1-A, can they be upgraded from 1-B and low 1-A to 1-A?

 

[Sus]

What conditions are needed to make some character in I / O have high 1-A ，different from other character? And Majestic Presence，What conditions are required to become high 1-A or 0? I will try to find them in the game.

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does the verse have a hierarchy of 1As? no? then no high 1A

same as 0

 

[deonment]

does the verse have a hierarchy of 1As? no? then no high 1A

same as 0

you dont need a hierarchy for either of those though, see Unnsong for an example

 

[Sus]

you dont need a hierarchy for either of those though, see Unnsong for an example

okay you need a ridiculous amount of proof

 

[Darksmash]

Unsong is a misleading example considering it gets the tier because of being above Cantor's infinities, so unless a verse directly mentions them any single infinite hierarchies are equated to R^n real coordinate space which is still Aleph 1, so you can't exactly jump to High 1-A without having something that can be equated to 1-A

 

[Wuhaoyu]

When Enlil wiped out almost all of Babylon，she only destroyed normal computer Marduk, and Marduk couldn't spawn a High 1-B world at that time, so her this weapon shouldn't be tier High 1-B.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like none of the people that I sent a notification to earlier are interested in helping out here. That is very unfortunate.

 

[Wuhaoyu]

Can you see the picture I uploaded？

Some Chinese players believe that the majestic presence is actually Ashur, but the B 'route indicates that Ashur must use a cross to contact Marduk. In addition, after Ashur and Marduk are destroyed, the game hints at the possibility of reuniting them in heaven.
At the end of the B 'route, there is a mysterious power that makes Ashur, Marduk and LEM became human in a certain world.

In addition, on the E 'route, the main characters in the game seem to be located in a 1-A world, "containing everything but nothing, not before, now, or someday. Not here, there, not somewhere. This is the crevice of everything, the center. " The "eye image" appears here, suggesting that there is an observer.

Considering the relationship between I / O and never7, ever17 and remember 11, I think majestic presence is a role similar to game players or game production companies. This seems to indicate that it is likely high 1-A.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Why are we using chinese version to begin with?

Also what you said wouldn't qualify as anything close to High 1-A.

Low 1-A or 1-A seem good for this E route thing though.

 

[Wuhaoyu]

Why are we using chinese version to begin with?

Also what you said wouldn't qualify as anything close to High 1-A.

Low 1-A or 1-A seem good for this E route thing though.

Because I'm Chinese, I don't have an English version. Need me to input Chinese in TXT format? In this way, it can be translated into English by Google

 

[Wuhaoyu]

Why are we using chinese version to begin with?

Also what you said wouldn't qualify as anything close to High 1-A.

Low 1-A or 1-A seem good for this E route thing though.

The producers of the game produced never7, ever17 and remember 11，all three games take the player himself as a character in the game. If the majestic presence is the player's Avatar, it should be regarded as a tier that the 1-A characters cannot reach.