Honkai Impact 3rd

[Jackof_noTrades068]

We see Sieg literally use the crushed core that was prior in Sirin, hence why it detected Sirin

But then that makes the term Ambient charging make no sense
If it is purely the energy of the Reason core

Even if we give this the benefit of the doubt and Sirin’s energy simply leaked off onto the reason core and its energy is in the environment then at that point it’s a feat for Sirin and not literally next to no power Welt?

Nothing stated that Siegfried was using the crushed core anyway for anything like powering Shamash anyway

 

[Avengershows]

But then that makes the term Ambient charging make no sense
If it is purely the energy of the Reason core

Even if we give this the benefit of the doubt and Sirin’s energy simply leaked off onto the reason core and its energy is in the environment then at that point it’s a feat for Sirin and not literally next to no power Welt?

Nothing stated that Siegfried was using the crushed core anyway for anything like powering Shamash anyway

Cores release energy continuously, especially if they're crushed (like what we see when Sirins core chips and causes her too loose control). Also they were in the shield of Selene which was protecting them from the Honkai energy from the outside (it literally blocked contended honkai energy). As for why it says second herrscher, there could be many reasons. But it's most likely that it's just the latest user. Also there doesn't really need to be a statement given context

 

[Neutralino]

No? Herrschers don't have an order they come in
1. Reason
2. Void
3. Thunder
4. Wind
5. Ice
6. Star
7. Sentience
8. Legion

Exactly, and some of them are in a different order than the previous era. For example, fire, which was the 7th in the previous era but clearly isn't in the current one. We're kind of getting off topic, though.

 

[Avengershows]

Exactly, and some of them are in a different order than the previous era. For example, fire, which was the 7th in the previous era but clearly isn't in the current one. We're kind of getting off topic, though.

I don't get your point. How is that relevant to anything? All I'm saying is that the 8th right now is both hax and strength wise stronger than the 10th in the PE

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Cores release energy continuously, especially if they're crushed (like what we see when Sirins core chips and causes her too loose control). Also they were in the shield of Selene which was protecting them from the Honkai energy from the outside (it literally blocked contended honkai energy). As for why it says second herrscher, there could be many reasons. But it's most likely that it's just the latest user. Also there doesn't really need to be a statement given context

Yes it is true that when cracked they can continuously leak out Honkai so long as it’s a legit core
But those core fragments didn’t seem to be releasing anything they were completely dull without that blue glow
Compared to more functional herrscher cores that actually had glows like Ana’s Owl’s or Welt’s on the moon
It doesn’t matter that they were inside of the shield of Selene at a point
Siegfried it only charged after the shield of Selene had been brought down and after it was brought down the cascade had already spewed Honkai everywhere around the battle field they were fighting in

And when it comes to context I don’t think the context implies Welt powering up either
Within the context Siegfried got healed and poured every last ounce of his energy into his next hit
With Welt emotionally supporting him and having enough energy to do minor things like switching on the shield of Selene

We also had Siegfried saying that he’s spent out of power
But if welt’s core did it why did all welt do was just tell Siegfried not to give up? And just telling him he needs to protect what’s dear to him instead of just being like
“Chill, I have mountains of spare energy left I power Shamash you do the rest”

It just seems like way more of a stretch to say it was mainly Welt’s doing and you have to come up with more explanations for why such occurred

 

[Avengershows]

Yes it is true that when cracked they can continuously leak out Honkai so long as it’s a legit core
But those core fragments didn’t seem to be releasing anything they were completely dull without that blue glow
Compared to more functional herrscher cores that actually had glows like Ana’s Owl’s or Welt’s on the moon
It doesn’t matter that they were inside of the shield of Selene at a point
Siegfried it only charged after the shield of Selene had been brought down and after it was brought down the cascade had already spewed Honkai everywhere around the battle field they were fighting in

And when it comes to context I don’t think the context implies Welt powering up either
Within the context Siegfried got healed and poured every last ounce of his energy into his next hit
With Welt emotionally supporting him and having enough energy to do minor things like switching on the shield of Selene

We also had Siegfried saying that he’s spent out of power
But if welt’s core did it why did all welt do was just tell Siegfried not to give up? And just telling him he needs to protect what’s dear to him instead of just being like
“Chill, I have mountains of spare energy left I power Shamash you do the rest”

It just seems like way more of a stretch to say it was mainly Welt’s doing and you have to come up with more explanations for why such occurred

By the time the shield of Selene was down and the might of An-Utu began to get charged Cecilia already neutralized most of the honkai energy to create an opening.

also when charging the might of an-utu up Siegfried literally says "this is our last shot" in reference to welt

Also the core was still glowing, just a different color

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

By the time the shield of Selene was down and the might of An-Utu began to get charged Cecilia already neutralized most of the honkai energy to create an opening.

also when charging the might of an-utu up Siegfried literally says "this is our last shot" in reference to welt

Also the core was still glowing, just a different color

Cecilia only neutralized further Honkai energy from being leaked out from Sirin not Honkai all around them to do that she would’ve needed to spread her blood everywhere around them

Saying this is our last shot doesn’t automatically mean that Welt powered it
Especially since Siegfried injected himself with an activator
It could also mean that Siegfried is carrying welts words into this final shot as well, or saying that this will be just as much Welts Win or loss depending on the outcome of the situation
Honestly I want other people in the thread to comment on this

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I don't get your point. How is that relevant to anything? All I'm saying is that the 8th right now is both hax and strength wise stronger than the 10th in the PE

Technically if you want to be technical the death and flame herrscher cores have already came into existence in the CE and technically Sirin was their herrscher
So technically this is the tenth

 

[Avengershows]

Cecilia only neutralized further Honkai energy from being leaked out from Sirin not Honkai all around them to do that she would’ve needed to spread her blood everywhere around them

Saying this is our last shot doesn’t automatically mean that Welt powered it
Especially since Siegfried injected himself with an activator
It could also mean that Siegfried is carrying welts words into this final shot as well, or saying that this will be just as much Welts Win or loss depending on the outcome of the situation
Honestly I want other people in the thread to comment on this

Cecilia literally said she knew how to neutralize the Honkai, not neutralize it so it doesn't spill out.

Also, again, context matters. The letters were bolded, if it was just emotional uselessness then it wouldn't have been bolded. Also it says "core energy", not just "energy".

 

[Avengershows]

Technically if you want to be technical the death and flame herrscher cores have already came into existence in the CE and technically Sirin was their herrscher
So technically this is the tenth

nope, APHO literally says that the 9th is the last herrscher. If the core came without a herrscher, it doesn't count.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Cecilia literally said she knew how to neutralize the Honkai, not neutralize it so it doesn't spill out.

Also, again, context matters. The letters were bolded, if it was just emotional uselessness then it wouldn't have been bolded. Also it says "core energy", not just "energy".

I know she said neutralize the Honkai
But her target was Sirin’s core to conserve her blood
Her powernull is based on contact with her blood and her blood only hit the overloaded core the air and ground was already contaminated with Honkai

Authorial intent is difficult to prove in the case of this holding outside of just wanting to emphasize

Since your justification for it saying Second herrscher is Sirin’s energy being detected within the core due to using it last
How sure are we welt wouldn’t be using some energy that leaked into his core from Sirin rather than his own energy?
Sirin from having several cores had a humungous supply of Honkai that even dregs of her energy(even if it was 0.1% of her energy based on current calcs and scaling) would amp even a full power Welt due to their power gap

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

nope, APHO literally says that the 9th is the last herrscher. If the core came without a herrscher, it doesn't count.

Oh I see APHO’s cannonicity some find questionable so maybe things happened different there but I’m leaning more towards the side that thinks it’s canon so I can’t disagree

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I know she said neutralize the Honkai
But her target was Sirin’s core to conserve her blood
Her powernull is based on contact with her blood and her blood only hit the overloaded core the air and ground was already contaminated with Honkai

Authorial intent is difficult to prove in the case of this holding outside of just wanting to emphasize

Since your justification for it saying Second herrscher is Sirin’s energy being detected within the core due to using it last
How sure are we welt wouldn’t be using some energy that leaked into his core from Sirin rather than his own energy?
Sirin from having several cores had a humungous supply of Honkai that even dregs of her energy(even if it was 0.1% of her energy based on current calcs and scaling) would amp even a full power Welt due to their power gap

Actually scratch just an amp
It literally would double his strength(It would make him an additional 892 Gigatons stronger) if he got literally 0.1% of Sirin’s energy doing the math and being conservative and ignoring further scaling

Imo it’s better to just say in favor for welt that he can power the star of Eden tbh
Low 6-B+ Environmental destruction and 6-A/ High 6-A AP
No need to bring up shamash
Although he probably doesn’t scale to the environmental destruction because welts black holes are so tiny but the rest is valid

 

[Avengershows]

I know she said neutralize the Honkai
But her target was Sirin’s core to conserve her blood
Her powernull is based on contact with her blood and her blood only hit the overloaded core the air and ground was already contaminated with Honkai

Authorial intent is difficult to prove in the case of this holding outside of just wanting to emphasize

Since your justification for it saying Second herrscher is Sirin’s energy being detected within the core due to using it last
How sure are we welt wouldn’t be using some energy that leaked into his core from Sirin rather than his own energy?
Sirin from having several cores had a humungous supply of Honkai that even dregs of her energy(even if it was 0.1% of her energy based on current calcs and scaling) would amp even a full power Welt due to their power gap

Her goal wasn't Sirin, she needed to find Sirins body so that Siegfried could strike her.

Also my justification is more-so: Due to Sirin last using the core, rather than Welt, it is her who has it's "user" attached to it, hence why it's called her energy rather than that. Also if it was ambient energy from her honkai tower thing that powered the Might of An-Utu she'd probably be shot to Moon level at least given how its her core being chipped, only one of her cores at that.

Oh I see APHO’s cannonicity some find questionable so maybe things happened different there but I’m leaning more towards the side that thinks it’s canon so I can’t disagree

APHO's canonnicity is questionable but it's the only source. Also as I said, cores count as herrschers when they give birth to a herrscher, it's a weird mechanic.

Actually scratch just an amp
It literally would double his strength(It would make him an additional 892 Gigatons stronger) if he got literally 0.1% of Sirin’s energy doing the math and being conservative and ignoring further scaling

Imo it’s better to just say in favor for welt that he can power the star of Eden tbh
Low 6-B+ Environmental destruction and 6-A/ High 6-A AP
No need to bring up shamash
Although he probably doesn’t scale to the environmental destruction because welts black holes are so tiny but the rest is valid

You do realize that it'd be a massive feat for Sirin for her to power the Might of An-Utu, as I said, it's only some of her energy escaping after she lost half of her cores and had what leaked out immediately neutralized, it'd literally shoot her up to riddiculous amounts.

 

[Avengershows]

But yeah, Welt as the literal first Herrscher is decently strong, he has 3 to 4 decent things:
Might of An-Utu thing
Black Hole
Durandal VN statement
Was able to somewhat fight 5 core Sirin even though she shat on him

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Her goal wasn't Sirin, she needed to find Sirins body so that Siegfried could strike her.

Also my justification is more-so: Due to Sirin last using the core, rather than Welt, it is her who has it's "user" attached to it, hence why it's called her energy rather than that. Also if it was ambient energy from her honkai tower thing that powered the Might of An-Utu she'd probably be shot to Moon level at least given how its her core being chipped, only one of her cores at that.



APHO's canonnicity is questionable but it's the only source. Also as I said, cores count as herrschers when they give birth to a herrscher, it's a weird mechanic.



You do realize that it'd be a massive feat for Sirin for her to power the Might of An-Utu, as I said, it's only some of her energy escaping after she lost half of her cores and had what leaked out immediately neutralized, it'd literally shoot her up to riddiculous amounts.

She didn't even need to find Sirin' body she just said she needed a good spot to shoot the Honkai formation which Sirin was inside

It wouldn't shoot her all the way up to moon level because the gap is too big
Thinking about it why Am I even arguing against you as if Welt having that amount of energy anyway
Herrschers can casually spam attacks on their level of with next to no exhaustion,(Which contributes to their absurd stamina) and can power things stronger than their standard attacks consistently
Welt with the star of eden and WOTH amp Sirin with one void core instantly outputting energy on the level of her siberia eruption when she was full power with other cores and continuing to raise in energy from that point
I'm pretty sure we also came to a similar conclusion with the macrocosm creation statement for the first and second herrschers that their total supply of energy>>>>Standard attacks from them.

I still disagree that all the Honkai in the environment was neutralized tho
I stand by that the energy that had already leaked was still there around and that Neutralizing the Honkai just refers to stopping it from getting any worse and stopping all of the attacks as well as weakening the defensive wall

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

But yeah, Welt as the literal first Herrscher is decently strong, he has 3 to 4 decent things:
Might of An-Utu thing
Black Hole
Durandal VN statement
Was able to somewhat fight 5 core Sirin even though she shat on him

But yeah Welt is built different tho
I wonder how strong Joyce was by comparison to Welt
Since the WOTH thinks Welt during the year 2000 was a discount Joyce

 

[Avengershows]

She didn't even need to find Sirin' body she just said she needed a good spot to shoot the Honkai formation which Sirin was inside

It wouldn't shoot her all the way up to moon level because the gap is too big
Thinking about it why Am I even arguing against you as if Welt having that amount of energy anyway
Herrschers can casually spam attacks on their level of with next to no exhaustion,(Which contributes to their absurd stamina) and can power things stronger than their standard attacks consistently
Welt with the star of eden and WOTH amp Sirin with one void core instantly outputting energy on the level of her siberia eruption when she was full power with other cores and continuing to raise in energy from that point
I'm pretty sure we also came to a similar conclusion with the macrocosm creation statement for the first and second herrschers that their total supply of energy>>>>Standard attacks from them.

I still disagree that all the Honkai in the environment was neutralized tho
I stand by that the energy that had already leaked was still there around and that Neutralizing the Honkai just refers to stopping it from getting any worse and stopping all of the attacks as well as weakening the defensive wall

Yeah I forgot what the gap was, it'd just be Multi Continental+, but yeah, Welt is able to power God Keys (big surprise its totes like he didnt use god keys before hmm) and Welt isn't even at his peak either way, he was sick from what I remember (or was that post 2nd eruption), also yeah we did agree on the microcosm thing, I'm just saying it as backing evidence that Welt should have that amount of energy.

Also yeah, not all of the honkai was neutralized, just most if it, like, most of the structure of honkai was obliderated from the area, but there was still some of it left.

But basically, my point wasn't what tier Welt scales to, I'm just saying that even the 1st herrscher is able to do whacky things despite supposedly being the weakest in terms of honkai energy amount. Tho as for the tier I'd put Welt at I'd say "Large Country level (or whatever it was that Siberia ranked at), potentially Continent to Multi-Continent level, at least continental level with star of eden, potentially multi continental" or something like that

As for Joyce, Joyce should be much stronger since like, literal WOTH praised Joyce to no end.

 

[Avengershows]

Also, Cecilias goal WAS to clear the surroundings of the Honkai Energy, she literally says that she needs to take care of the honkai formation,

Her attack wiped out most of the honkai that was building up upon impact as seen here. Naturally a bunch still remained but yeah

 

[Avengershows]

wait I just noticed that we can literally see the HoR core being slapped into the Might of An-Utu, if you look closely you can see the places where it shattered

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yeah I forgot what the gap was, it'd just be Multi Continental+, but yeah, Welt is able to power God Keys (big surprise its totes like he didnt use god keys before hmm) and Welt isn't even at his peak either way, he was sick from what I remember (or was that post 2nd eruption), also yeah we did agree on the microcosm thing, I'm just saying it as backing evidence that Welt should have that amount of energy.

Also yeah, not all of the honkai was neutralized, just most if it, like, most of the structure of honkai was obliderated from the area, but there was still some of it left.

But basically, my point wasn't what tier Welt scales to, I'm just saying that even the 1st herrscher is able to do whacky things despite supposedly being the weakest in terms of honkai energy amount. Tho as for the tier I'd put Welt at I'd say "Large Country level (or whatever it was that Siberia ranked at), potentially Continent to Multi-Continent level, at least continental level with star of eden, potentially multi continental" or something like that

As for Joyce, Joyce should be much stronger since like, literal WOTH praised Joyce to no end.

I mean High 6-B welt isn’t even outrageous since as I said One core Sirin just had High 6- energy chilling there
Plus no one scales off of Welt and early second eruption Sirin besides Murata

But yeah it is true Welt was pretty nerfed after he used his core so much that he could’ve went through a cascade.
He was still only 67% of his life power during Alien space 5 years later and at 47%? on the moon give or take and even on the moon he could still squeeze out a tiny black hole even if it was smaller than his first one vs Sirin when he was less weakened

On that Cecilia point that is kinda what I mean miscommunication on my side then

Oh I didn’t realize that minor detail of the reason core going into Shamash looks like the core fixed itself

 

[Avengershows]

I mean High 6-B welt isn’t even outrageous since as I said One core Sirin just had High 6- energy chilling there
Plus no one scales off of Welt and early second eruption Sirin besides Murata

But yeah it is true Welt was pretty nerfed after he used his core so much that he could’ve went through a cascade.
He was still only 67% of his life power during Alien space 5 years later and at 47%? on the moon give or take and even on the moon he could still squeeze out a tiny black hole even if it was smaller than his first one vs Sirin when he was less weakened

On that Cecilia point that is kinda what I mean miscommunication on my side then

Oh I didn’t realize that minor detail of the reason core going into Shamash looks like the core fixed itself

Oh and Welt even at that point was out of energy since he had to literally use a broken selene to block the giant blocks of honkai energy and what not. So I think a High 6-B, likely 6A-H6A rating would be fine.

 

[Avengershows]

how do i make character sandboxes?

 

[Lapsad]

I think make in the blog is better.

 

[Avengershows]

I think make in the blog is better.

Ah fair, I'm debating whether or not to create a blog sandbox for Thomas Edison

 

[Avengershows]

I think I found an interesting speed feat, the wings on Knight Moonbeams back are gamma rays, and when she fires them out they literally shoot out as gamma rays (as stated in the battlesuit description); meaning that Hua dodging them should scale to their speeds

 

[Avengershows]

She also point blank dodged

 

[Neutralino]

She also point blank dodged

FTL S ranks and above? Interesting. Do you have a screenshot of KMB's description? I don't own it, unfortunately. This also reminds me of this.

https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0014.jpg

Energy wings in Honkai are really not to be messed with.

 

[Avengershows]

FTL S ranks and above? Interesting. Do you have a screenshot of KMB's description? I don't own it, unfortunately. This also reminds me of this.

https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0014.jpg

Energy wings in Honkai are really not to be messed with.

Yeah I'll get the screenshots, but until i do you should be able to find it on the wiki which always provided accurate descriptions to my knowledge

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

She also point blank dodged

Do you have any screenshots of Knight moon beams description
Because already at least 1 rule for a beam being legit light is being broken
Since it’s exploding on impact
Another is that the beams are changing direction after being fired without traveling through a new medium
Also gamma rays tend to go straight through things/penetrate rather than having such an impact
They may as well be intangible so them being called gamma rays on its own is probably proof they aren’t as fast


So for now I’ll view them as gamma ray esque unless there is more evidence

 

[Avengershows]

Do you have any screenshots of Knight moon beams description
Because already 1 rule for a beam being legit light is being broken
Since it’s exploding on impact
Also gamma rays tend to go straight through things rather than having such an impact at most they’d burn or just radiate as plain waves
Another is that the beams are changing direction after being fired without traveling through a new medium

So for now I’ll view them as gamma ray esque unless there is more evidence

I'll send the screenshots.
Also this is anime logic here, so light being broken isn't too surprising. As for the description, since it is a literal description from mihoyo themselves, meant to inform the players of the suit, i doubt they meant gamma ray esque.
As for the explosion part, it is very bizarre, but nothing new to fiction.
Even in the other manga, they only change direction at the literal point of the wings, so it's most likely that the wings are somehow changing it's direction

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I'll send the screenshots.
Also this is anime logic here, so light being broken isn't too surprising. As for the description, since it is a literal description from mihoyo themselves, meant to inform the players of the suit, i doubt they meant gamma ray esque.
As for the explosion part, it is very bizarre, but nothing new to fiction.
Even in the other manga, they only change direction at the literal point of the wings, so it's most likely that the wings are somehow changing it's direction

It’s just kinda bizarre
Since Honkai likes to be semi scientific or straight up scientific at times with powers
Mei and Benares’ lightning
The Chandreaskaar limit being brought up for Welt
Time dilation relating to mass etc

So to have these beams defying this makes me even more skeptical they’re legit
If they were being accurate here the beams would’ve just done nothing upon landing
And if they hit fu Hua they’d go straight through her and she would die from the radiation (since if these are actual gamma rays trying to physically hurt someone with them is kinda stupid so it would have to be via poisoning)

While explosions being not being wierd in fiction is true it still makes it harder to prove legit light

But I’ll have an open mind and wait for the description scans

 

[Avengershows]

It’s just kinda bizarre
Since Honkai likes to be semi scientific or straight up scientific at times with powers
Mei and Benares’ lightning
The Chandreaskaar limit being brought up for Welt
Time dilation relating to mass etc

So to have these beams defying this makes me even more skeptical they’re legit
If they were being accurate here the beams would’ve just done nothing upon landing
And if they hit fu Hua they’d go straight through her and she would die from the radiation (since if these are actual gamma rays trying to physically hurt someone with them is kinda stupid so it would have to be via poisoning)

While explosions being not being wierd in fiction is true it still makes it harder to prove legit light

But I’ll have an open mind and wait for the description scans

Also, they only exploded once in the story. Another thing, light in fiction shouldn't be able to hurt anyone technically but would just burn them alive anyway. So eh, the point about radiation is iffy. It's a common trope

 

[Avengershows]

Also, they only exploded once in the story. Another thing, light in fiction shouldn't be able to hurt anyone technically but would just burn them alive anyway. So eh, the point about radiation is iffy. It's a common trope

The thing about the lightwing beams is locked for me, so I can't screenshot it, I'll try to see if any of my friends have it unlocked

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Also, they only exploded once in the story. Another thing, light in fiction shouldn't be able to hurt anyone technically but would just burn them alive anyway. So eh, the point about radiation is iffy. It's a common trope

But wait I need to say
Are welts black holes anti feats for Ftl S rankers and above?
If I recall correctly I remember it being stated that light can’t even escape the quasi black holes just like real black holes as if it’s super impressive
Sirin wasn’t fast enough to fly out of Welt’s black hole in their first fight
And on the moon she decided to try destroying the Star of Eden instead of just
Flying away which would’ve been way easier

This wouldn’t kill the possibility of Ftl reactions tho just general movement/combat speed

 

[Avengershows]

But wait I need to say
Are welts black holes anti feats for Ftl S rankers and above?
If I recall correctly I remember it being stated that light can’t even escape the quasi black holes
Sirin wasn’t fast enough to fly out of Welt’s black hole in their first fight
And on the moon she decided to try destroying the Star of Eden instead of just
Flying away

Not really, in the AE visual novel Otto with his fake body while inside of a black hole being crushed shot the star of Eden so he wouldn't be killed.

Also I believe Mei and Durandal had a whole ass fight inside the black hole at coral island

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Not really, in the AE visual novel Otto with his fake body while inside of a black hole being crushed shot the star of Eden so he wouldn't be killed.

Also I believe Mei and Durandal had a whole ass fight inside the black hole at coral island

They didn’t call it a black hole on coral island they just called it a “gravity sphere” via narration
While the quasi black hole naming thing is consistent

If they did fight inside a black hole then damn Honkai black holes were a lot less scientific than I thought

 

[Avengershows]

They didn’t call it a black hole on coral island they just called it a “gravity sphere” via narration
While the quasi black hole naming thing is consistent

If they did fight inside a black hole then damn Honkai black holes were a lot less scientific than I thought

The sphere was disintegrating everything it touched, plus it'd be possible to actually fight within one given that they're herrschers and can survive literally having half their bodies within black holes so no surprise there. Although yeah I'm uncertain about what it was at coral anyway.

As for the welt stuff i looked back on the chapter and when the black hole was summoned Sirins leg was already being sucked in but she managed to somehow move back slightly. And it's not like it's the first time Kekhoyo retconned stuff so i wouldn't be surprised

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

But wait I need to say
Are welts black holes anti feats for Ftl S rankers and above?
If I recall correctly I remember it being stated that light can’t even escape the quasi black holes just like real black holes as if it’s super impressive
Sirin wasn’t fast enough to fly out of Welt’s black hole in their first fight
And on the moon she decided to try destroying the Star of Eden instead of just
Flying away which would’ve been way easier

This wouldn’t kill the possibility of Ftl reactions tho just general movement/combat speed

Found the scans we have welt seemingly treating light being unable to escape as if it’s impressive or impossible to get out of via normal means
A Ftl character that can consistently and constantly move at Ftl speed would lol nope that

 

[Avengershows]

Found the scans we have welt seemingly treating light being unable to escape as if it’s impressive or impossible to get out of via normal means
A Ftl character that can consistently and constantly move at Ftl speed would lol nope that

Oh that guy, yeah he's not super impressive so Welt was most likely just talking to him. Plus I do believe that that manga is early Honkai material which was heavily trashed (i.e. in the same manga they call yae sakura a herrscher).