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I assume they heavily downscale off the likes of BoS Kiana Bronya and Mei
Since if I recall correctly they’re stated to be on par with A tankers
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Honkai Impact 3rd
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Since if I recall correctly they’re stated to be on par with A tankers
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More fun Jhana facts:
Jhana is 261146x faster than light
She traveled from the Centarus galaxy to the Earth in nearly half century lol
Jhana is 261146x faster than light
She traveled from the Centarus galaxy to the Earth in nearly half century lol
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Damn MFTL+
Meanwhile in Honkai Impact 3rd we get happy over crossing the 1% light speed threshold for our characters
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Base Bronya and Kiana are very casual bullet timers, so there's that. Bronya survived but was knocked out by bring slammed through several buildings. And all valkyries need to be at least as strong as anti-tank weaponry, which is required to defeat honkai beasts below Emperor class.
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Yeah her landing would've literally shattered a huge part of the planet, like Dr. Mei was literally ******** herself over the fact that Jhana was just going to land on the planet and shatter a massive part of it
Jhana landing on the planet would've literally blown off like half of the planet into orbit
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I really want to add Jhana to Honkai Impact 3rd since Houkai Gakuen 2 is basically another version of Hi3 but technically she's not a part of Hi3 so ehh. But I'm also too lazy to make a page of Houkai Gakuen 2 so oof
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Her stats would literally be something like
Attack Potency: At least Planet level in suppressed base (On par with base Kiana, destroyed the Earth and then re-created it from nothing, devoured multiple planets before coming to the Earth) | At least Planet level in suppressed true form (Stronger than before, as large as a planet) | At least Universe level in base (Easily defeated God Kiana after waking up from a very long slumber. Capable of casually creating a universe), likely far far higher | At least Universe level in true form (Stronger than before), likely far higher than before
Speed: At least Massivley Faster than Light+, likely higher (was capable of easily travelling to the Earth from the Centarus Galaxy in under 50 years) | Higher in suppressed true form | Higher in base | Higher in true form
Lifting Strength: Class Y (Planet-Class Honkai Beast)
Durability: At least Planet level in suppressed base (endured her own destruction of the Earth point blank) | At least Planet level in suppressed true form | At least Universe level in base, likely far far higher | At least Universe level, likely far higher than before
Stamina: Nearly endless
Range: At least Planetary (was capable of destroying the Moon from the surface of the Earth), likely far higher
Attack Potency: At least Planet level in suppressed base (On par with base Kiana, destroyed the Earth and then re-created it from nothing, devoured multiple planets before coming to the Earth) | At least Planet level in suppressed true form (Stronger than before, as large as a planet) | At least Universe level in base (Easily defeated God Kiana after waking up from a very long slumber. Capable of casually creating a universe), likely far far higher | At least Universe level in true form (Stronger than before), likely far higher than before
Speed: At least Massivley Faster than Light+, likely higher (was capable of easily travelling to the Earth from the Centarus Galaxy in under 50 years) | Higher in suppressed true form | Higher in base | Higher in true form
Lifting Strength: Class Y (Planet-Class Honkai Beast)
Durability: At least Planet level in suppressed base (endured her own destruction of the Earth point blank) | At least Planet level in suppressed true form | At least Universe level in base, likely far far higher | At least Universe level, likely far higher than before
Stamina: Nearly endless
Range: At least Planetary (was capable of destroying the Moon from the surface of the Earth), likely far higher
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GGZ has class y lifting strength?
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Yes, for some ungodly reason. Basically there's instances of characters literally growing to sizes much greater than planets and picking planets up and what not. It's a long ass story
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Also Jhana literally eats planets whole, I don't see why she wouldn't have Class Y lifting strength
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Hey, should we ask a staff to put Honkai characters on Quantum Manipulation page? Since the page lack a lot of verse to put on.
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Yeah sure, let's ask
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Oh yeah, Fu Hua blitzed magic doodoo sword that laid waste to the southern seas Himeko with one punch in one of the deleted comics
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i always viewed the deleted comics as Kinda just not canon anymore
Oh yeah, Fu Hua blitzed magic doodoo sword that laid waste to the southern seas Himeko with one punch in one of the deleted comics
Although I’ll definitely still check em out when ******** comes back
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They probably aren't canon anymore since well, they're deleted. So. Yuh.
Also have any of the calcs gotten approved or?
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Well Gravitational force for Class E Sirin is something that’s gonna take a while
Since while the math is right, Most Calc members aren’t experienced enough with Gravitational force to confidently evaluate it so I’m waiting on a more experienced dude I was suggested to ask to check it out
The rest like Mhs+ or 3% SoL Theresa and Class T Avora haven’t been evaluated yet
Painful waiting
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I'm assuming that the AP ones haven't been fully evaluated either, ik that the calc member that talked in the Dudu boom boom calc went MIA on the blog of that so
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Well scratch Theresa’s Calc off the list that’s evaluated now although the low end was went with so it’s just MHS+
Its still a very slight upgrade for general speed which makes Theresa “Massively Hypersonic+ with Sub Relativistic Reactions and combat speed
Since she arrived nigh instantly after Judah’s spear landed meaning she must’ve been comparable to it’s speed
But yeah the AP calcs are also not evaluated yet I’m waiting on those Might of An-Utu and Durandal calcs especially
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MHS+ is still an upgrade.
But jeez I'm impatient for the Durandal and Might of An-Utu calcs.
If Durandal gets small planet level it'd be quite an upgrade for the high to God tiers
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If the Durandal SP calc gets accepted her stats should be something like
Small Planet level in base (Fused the power of the Holy Sword completely, gave the Holy Sword the power to erase 1/5th of the Earth and flattened the dimensions of the bubble universe she was in temporairly) | At least Small Planet level (Stronger than in base, plenty of years of constant training and fighting passed since then) | At least Small Planet level (Has the Abyss Flower, stronger than the previous battlesuit) | At least Galaxy level, likely High Complex Multiverse level (Fused with the Ether Anchor, completely governs the bubble universe within her and the laws of it, has enough strength to completely pull in the bubble universe and contain it within herself, should be equal to La Nina, and other justifications)
Small Planet level in base (Fused the power of the Holy Sword completely, gave the Holy Sword the power to erase 1/5th of the Earth and flattened the dimensions of the bubble universe she was in temporairly) | At least Small Planet level (Stronger than in base, plenty of years of constant training and fighting passed since then) | At least Small Planet level (Has the Abyss Flower, stronger than the previous battlesuit) | At least Galaxy level, likely High Complex Multiverse level (Fused with the Ether Anchor, completely governs the bubble universe within her and the laws of it, has enough strength to completely pull in the bubble universe and contain it within herself, should be equal to La Nina, and other justifications)
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oh yeah and Kevin would be flat out Planet Level via 1% statement
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It’s actually not close to small planet+ at all
But it is at least 3x baseline Low 5-B
Although what I want to know is how consistent is it for all the tier 6 feats to be completely overwritten by a few tier 5 feats and less tier 4 feats that have pretty awkward and gigantic jumps by several million to billionfold to even 10^25 when it comes to 4-A starry skies
Is what I want to know
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The thing is, due to how the Honkai works, we never really could see the full destructive capabilities of herrschers. They want to turn the Earth into a honkai infested mess, not destroy it beyond recognition. Plus, the difference between God Tiers in the actual lore and A rankers is MASSIVE. A rankers get easily shitstomped while there's only like 3-4 S rankers at a time and even then they're barely herrscher level. It takes entire militaries of A rankers and multiple S rankers to usually defeat a single Herrscher, even those low tier ones. So it should be relatively consistent
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also it's consistent with the planet cleaving statement for the giant portal laser beam
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The thing is with the gap between calcs A rankers would scale off of and even S rankers
All of them to some extent would have to be Tier 5 unless if the gap was literally on the level of
The herrscher breaths/ flicks her wrist
Everyone just got pasted
And for S rankers and a mountain of A rankers to be relevant at all it wouldn’t be that bad otherwise the A rankers would just be canon fodder and pointless losses and if the S rankers are barely herrscher level they are
Which is kinda weird for the scaling
Because then you’d have HOV Kiana getting incapacitated by High 6-C a bomb, anti feat (I understand it’s not like the Shockwave bruised her or something it’s likely it did effect her to some extent or was involved in knocking her out)
Due to A rankers scaling Wendy statement of having the power to destroy several cities
yielding high 6-C becomes an anti feat
The 9th herrscher only destroying mu and not just completely shredding all of the earths continents in one go effortlessly becomes an anti feat
The Moonlight thrones 24 hour continent busting becomes an anti feat for it since that’s only 15 Gigatons
Welt Joyce’s eruption being low 7-B or 7-B and the Hypothetical Singapore Eruption being 7-B+ becomes even more pitiful but don’t care too much about this last point since eruptions are extremely small compared in power to the actual herrscher although I never thought over 10^18 times weaker (Still this point isn’t that important)
I’m fine if top tier characters end up as 5-B I just need explanations for why these tier 6 feats don’t just become anti feats
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Early Honkai Impact was retconned quite a lot from what I remember.
As for the bomb, Kiana absorbed nearly all of the energy, the shockwave was just residue. We can't ever know the full power of the bomb. Also it wasn't the blast that knocked Kiana out, it was the fact that her absorbing that amount of Honkai energy caused sirin to gain more fuel to overpower Kiana, which basically gave Kiana mega cancer.
The Wendy thing is early Honkai stuff and got retconned quite a bit, so just like the deleted comics I don't take the first few chapters very seriously.
Also in Houkai Gakuen 2, it is explained that Honkai energy by itself is not destructive, to be destructive it needs to be channeled properly, which should be relevant enough though since the Honkai energy concepts are copy paste. Eruptions are not that channeled properly. Most of the anti feats, if not all of them, are early Honkai Impact stuff which got retconned super fast
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Agree with Jack, Tier 5 idea now is a little bit weird.
And, the sword now is in incomplete state outside of its own world, it cannot be used to scale as you think.
And, the sword now is in incomplete state outside of its own world, it cannot be used to scale as you think.
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The sword isn't incomplete. The sword itself, as in the blade, was shattered, but Durandal, as stated in the novel, turned her own body into the sword. It is literally stated.
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and if you don't know, the actual blade is relatively useless, the power source comes from the gems that Durandal absorbed. Hence why they treated the sword as a lump of useless metal when it had no gems.
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Just fused with doesn't mean you can use freely outside of its own territory
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The holy sword wasn't even from the bubble universe. What are you talking about?
Also it is literally fused into Durandals ACTUAL BODY. Like her literal body, not the bubble universe, the body itself.
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iirc the holy sword was made in the previous era, and was somehow sent into the sea of quanta (i forgot how), where schordinger eventually found it and used it to jump into a bubble universe
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The reason that she fused with it cuz the problem about the stability of the world bubble, didn't mean she can use it freely.
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She fused with it because she had to beat La Nina, not because of the stability. Also it literally was stated that it fully responds to her will, that's how she literally made it into her own body. Have you even read the visual novel?
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Didn't come from but still stuck with that world bubble, that's a point
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I'm talking about the aftermath with La Nina, she fused with both sword and the world to maintain the stability
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In terms of Kiana’s side effects she didn’t feel them or get affected by them that quickly that the Honkai energy was the only reason she was incapacitated purely due to overload as such an explanation is never given,
I view it as more likely both were a factor
And if the Shockwave was even a thousandth of a percentage of HOV Kiana’s power at that time it would still be an anti feat I’m not claiming it was only the shockwave
There’s also some other anti feats
The flame Herrschers Australia burning which using a better method Aka the Radiation energy calculator it was only 1.0358271819E+22 J/s or 2.4 Teratons aka Small Country level
While being noted to be the most destructive of the previous era Herrschers up to that point
Her core being taken to make a High 5-A weapon is a little wack considering the level of power it started out as and was capable of outputting as if Mei just made it 10^24 times stronger
Which doesn’t really have an explanation besides “Dr Mei brain cells are just that built different”
I mean it’s ok I mean she is insanely smart but I’ll continuously be skeptical
Unless if you take the destructive part as meaning she has High 6-B range and other herrschers didn’t before her and if so man their Herrscher of Wind was Garbo based on Avora
I don’t discredit the early chapters
But this is something that needs further opinion on I guess
Because if we disregard those early chapter feats were gonna have stuff like either Moon level+ BoS Kiana Wendy etc or unknown ratings since Downscaling too much after a certain point kinda just isn’t a thing
What is Honkai Gakuen 2 stays Honkai Gakuen 2 that applies in that verse since it’s completely separate
So we need evidence that in Honkai Impact 3rd it works the same
Moon level Honkai for top tiers I can see as legit in the case of like Fu Hua and Kevin
But above that I think I’m gonna need extremely strong reasoning or just having it left as a likely rating while bumping characters up to High 6-A in general
Like
High 6-A likely Low 5-B
Since I’ve got another AP Calc for Kevin that probably might yield moon level idk
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The world bubble isn't it's territory. It got stuck in there because the gems got scattered. So that argument is completely irrelevant to anything.
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The shockwave was most likely much much smaller in terms of precentage.
As for the Herrscher of Flames thing it is an anti feat but aside from that eh.
Oh and the CE Herrschers do have more developed skills than the PE herrschers, just saying, from Welt to Sirin to even the newest one, but I won't spoil that. PE in general seemed to have just less advanced herrschers in general so the HoF thing is most likely a mix of range and ap.
As for early stuff like Wendy, I'd probably leave the early stuff as is, and just clarify that the power got retconned but there's no logical way to make the retconned powers function with the new applied ones.
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Also if have not read VN yet I wouldn't have been to find this much scans
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