I/O Revision thread

[Fixxed]

All End Key I/O character Will get same Tier,Same feats because this scene

I've made a sandbox with all the verse's pages.

Edit: except lem

 

[Ovy7]

Edit: except lem

You should look again, she's there.

 

[Fixxed]

You should look again, she's there.

Ok

 

[Antvasima]

I/O verse cosmology


1.Mardukk dream

She create Infinite layered dream. Every single dream contain infinite higher dimension
Its making mardukk L1A with new tiering system.

honestly by this feats its only get H1B RATING

What about this? Is that enough to tier the characters properly?

Also @Iapitus_The_Impaler would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Should Lem Get Nonexistent Physiology Tipe 1 and Abstract existence tipe 2 because she is manifestation of dualism

1. "Understands" seems to mean she knows, which is omniscience

 

[deonment]

What about this? Is that enough to tier the characters properly?

it should be for the characters still in the tower, maybe they could get higher if there is a marduk in every layer since they would have to transcend him and his infinitude layers which he has an rf with

 

[Bobsican]

Should Lem Get Nonexistent Physiology Tipe 1 and Abstract existence tipe 2 because she is manifestation of dualism

Judging by how it's worded, it requires more context to be taken like that.
And being both sides of a duality isn't grounds for NEP regardless.

 

[Fixxed]

Judging by how it's worded, it requires more context to be taken like that.
And being both sides of a duality isn't grounds for NEP regardless.

NEP 1 description:

1: Material Nonexistence: The lack of any conventional existence. Such a character will exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds, instead existing as an idea or other unconventional state. Such entities can be conceptualized by individuals, but do not exist in a physical or normal metaphysical form, such as a soul. In terms of binary, this would be a 0, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0.

Also Lem can become 0 binary, by this feats, she get NEP Type 1

 

[Elizhaa]

I mean the description does sound like NEP Type 2 since it states she is like 1 but also 0 but it needs more contexts. I am fine with NEP Type 1.
2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The lack of absolutely everything to a state of nonexistence at a conceptual level. Such a state defies even the most basic logical principles and is unknowable in the truest form, as it is not a state at all. Such entities are typically presented as primordial voids or pure emptiness, or any abstract state which precedes or opposes the state of existence on all levels. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.

 

[Bobsican]

NEP 1 description:

1: Material Nonexistence: The lack of any conventional existence. Such a character will exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds, instead existing as an idea or other unconventional state. Such entities can be conceptualized by individuals, but do not exist in a physical or normal metaphysical form, such as a soul. In terms of binary, this would be a 0, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0.

Also Lem can become 0 binary, by this feats, she get NEP Type 1

In that case it's limited for as long she's only on the aspect that falls as 0, assuming it relates to existence stuff and isn't just a more useless kind of duality.
Being both 1 and 0 as far I'm aware doens't translate to NEP.

 

[Elizhaa]

Being both 1 and 0 as far I'm aware doens't translate to NEP.

It does to Type 2 but it needs way more context. Assuming it is legit, I could still be unconventional state of type 1 NEP.

 

[Bobsican]

Yes, more context is really a must to get somewhere from this.

 

[Guardian_Doge]

I've made a sandbox with all the verse's pages.

Looks pretty good Ovy. Nice job

 

[Planck69]

It does to Type 2 but it needs way more context. Assuming it is legit, I could still be unconventional state of type 1 NEP.

Isn't Type 2 being neither 1 nor 0?

 

[Megaraptor149]

For me that's NEP Type 1. Cuz LEM itself being exist and non-exist

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions here so far?

 

[deonment]

that the tiers are good for the characters in the tower and moon level people but marduk and ashur should likely be downgraded to low 1-A, right now we are currently discussing what haxes the characters should have and the other statistics the characters should have

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Bobsican]

For me that's NEP Type 1. Cuz LEM itself being exist and non-exist

Nonexistent Physiology technically allows some degree of existence as far I'm aware (Otherwise, strictly speaking, it wouldn't be able to do anything to begin with), so I guess NEP type 1 is fine.
However, are there any feats supporting that not anyone can just interact with her out of this?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Okay.

I think we are still discussing right now tiers

 

[Lodestar]

I/O verse cosmology


1.Mardukk dream

She create Infinite layered dream. Every single dream contain infinite higher dimension
Its making mardukk L1A with new tiering system.

honestly by this feats its only get H1B RATING

H1B seems fine for me

 

[Megaraptor149]

H1B seems fine for me

For me it's low 1-A

Since every dreams contains infinite higher dimensions.

So, it's would be infinite^infinite or uncountable infinite for new tiering system.

Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures and expanses of uncountably infinite dimensions.

 

[Planck69]

Are there any scans for that? All I can see is infinite layered tower.

 

[Ovy7]

As far as I know, each world contains like 12D, not infinite.

 

[Fixxed]

As far as I know, each world contains like 12D, not infinite.

Infinite, check my scene

 

[Planck69]

It says nothing about each layer having infinite dimensions.

 

[Ovy7]

Yeah, those scans just says that there's a hierarchy of worlds/dreams that goes on for ever both down and up, which I think it's High 1-B. There's no mention of each world having infinite dimensions or something like that.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Infinite, check my scene

Based on your scans your bring. It's only High 1-B

 

[Ovy7]

Also, I've checked the profiles, and there's 0 proof for this statement: "Each layer is equivalent to at least 12 dimensions". There's no linked scan or anything, the statement is just there without anything backing it up.

I don't think this would affect the ratings of the hierarchy of worlds, but it would have maybe been good as proof for it being Low 1-A (cause, as far as I know, x^N0 = N1).

 

[Fixxed]

This proof if all feats Above is one side of reality (one dream of mardukk)

Btw i Will search state

" where Yayoi said Many worlds intepretation"

 

[Planck69]

Are we even sure those are the sort of dimensions to warrant Tier 1 on the wiki? And does he actually prove them to be more than theories?

 

[QuasiYuri]

Superstrings don't qualify.

 

[Megaraptor149]

It's many worlds interpretation is used for High 1-B in this Wiki?

 

[Planck69]

Not at all.

 

[deonment]

it is low 1-A since marduk sees the high 1-B realm as a dream implying there is an rf between them

 

[Ovy7]

Shouldn't that be 1-A? As seeing a High 1-B structure as fictional it's enough for 1-A IIRC

 

[deonment]

Shouldn't that be 1-A? As seeing a High 1-B structure as fictional it's enough for 1-A IIRC

huh

 

[Planck69]

Seeing the structure itself as fiction is enough for 1-A, yeah.

 

[Elizhaa]

It should be 1-A. The only Low 1-A reasonings that I know if the characters are just vaguely above or outside a High 1-B hierarchy without any contexts that could support transcendence; this case was in Discworld in the past before in Azrael's page before it got a downgrade for different reasons.

 

[Antvasima]

@Ultima_Reality

Do you think that this would qualify for 1-A?