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you cant get 5-D via containing infinite 4-D
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Honkai Cosmology Rework
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Mbpoops
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Its even stated that it cant be described by 4 dimensional mathmatics it should be 5-6D for containing ether anchors and the ether anchor point which are higher dimensional than the bubble world that was stated to be 4D
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image isn't loading for me :/
Mbpoops
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its 6-7 pages...
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I wouldn't be able to describe an infinite 4d thing with finite 4d math :/
tho maybe I am being stoobid
tho isn't SoQ already 5D just for another reasons?
also where tf did you even get 6D from are you trying to pull: this higher d realm and this higher d realm are both contained within this other realm so +2d? cuz that's not how it works if we don't know the dimensionality of the higher d realms
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Dude are you properly comprehending what i said? Ive already established how the hilbert space itself isnt infinite dimensional in the relevant sense. the tree being infinite in relation to it is cool, but it CERTAINLY does not mean its aleph 1 of the relevant dimensionality. could it be aleph 1? sure idrc. but the matter of fact here is, its not aleph 1 in dimensionality which is your whole argument
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One of the scans said it cannot be explained with 3-D or 4-D math. So.. Maybe that's enough for 5-D.
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Sahl. If you come up with arguments this ass, it'll be genshin that suffers from it.
Anyways I don't disagree with 5D SoQ anyways so stop this
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I dont think ur being stupid
Pretty sure (though please correct me if im wrong) it was because it couldnt be described by 4d mathmatics and being the bulk that contains the infinite bubble worlds (though arguably it is specifically stated that ONE universe was 4D but thats a whole other argument)
6D from containing the ether anchor point, ether anchor point being 5D for transcending the 4D bubble universe and the SoQ being the bulk containing the ether anchor point should be 6D (unless im just mistaking something)
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I'm just saying Maybe, why are u so mean...
And i'm not even joining with in this debate anyway, i'm just watching.
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Why are yall sliming out the genshin supporters bro that should be me 
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Why are yall sliming out the genshin supporters bro that should be me
Well, that tickle me a little bit, but anyways..
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It can't be described in a 4 dimensional framework because it have other 7 extra dimensions......
Contains infinite amount of 4D Bubble World is fine, problem is, you need to remember that Bubble World is a finite 4D structure while SoQ is stated to be infinite 4D can contains infinite amount of finite 4D object within it, it doesn't help that Bubble world isn't even universe-sized or infinite in size
But anyway, i don't really mind that SoQ is Low 1-C, just argued it to be Low 2-C cause you want to go with the route of IT > SoQ
?, i mean of course, it allow you to go beyond the bubble worlds, which is the Sea of Quanta, smand SoQ is higher-dimensional structure
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What are you talking about? The sea is never stated to have only infinite 4D dimensions with 7 finite ones??? Thats the universe they are familiar with? It even says it in the scan and they are refering to the bubble world as the world they are familiar with that is 4D where did you get the sea of quanta 4D from?
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Where did i say the SoQ is 4D????
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isnt there a scan that proves that it isnt capped at inf 4D?
Mbpoops
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Mbpoops
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I have all the scans on my pc and even posted a link to play both vns
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I did said it is 11D, but only 4 infinite D while other 7D is compact
Oke i phrased it badly, i apologize, what i mean is the 4 infinite dimensions of it, not mean SoQ is only 4D
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Oh I see now
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After reading @Le'garde273 opinion, I agree that if there is a SOQ L2C and IT L2C, or a SOQ L1C and IT L1C, there is no advantage between the two, because both are equal.Doesn't matter vro
We are talking about "influence"
If IT was qualitative superiority to SoQ that IT add 1D compared to SoQ, how in the world IT could lose influence against lower dimension in it's own domain at first place?
If SoQ really lower dimension compared to IT, how SoQ isn't "extinc" Yet? Like ain't IT constantly absorb the sea to grow itself? Cause SoQ was should be trait as infinite small compared to IT if that was in the case
I disagree about h1b
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because the tree is stated to be infinite on a transfinite sense so yea compared to the tree the sea would be a smaller infinity
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Bubble Worlds are infinite 4-D structure at maximum, read the MWI section about the Sea of Quanta, this is what the Sea of Quanta contains and there's an infinite amount of them
Like arbitrarily, Sea of Quanta being Low 2-C doesn't even make sense when the Bubble Worlds are infinite 4-D, they were never finite 4-D, in the same statement it was stated the Bubble World that Durandal is in is infinite 4 dimensional and finite 7 dimensional
This is the next statement in the VN after they said "When these 「bubble worlds」 are in the 「Ether Bathhub」, a choice of which of the eleven dimensions are inherited must be made." — Not to mention, the universe HI3 is in is already stated directly to be 4-D in the Sirin scan, no reason to assume it's finite 4-D
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alright you're getting wiped
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Bubble Worlds are infinite 4-D structure at maximum, read the MWI section about the Sea of Quanta, this is what the Sea of Quanta contains and there's an infinite amount of them
Like arbitrarily, Sea of Quanta being Low 2-C doesn't even make sense when the Bubble Worlds are infinite 4-D, they were never finite 4-D, in the same statement it was stated the Bubble World that Durandal is in is infinite 4 dimensional and finite 7 dimensional
4d bubble world, but does not meet the l2c classification, because their size is not as big as the universe, so even if soq is for example l2c, it still makes senses.
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But you can ignore this since it isnt the argument
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I haven't read it, I just sensed the misunderstanding with M-Theory strings within the thread and checked out the latest page.
Yes. You can have a frog be fifth-dimensional and be unperceptible to a character without the cosmology being Low 1-C. You need to prove the spatial axis itself is of notable size, not that it exists or stuff exists within it.
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Apologies if i was aggressive
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Vietthai found dead in the 3D sea of quanta
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Mentioning Hilbert Space by itself doesn't mean the cosmology conforms to it, but it does mean the franchise understands spatial axis.
For the thread it mostly comes down to the following:
Going by Nova and just reading this, a character describing how Hilbert Space works doesn't mean the cosmology follows Hilbert Space. It's like a work that mentions the Bible or Quran doesn't mean it automatically has a Tier 0 entity.
The transinfinite increase of the tree compared to the universe is probably the best thing from it, but you can have a Cardinal number that just gives you +1D without having to go to infinite dimensions.
So only reading the OP and pages 5/6, I don't think the evidence for High 1-B is there. Though I can see a higher rating in Tier 1, depending on what's the highest Aleph construct that the tree exceeds.
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Gonna ask. Can the hilbert space scans for dimensional size (I.E. that all dimensions can be infinite) still be used since the person who is speaking about them is taught by hilbert themselves? Or is the entire scan null and void since the verse uses brane theory?
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Hilbert Space is a mathematical construct that uses infinite coordinate dimensions; the spaces themselves are only infinite in size as a byproduct of having infinite angles. It's used in Quantum Mechanic calculations
The issue is mostly can you prove that the universe operates physically under Hilbert Space. Any type of mathematical idea can exist, but it's only relevant to a work if it uses that idea as a bases for its cosmology. For example, Hilbert Space is used in the Ruckerverse in a cosmological and explicit way. You'd have to show that Honkai uses it in a similar fashion.
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If Bubble World is infinite 4D, they all must be High 3-A in spatial size at least, but no, what do we have?, HI3rd take place in a Solar System sized World, Bubble in Durandal VN is explicitly Continent sized, Silver Wolf patch Bubble World is slight bigger than city size. So even if i take the infinite 4D at face value, the verse debunking itself by showing the bubble world actual sizeBubble Worlds are infinite 4-D structure at maximum, read the MWI section about the Sea of Quanta, this is what the Sea of Quanta contains and there's an infinite amount of them
Like arbitrarily, Sea of Quanta being Low 2-C doesn't even make sense when the Bubble Worlds are infinite 4-D, they were never finite 4-D, in the same statement it was stated the Bubble World that Durandal is in is infinite 4 dimensional and finite 7 dimensional
Also i remembered somewhere in Anti-Entropy VN said Bubble world is a microcosm
Even in all these scans also stated membranes evolves to bubble world and there are relatively small bubble and other big bubble, if bubble world is infinite, then there should be no such statement
What? There verse directly show them to be finite 4D, why i must assume it?
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The Honkai scale on Earth is considered to be the lowest cardinal number and the tree is stated to be infinite in transfinite sense. Lowest cardinal number is Aleph-0, so the Tree is Aleph-1 compare to Earth, or if we being generous, compare to 4D bubble world
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