High School DxD Discussion Thread 5: Shin and Slashdog Included

[Trihexa102]

i wouldnt be surprised if the remaining 6 luminaries of rahu are shiva class or above

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

And here I thought that Ishibumi would gives us something about her underling.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

i wouldnt be surprised if the remaining 6 luminaries of rahu are shiva class or above

They are chief god class. On level of Odin, Zeus, Apollo and so.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://imgur.com/a/X0hjoeZ

Shin Vol 4 illustrations.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

And here I thought that Ishibumi would gives us something about her underling.

To be fair, we did get some speculation material from the FxF girl who might be a blood relative of Seraselbes as they share the same name.

ExE conquered the FxF world, so my current guess is that Seraselbes was forced to join them so they wouldn't destroy her original world completely, or they could have just captured her like they want to do with DxD dragons. Then maybe they experimented on her and turned her into a cyborg.

 

[Demonicjester01]

Huh, that's interesting. Quite different from what I thought.

My hypothesis was that perhaps, much how Regalzerva is the one invading DxD to conquer it, Seraselbes was the one to invade and conquer FxF while Melvazoa remains in ExE to combat Resetoras. Thus, inhabitants of FxF having Seraselbes' name would be sort of like a mark of her faction's victory and dominion over them, with the Mystery Girl representing danger for DxD perhaps due to escaping from ExE as a servant priestess in an act of rebellion.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

That also makes sense, I like that idea.

ExE universe is seriously overpowered.

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

We are now approaching higher level of Nasuverse Powers. I dont know if thats correct or not but we are getting there already when the real thing started.

 

[Ionliosite]

We are now approaching higher level of Nasuverse Powers.

Laughs in BB (Fate/Extra CCC)

 

[Demonicjester01]

Nasuverse in this wiki is currently like 2-A. Not something I agree with as the complete Nasuverse nerd I am, but it is the case that DxD is still faaaar away from that.

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

Are there any mention of Mitsuya in Shin DxD V4?

And what is the innovate clear stuff about? Post it to me when one of you are done reading it.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Are there any mention of Mitsuya in Shin DxD V4?
And what is the innovate clear stuff about? Post it to me when one of you are done reading it.

Rather short chapter consist of 7 sentences. My translation.

"Dark...No, Mitsuya-kun. Ajuka Beelzeboob directly contact with me."

"I see. Everything happend with this world exceeded all expectations, after all. Thus, from here now we would step into domain of extinction, if we do not gather all supernatural creatures and Longinus.

"But how? Do you think our opponent from those who is not honest?"

"Yeah. Even if I use "Telos Karma", I cannot defeat him. Even if we unite with them the only thing that left to me...us is somehow to survive."

And then, Issei Hyoudo and others would be forced to come in contact completely unknown things from "Evie Etoulde" (written as ExE) and "Fadir Faedra" (written as FxF).

From this begins a story about crumble of "DxD" - anti-terrorist team boasted for their invincibility.

By the way. Evie means - Machine Life-forms. Etoulde - High-ranking Spirit God. In chapter END when UL talkting when they Pronounce "Etoulde" in kanji it was written as "High-ranking Spirit God" and when they talk "Evies" in kanji it was written as Machine Life-from.

So all worlds named after their strongest creature. Draconik Deus it's name Regalzeva gave "DxD" Universe cause strongest creature is Dragons and after them - Gods.

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

So that was for the Innovate Clear chapter? Thank you very much!

And damn, next volume will start the eventual downfall of DxD based on whats been presented here. I hope that Ishibumi have not forgotten Malebranche yet, if they are the cause for DxD crumble then I wont be surprise either.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Next volume is about Ravel and Diehauser game accroding to Afterword

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

I cant wait to see Diehauser in action! But I am sad that we didnt get illustration for Verrine.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Also Lavinia reveal her Balance Breaker in end of Life.3 where DxD fought Hades army 40 000 of artificial Devils and Grim Reapers.

Her bxb has Italian name: Assoluto Argento Mondo that translated as Absolute Silver World. Kanji was "Silver World that considered to be Eternal". Its ability create massive blizzard that could cover large territory up to small country and has same radius as Dulio and Georg BxB's. That blizzard freeze all enemy in its range turning it into ice statues. But it discern comrades and enemy. She easily freeze most of Hades army that Ise and Vali with their DxD modes haven't erased.

Vali also reveal "Albion Manefistation". But he didn't need cooldown as Ise and he just use chant "Be ressurected! Vanishing Dragon that dwell inside of me!". Also some mention that Ise need cooldown because his form is Pseudo.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Nice, I'm still expecting an Abyss Side BxB from her.

Things are looking worse for Diehauser now that True DxD is back, since the power of infinity could negate Worthless.

And damn, next volume will start the eventual downfall of DxD based on whats been presented here. I hope that Ishibumi have not forgotten Malebranche yet, if they are the cause for DxD crumble then I wont be surprise either.

It should be the ULs.

But I'm wondering if the relevant people would be willing to release them in the current state of chaos.

 

[Ionliosite]

Next volume is about Ravel and Diehauser game accroding to Afterword

Nice, can't wait to see it.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I saw that Ishibumi also confirmed Vali vs Tobio for a DX volume (maybe he can even add Cao Cao vs Surtr).

But there's still Slash Dog to consider, and Ishibumi tweeted some time ago that he'd like to write for Natsume and another girl this year if he has the strength.

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

When will Slash Dog Volume 4 be out again?

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Also was few mentions of AxA. It was stated that with its power Ise could easily wipe out both Hades and Angra-Mainyuu but its scary to use cause he has power to break an entire planet and whole England could be scattered away. But under curse state Ise cannot properly use it.

Also there is mention of Eros Engine. Looks like Eros by knowing Ise current state decline offer as "Man who no aknowledge Breast, Thigh and Ass - three pillar, is not man at all".

 

[Ionliosite]

So we have another planet busting statement for AxA? 5-B seems more likely every second.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Also there is mention of Eros Engine. Looks like Eros by knowing Ise current state decline offer as "Man who no aknowledge Breast, Thigh and Ass - three pillar, is not man at all".

xD! I can't wait for them to meet.

Last time I checked his blog, Ishibumi included other Olympus gods like Athena, Demeter, Hermes etc so I hope they will also appear.

@Shining

It hasn't been confirmed yet.

 

[Jesterofgames]

You know I have to wonder... shouldn't Issei get like... a "Possibly country level." Or "country level" via boosts? Since the minimum of a 2 times multiplier seems consistant? (Idk I can miss a lot.)

and Issei I think? scales to Vali's 5 Terraton feat which would be 10 terratons via a single boost.

like I'm not suggesting anything crazy like stacking boosts. Just looking at a single boost.

 

[Vampire_Vamp]

Firephoenixearl wrote:

Well i did msg BFF once about Issei's boost in the match against vali (I counted 48 boosts), but IIRC running the math we would be looking at Moon Level base Issei (as in Incomplete balance breaker Issei). So here you have the answer to your question of "why do we do not count Boosts like that", because Heavenly Dragon Class people would be snaping at europe not need time to do it.

And remember that's "base Issei". I mean if we scale Pseudo DxD from that and say PDxD can boost the same number of times the numbers go to High 4-C. And that's only 2 scalings. Imagine if every form did this (3-B possibly or Multi Galaxy Level DxD).

 

[Vampire_Vamp]

Well i did msg BFF once about Issei's boost in the match against vali (I counted 48 boosts), but IIRC running the math we would be looking at Moon Level base Issei (as in Incomplete balance breaker Issei). So here you have the answer to your question of "why do we do not count Boosts like that", because Heavenly Dragon Class people would be snaping at europe not need time to do it.

And remember that's "base Issei". I mean if we scale Pseudo DxD from that and say PDxD can boost the same number of times the numbers go to High 4-C. And that's only 2 scalings. Imagine if every form did this (3-B possibly or Multi Galaxy Level DxD).

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

You know I have to wonder... shouldn't Issei get like... a "Possibly country level." Or "country level" via boosts? Since the minimum of a 2 times multiplier seems consistant? (Idk I can miss a lot.)

and Issei I think? scales to Vali's 5 Terraton feat which would be 10 terratons via a single boost.

like I'm not suggesting anything crazy like stacking boosts. Just looking at a single boost.

It might be consistent, but it would seem like cherry picking if we choose to use only one Boost and people would make threads to remove that after noticing it. It's either we use it or we don't. And since the infamous 4-B DxD is from Boost stacking, we won't be able to use it for stats.

AxA would be 6-B at least anyway.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Just say anything beyond one boost would be lead to inconsisrant in verse stats. So all boosts beyond the first one are just treated as higher 6-b's.

just my 2 cents though. And I admitedly may just be a bit bias towards Highschool DXD.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Well, you could make a small thread for it if you feel that way.

I still disagree with it though.

 

[Ionliosite]

Shouldn't Kiba be 6-C with Gram because of scaling to Sonneillon, who is Maou class?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yes, but he needs a page first. I'll try to do that by the weekend.

Also, should we still scale Gressil and Sonneillon above Maou-class? I know they're Maou-class with the limiters, but they're strangely never described as being above Maou-class in Volume 3.

I think the closest was Tobio saying Gressil was "at least Maou-class".

 

[Demonicjester01]

No idea. It is pretty weird that Ishibumi just called them Maou-class during Volume 3, but if they were already Maou-class with their limiters on, they should be at least high-tier Maou-class when they're off, possibly still keeping their "above Maou class" thing. There's also how even in Volume 24 Ishibumi called them "above Maou-class" and simply "Maou-class" in two different instances. The 6-C tier would be the same regardless if we at least consider them as Grayfia-tiers or so. I don't know, just my two cents.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Yes, but he needs a page first. I'll try to do that by the weekend.
Also, should we still scale Gressil and Sonneillon above Maou-class? I know they're Maou-class with the limiters, but they're strangely never described as being above Maou-class in Volume 3.

I think the closest was Tobio saying Gressil was "at least Maou-class".

It's not like Balberith would be stronger than them anyway lol

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Nerfed Balberith? I don't know the specifics yet, but judging by the illustration alone, he damaged BtB Sairaorg who is God-class so he should be above them in raw power even if he's fighting like Oppai Dragon.

Then again, he didn't beat Diehauser and co. Anyhow, Ishibumi still has plans for him so I'm sure he'll fulfill his Dragon God-class potential, especially with the current crisis.

Edit: I guess we should just scale Gressil and Sonneillon to Maou-class to keep it safe.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Like what is in place in this page, I'm planning to gradually add citations and references for feats, statements and abilities to the pages at some point after our forum migration.

Just wondering if anyone has reservations against that.

 

[Ionliosite]

Just wondering if anyone has reservations against that.

Well, the only thing is that we wouldn't be able to actually link the chapters, because copyright and that stuff, so we could do like Shinji Ikari or MM Robots do.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Nerfed Balberith? I don't know the specifics yet, but judging by the illustration alone, he damaged BtB Sairaorg who is God-class so he should be above them in raw power even if he's fighting like Oppai Dragon.

Sairaog himself only "surpass Satan-class" by Shin 4. Balberith who above HD by feats shouldn't be damaged even with changed fightning style. And should oneshot Sairaog.

Verrine feat herself far better than Balberith and looks even stronger.

 

[Demonicjester01]

@Vergil BtB Sairaorg could also, easily at that, knock away Shooting Star's bullets which were explicitly stated to be equal to a God's. I think you're underestimating what Sairaorg's "surpasses Maou-class" means, let alone without accounting for the fact that Sairaorg is a specialist so his hand-to-hand is much stronger than that of the average fighter on his class, since its extent makes up for his lack of variety and scope. And Balberith fought that specialty without even relying on his own, along with a bad style (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I read some spoilers that said he didn't even use demonic power).

The result I still agree is quite iffy, but it's a much more nuanced situation than what you suggest.

@Burning It's likely that they would have eventually beaten Diehauser's peerage in a normal battle, they just failed to do so before Zeno was taken out. Remember none of the artificial Devils were injured at the end.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

I know he is god class by feats but still:

God class < Chief Gods < Fenrir/Typhon tier < Heavenly Dragon class < Indra (Hades and Tartarus roughly in this tier too) < Balberith by feats (trash Mahabali who give Indra good fight while both of them could spam Infinity Blaster class attacks)

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Well, the only thing is that we wouldn't be able to actually link the chapters, because copyright and that stuff, so we could do like Shinji Ikari or MM Robots do.

So we won't be allowed to post excerpts from the novel into pastebin like the Alexandria page? That's what I was thinking of doing.

Balberith who above HD by feats shouldn't be damaged even with changed fightning style. And should oneshot Sairaorg.

I would agree with that, but this is the reason Ishibumi gave in-verse so we can't really argue with that, especially as we've already seen Balberith casually scaring HD-class people and beating Mahabali without any damage, even seeing it as "not much". So it's not like he only has a statement of Dragon God potential, he also has a feat of damaging a top ten opponent with no stress and intimidating other top ten level fighters with his aura.

The Oppai Dragon nerf is weird but we have to take it like that; given this, it's not too strange if Verrine had better showings in Volume 4. I don't think anyone would seriously argue that Verrine is stronger than a Balberith who's seriously out for blood.