I FINALLY CAN GET TO DO THIS MATCH-UP!!!

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

8-B versions

HxH Dreamteam:

RWBY Dreamteam:

tie:

FIGHT!!!!!!

 

[Schnee_One]

Ruby and Yang effortlessly one shot characters stronger then Killua and Gon

Stomperino

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Schee, Killua and Gon are now at 22 tons!

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

@Schnee aren't ruby and yang 18 tons tho

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

so the ap shouldn't really be a oneshot

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby and yang backscale from a 88 ton feat

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

and it was decided that they shouldn't scale beacuse of the notable difficulty the entire team, qrow included, was having against it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

hence why they backscale

Theyre far above 18 tone, they're currently on the level of huntsman who are stronger than characters who can oneshot characters who stomp 18 tons

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

the AP difference is less than 4x in either case. It's an advantage, but really not oneshotting.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby and yang's ap scaling chain is still more than enough to argue that they ap stomp

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

What even

88 megatons is 4x, which isn't enough for a stomp

Ruby is explicitly much weaker than an 88 megaton character and could only stagger it

But Ruby one-shots

What kind of logic is this? Ruby would need to be a low-end 8-A to one-shot here. Ruby isn't even on the upper half of 8-B.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Then thats the scaling chain because Ruby = Qrow = Raven > Vernal Who oneshot the Arma Gigas which stomped the Queen Lanccer which was undamaged by 18 tons

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

which is great but still lower than 88 tons

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cool so Ruby and Yang still stomp via their scaling chain

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

the Arma Gigas which stomped the Queen Lanccer

"Stomped the Queen Lancer"

https://youtu.be/Wi05qCZ029I?t=353

The Queen Lancer had already been in combat for several minutes and even after that took three-four solid hits from it before going down.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Cool so Ruby and Yang still stomp via their scaling chai

You can't simultaneously be lower than a 88 megaton character but be within stomping range of a 22 megaton character.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes

Stomp = killing it in a few hits

The Arma Gigas did not oneshot it

The Queen Lancer didnt have any prior damage and it was undamaged by 18 tons

 

[TheRustyOne]

Don't RWBY 8-Bs one shot grimm who can take a 18 ton attack without any damage?

Aren't HxH 8-B only baseline, which is 11 tons?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Rusty Yes

 

[Schnee_One]

@Schee, Killua and Gon are now at 22 tons!

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yes
Stomp = killing it in a few hits

Pulling out the dictionary on this one:

"A Stomp ... is when one character is immediately able to win against another"

Taking a solid number of hits wouldn't fall under that definition.

 

[TheRustyOne]

They are... Never mind then.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, it would, the Arma Gigas immediately won

A stomp and a oneshot are two different things. The Arma Gigas stomped the Queen Lancer

This has been used for quite literally years now.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

It didn't immediately win, though. Again, it took it multiple hits, and that was after it had been wailed on by Weiss for several minutes straight.

Arguing from tradition/precedent doesn't make the argument any stronger.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Wailed on by Weiss

If by wailed on you mean completely and totally undamaged by anything she had then yes

Youre suddenly going against something that you agreed with for over a year now for basically no reason. Explain yourself.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If by wailed on you mean completely and totally undamaged by anything she had then yes

Youre suddenly going against something that you agreed with for over a year now for basically no reason. Explain yourself.

Nothing says Weiss's actions did no damage. Grimm don't tend to show visible stress or pain, and the only visual damage we see from them come from dismemberment. They just dissolve after taking a beating.

I'm giving reasoning though, look above. The scaling makes no sense. A group of peple who can oneshot a 18 ton character shouldn't only be able to stagger a 88 ton character.

As I've said arguing from tradition doesn't help your argument.

 

[Wokistan]

If killing something in a few hits is a stomp so many irl fistfights are stomps now. This seems like a super loose criteria. Not every fight needs to drag on for ages, destiny PCs aren't stomping one another constantly just because they can kill one another in 3-4 shots in pvp.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Um... The grimm took an 18 ton attack without a scratch, a baseline High 8-C's attack isn't going to hurt it at all. Also apparently they're 22 tons, so no one is getting one shotted here.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Prove it was dmaaged

Ever think that maybe its because they do in fact scale to the 88 ton feat and not scaling them to it makes no sense whatsoever?

Fine then, by your logic, Ruby = Qrow = Raven > Vernal who oneshot the Arma Gigas which killed the Queen Lancer which tanked an 18 ton attack

 

[Wokistan]

I agree that the AP gap seems problematic, but I don't agree with the notion that any verse that doesn't have fights last ages has everything now become a stomp because that's just not how things work.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Um... The grimm took an 18 ton attack without a scratch

Grimm don't tend to show visible stress/strain, though.

Like, look at the first three-four hits the Arma Gigas lands on the Grimm. It doesn't take a scratch, yet dissolves after it keeps on attacking. Does that mean the Grimm can "take no damage" from the Arma Gigas now?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Prove it was damaged. It showed visible pain when the Arma Gigas cut it but was unfazed by al of Weiss' attacks

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo Prove it was dmaaged

Going by your assumptions, it wasn't damaged by three or four hits from the Arma Gigas. I don't see any scratches from the first couple of attacks Weiss's summon lands, but somehow the fourth one killed it.

I'm fine with "survived" or "higher than", but you're throwing around "stomp" and "undamaged" around too loosely.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo Prove it was damaged. It showed visible pai

It was just tossed around. Grimm don't tend to show pain to begin with, anyways. I feel like the burden of proof is on you to show that it took no harm from that attack considering Grimm in plenty of instances can take attacks without scratches, but still dissipate from multiple blows.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Weekly, you are honestly exaggerating. And seeing how this is concerning RBWY characters, I shouldn't be too surprised but still. It's a big AP range difference, but nothing that could be, or has been called such in any similar or worse AP situation, a stomp.

It's that simple. Arguing further is arguing semantics and it feels like too much of a derail, honestly. They have the AP advantage, we don't need a couple of posts about this. And they sure as hell ain't stomping because of that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Unfazed by 8-B attack

Visibly cut and visibly flinches from the Gigas' attacks

Prove me wrong.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Sir RWBY 8-Bs scale to people who are stronger than people who oneshot people on Gon and Killua's level

Its an AP stomp

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Unfazed by 8-B attackVisibly cut and visibly flinches from the Gigas' attacks

Looking at the timeframes, it actually stops moving for a longer period of time from Weiss' explosion than the first hit or two from the Arma Gigas.

I don't have to "prove it wasn't undamaged". As I've said Grimm can disspate from taking too many blows without showing visible strain.