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Inconsistent mary sue whos weak to little green rocks and wears his underwear on top of his pants, issei gets some kryptonite, boosts and transfers the power to the kryptonite and slits sups throat, and adds lois to his harem gg.
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No, Hades never confirm he can be defeated that easy, Sirzech and Hades never fought, no way to know that Sirzech is stronger, Tartarus can hold his own again AxA strongest blast which itself is Planet-tier; according to your claim Sirzech is WAY STRONGER than Tartarus, that mean Sirezch himself way above Planet-tier, which mean is currently way above everyone in DxD (exclude the guys come from other world who possibly bitchslap Great Red), why the hell he don't one shot 666 to oblivion already, doesn't need Isolated Bounded Field at all if he is that strong.Demonicjester01 said:He himself said he could destroy Hades, Hades confirmed it, and Azazel said he could do it easily.
How is AxA being way above DxD relevant? Sirzechs is not comparable to them, he's superior.
so just because Azazel said this and everyone must accept it with out anything to back-up, even Sirzech don't claim that he can stomp or one-shot Hades. Seriously stop wanking character with out solid evident, just because this is LN doesn't mean we can accept anything with a vague line, like is aid before, there are no feat involve them fighting each other, so we can't measure them, we don't know who stronger than who, stop claiming.Burning Full Fingers said:Still, the fact here is that Azazel said Sirzechs can easily defeat Hades in his true form, despite the same person saying Hades could beat base Sirzechs along with himself, Tobio and Dulio. I don't see what's so complicated about this.
Sirzechs also said he can beat Hades and we're later shown Hades "shuddering once again" when thinking about the "extraordinary beings known as Super Devils". Except we say Hades is now afraid of Verrine, this should be referring to his encounter with Sirzechs.
You'd have to use huge leaps in logic to say Sirzechs isn't on par with Hades at the very least. Nothing also contradicts Sirzechs being this strong because he has no anti-feats to suggest that.
Also, the only reason Tartarus survived the first couple of seconds against AxA is because of his Regenerationn. If he was human sized like Hades, he'd have been vaporised for sure.
Why would Ishibumi write ths if not to at least give a rough indication of how the powers of Hades and Sirzechs stand in relation to one another? Let alone accounting for what BFF said about how Hades shuddered "again" at Super Devils.Vietthai96 said:so just because Azazel said this and everyone must accept it with out anything to back-up,
We never said he would one shot (or at least I never said so). But Sirzechs did say he had the power to eliminate him, and Hades said it wasn't a joke.Vietthai96 said:even Sirzech don't claim that he can stomp or one-shot Hades
We also have no feats of DxD L Vali fighting the former Lucifer, yet due to statements, we know Vali is stronger. We have no feats of the current Maou fighting the former ones, yet we also know that the current ones are stronger. We have no feats of Juggernaut Drive users fighting any Gods, yet we know they can due to the statements. How come you don't call this into question, but you do with the Sirzechs statements? That's incredibly inconsistent and, again, indicates bias.Vietthai96 said:there are no feat involve them fighting each other, so we can't measure them, we don't know who stronger than who, stop claiming.
How does it "make no sense at all"? The only points you have brought up to say so are complete errors on Tartarus' feats (such as saying he matched full power AxA), and a thought that hasn't ever been stated in the novel (that Sirzechs was called HD-class by Ddraig).Vietthai96 said:and because you and that Demonicjester01 guys said at first that Sirzech is superior to Tartarus which make no sense at all, that why i want to debunk that opinio
Ishibumi being inconsistent is one thing, but distrusting statements of his that haven't been contradicted yet would just make the entire series impossible to scale. It's not just a matter of the Sirzechs's statement, as you're bringing it as far as feats (of which I'm still doubtful, because I still haven't seen Ishibumi portray people with a difference of a "hundred times" fighting equally).Vergil Lucifer said:Never say anything about Ishi as he don't understand how powerlevel works at all. He also made retconts just for sake: "I want to made fight between this and that and I don't care that first is hundred times stronger than second, I just made them looks equal just because I want so".
Which is still nothing more than a statement, statements which you mentioned just before to be completely arbitrary and reliable. How come the statements on Sirzechs are nonsense and arbitrary but this one is somehow trustworthy? Again, bias. All you did was specify what the statement said, but it is a statement to the end.Vergil Lucifer said:Lol what a lame point. We know that Vali much stronger due to Heavenly Dragon class far above Satan class.
Fair enough. That's correct on its own. But coupled with Azazel's own statement, the implications become very different.Vergil Lucifer said:That just mean that Sirzechs is strong enough to defeat Hades. It doesn't mean Sirzechs is above or far above.