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Ok, so I believe the Honkai fandom had their fun and stuff with the recent L1A upgrade.
Unfortunately for them though, this gave me time to ruminate on further scaling. Particularly regarding the context of certain concepts within the verse, as I, self-admittedly, am a total Hi3 noob.
And as a result of this, I’ve come to the conclusion that this verse... is hot ass.
I'd like to begin this with the words of our good friend, Vietthai:
Now, why is this relevant? Well, because it ties into general lore about Honkai which is that the Imaginary Tree is equal, is born from, and literally grows through the Sea of Quanta. The same Imaginary Tree, which for all intents and purposes, was upgraded to Low 1-A in the previous CRT.
The reason then, why this is particularly damming, is the issue that the Sea of Quanta is 11-dimensional:
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And I don't believe I am required to explain why something Low 1-A being not only equal to, but also born from an 11D thing, is an immediate disqualifier.
Now, I can already hear someone saying:
Not that, mind you, the scans already present in the cosmology page didn't functionally say the same thing; they just conflated the terms for different things out of nowhere.
And another thing I might hear is in relation to Imaginary and Real Space:
For the uninitiated, this conversation is happening within Path Space, aka Imaginary Space. And in this same Path Space, Cyrene clearly stating "Cosmos's real Space-Time", implies that the "Cosmos", or the Imaginary Tree, contains both Imaginary and Real Space. Which is to say, that the Imaginary Tree itself, as the "composite whole", is Low 1-A--subsuming both Real and Imaginary Space.
Other proof for it can be stuff like this (singularity here referring to main proponents of the Low 1-A Imaginary Space scale), or for other stuff like this:
So what's the conclusion? Well, the Imaginary Tree should go down from Low 1-A, to the same tier which Sea of Quanta resides in.
Which, speaking off... hehe.
Now, if you've read them, then you should hopefully be clear on the mechanics behind how the Bubble Worlds are formed; in that, the various membranes of the Sea of Quanta, by having a distance small enough so that the very membranes (i.e dimensions) that make them up, overlap within each other, creating a 4-dimensional space.
Which is to say: the spatial dimensions of the Sea of Quanta are compactified, or in other words, too small to qualify for tiering.
And if you'll notice in the cosmology blog, you'll realize that this description is consistent every time it is mentioned (I mean, "tied like a knot"? Come on.) Heck, the verse literally affirms, not just M-Theory, but particularly the most popular version of it: string theory. Which is compactified.
In response to this fact, I had been mentioned by the verse-supporters this. In that, the dimensions, even if compacted, would qualify for size since they are infinite.
Well, three problems:
So then, what does this leave us? Well, this. In here, although there is little to see--sort of clarifies an R>F relationship between at least 1 single higher dimension, which might be applicable for +1D.
Votes:
@Planck69 (Agree; Low 1-C)
@Vietthai96 (Agree; Low 1-C)
@Qawsedf234 (Agree; Low 1-C)
@Reiner04 (Agree; Low 1-C)
Unfortunately for them though, this gave me time to ruminate on further scaling. Particularly regarding the context of certain concepts within the verse, as I, self-admittedly, am a total Hi3 noob.
And as a result of this, I’ve come to the conclusion that this verse... is hot ass.
Exhibit A
{Sea of Quanta}
{Sea of Quanta}
I'd like to begin this with the words of our good friend, Vietthai:
Now, why is this relevant? Well, because it ties into general lore about Honkai which is that the Imaginary Tree is equal, is born from, and literally grows through the Sea of Quanta. The same Imaginary Tree, which for all intents and purposes, was upgraded to Low 1-A in the previous CRT.
The reason then, why this is particularly damming, is the issue that the Sea of Quanta is 11-dimensional:
And I don't believe I am required to explain why something Low 1-A being not only equal to, but also born from an 11D thing, is an immediate disqualifier.
Now, I can already hear someone saying:
- But Nova, that scan says "Ether Bathtub", not "Sea of Quanta."
Not that, mind you, the scans already present in the cosmology page didn't functionally say the same thing; they just conflated the terms for different things out of nowhere.
And another thing I might hear is in relation to Imaginary and Real Space:
- Well, the cosmos is called the Imaginary Tree, so it must mean that the Tree only extends to the physical universe, and not Imaginary Space (what is Low 1-A here.)
For the uninitiated, this conversation is happening within Path Space, aka Imaginary Space. And in this same Path Space, Cyrene clearly stating "Cosmos's real Space-Time", implies that the "Cosmos", or the Imaginary Tree, contains both Imaginary and Real Space. Which is to say, that the Imaginary Tree itself, as the "composite whole", is Low 1-A--subsuming both Real and Imaginary Space.
Other proof for it can be stuff like this (singularity here referring to main proponents of the Low 1-A Imaginary Space scale), or for other stuff like this:
Which clearly state the source of Imaginary Energy is the Trunk. A role, which is the equivalent of Imaginary Space.
So what's the conclusion? Well, the Imaginary Tree should go down from Low 1-A, to the same tier which Sea of Quanta resides in.
Which, speaking off... hehe.
Exhibit B
{Sea of Quanta 2.0: Compactification}
I will present merely these 3 scans:{Sea of Quanta 2.0: Compactification}
Now, if you've read them, then you should hopefully be clear on the mechanics behind how the Bubble Worlds are formed; in that, the various membranes of the Sea of Quanta, by having a distance small enough so that the very membranes (i.e dimensions) that make them up, overlap within each other, creating a 4-dimensional space.
Which is to say: the spatial dimensions of the Sea of Quanta are compactified, or in other words, too small to qualify for tiering.
And if you'll notice in the cosmology blog, you'll realize that this description is consistent every time it is mentioned (I mean, "tied like a knot"? Come on.) Heck, the verse literally affirms, not just M-Theory, but particularly the most popular version of it: string theory. Which is compactified.
In response to this fact, I had been mentioned by the verse-supporters this. In that, the dimensions, even if compacted, would qualify for size since they are infinite.
Well, three problems:
- The scans refer to the number of dimensions, not their size.
- This would contradict the earlier statements about SoQ.
- Considering that the verse isn't High 1-B right now, I can accurately assume that there's a very good reason why these scans are untrustworthy. (Which I can expect is to do with the usage of the verb "can be")
So then, what does this leave us? Well, this. In here, although there is little to see--sort of clarifies an R>F relationship between at least 1 single higher dimension, which might be applicable for +1D.
Conclusion
So with all that's been said, I propose that the entire verse is downgraded from already-shaky Possibly Low 1-A down to the measly tier of 2-C (for containing SoQ and IT as definitive and distinct universes), or depending on how we treat the last Welt scan, even Low 1-C. (Should be mentioned, that if Tier 2 is to be the majority-decided conclusion here, the exact number of universes can be argued and debated [preferably in a second thread]. I just gave the bare-minimum tier possible for the verse.]
Votes:
@Planck69 (Agree; Low 1-C)
@Vietthai96 (Agree; Low 1-C)
@Qawsedf234 (Agree; Low 1-C)
@Reiner04 (Agree; Low 1-C)
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