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High godly regen and True godly regen should be removed

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High-Godly: The ability to regenerate even after the totality of your existence is erased, alongside the reality that you are present within that exists up to your own dimensional level.

True-Godly: The ability to regenerate from being erased on a level beyond the confines and concept of dimensions.

"Higher levels allow characters to regenerate from even more severe wounds, such as being blown to pieces, reduced to a single cell, vaporization, and even complete physical destruction and beyond."

Thing is, Regenerationn per se should cap out at mid godly:

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate even after being completely erased from existence, including mind, body, and soul.

The ability to recover after the dimension you exist in is erased is just the ability to exist in a dimensionless/spaceless/whateverless void + mid godly regen. The destruction of the surroundings shouldnt affect what the character can recover from.

Regenerationn should be based on the quality of the survived erasure. And once we reach the -godly realm physical destruction (even of space time) is more or less irrelevant.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
I think he is saying that regen caps out at mid-godly because the higher regen tiers have more to do with the setting as opposed to the character.
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Yes, this is my point.
 
Because it's a much larger scale of existence erasure. You no longer have a frame or setting to regenerate in like you typically do.
 
Sixo Bullets said:
Because it's a much larger scale of existence erasure. You no longer have a frame or setting to regenerate in like you typically do.
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Destroying more space-time continuums wont make someone capable of existing in a void + mid-godly regenerator suddenly stop regenerating.

Its not a qualitative difference. Its just quantity.
 
High-Godly Regenerationn apparently comes from the principle that, for someone to reform after being erased from existence, there must be some form of "existence" to which they can return, so in the circumstance where all of existence is reduced to nothingness, they wouldn't be able to return without some special form of Resurrection / Regenerationn.

Another explanation I've heard is that, regenerating from nothingness would be a phenomenon which stems from a "backup" mechanism rooted in reality itself, as opposed to an internal mechanism which is inherent to the entity being erased, as is the case with Low-Godly Regenerationn and below. So High-Godly regen would basically be reforming after these "backups" are destroyed and regular return from nothingness is made impossible.

I am neutral on the first justification for it, but I personally think the second one is excessively pedantic and honestly seems to be trying to apply an extremely specific concept which honestly seems to come out of nowhere as an umbrella standard to all of fiction.

so yea high-godly is sort of nebulous and true-godly should honestly be just returning from nonexistence erasure or smth, imo.
 
Anyway, to be more definitive, a normal Mid-Godly couldn't regenerate from the entirety of reality being erased up to their dimensional level. This is as they typically still have a reality to regenerate from and exist in, yet they would be put in a situation where the entirety of their dimension of erased and they can no longer regenerate to their usual scale.

High vs Low-Godly: They can no longer regenerate if their body is destroyed as their body is gone with High, they lack it in its entirety and it goes above their regen. Whereas Low-Godly can come back.

Low-Godly vs Mid-Godly: They can no longer regen as not only their body, but their mind and soul is destroyed. Their entire existence is god, their physical existent is irrelevant and they have nothing to regen from. Mid-Godly dudes can just come back from this.

Mid-Godly vs High-Godly: They can no longer regen as not only their existence, but their setting, frame, and plane of existence to regenerate from is gone in it's entirety. They now lack the ability to regenerate as this surpasses their scale and there is more than just their existence being erased, as the entirety of reality is gone too. You have nothing to regenerate from like you usually would with the lower levels. High-Godly allows you to regenerate from having nothing to regenerate from, including reality. This is simple.
 
"Mid-Godly vs High-Godly: They can no longer regen as not only their existence, but their setting, frame, and plane of existence to regenerate from is gone in it's entirety. They now lack the ability to regenerate as this surpasses their scale and there is more than just their existence being erased, as the entirety of reality is gone too. You have nothing to regenerate from like you usually would with the lower levels. High-Godly allows you to regenerate from having nothing to regenerate from, including reality. This is simple."

You dont understand my point or dont try to understand it.

Being able to regenerate after the reality you exist in has been destroyed is not a better regenerative feat than being destroyed in all levels of existence. Its the ability to exist in such spaceless void + Regenerationn.
 
No it's not. You are ignoring that they no longer have a reality to regenerate from. That was my entire point. Being able to exist in a spaceless void + mid godly implies they still have one to regen from with mid godly, which they don't.
 
Sixo Bullets said:
No it's not. You are ignoring that they no longer have a reality to regenerate from. That was my entire point. Being able to exist in a spaceless void + mid godly implies they still have one to regen from with mid godly, which they don't.
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You do realize that after multiversal erasure there is a void right? A nothingness. Nothing is something.
 
Sixo Bullets said:
"Nothing is something."

I apologize for this...but do you know what a contradiction is?
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And now I need to ask you how familiar you are with "Nothingness" and beings made of nothingness and nonexistent stuff.

Kriemhild Gretche
 
Sixo Bullets said:
And that makes them something how?
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And now I think you are trolling.

Characters are "made" of nothingness. Characters use "nothingness" to attack. There "are" Nonexistent multiverses and multiverses "made" of nothingness.

But the point in here is that Regenerationn per se caps at mid godly and thst the higher levels are dependant on the destruction of the setting, which shouldnt affect what the character can regen from since the character themselves are not destroyed beyond what "normal" erasure would do.
 
Do you know what the definition of nothingess is. At all. It is the exact opposite of something. Your entire premise is debunked due to you not understanding that and it being reliant on the setting is quite irrelevant if you fail to see the difference which I explained earlier and proceed to repeat yourself.
 
PaChi2 said:
And now I think you are trolling.
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If asking a question for something you don't understand considered trolling then I don't know how 99.8% of us aren't banned yet.

But I digress, I'm fairly neutral on this. I can see points for removing the two though.
 
Sixo Bullets said:
Do you know what the definition of nothingess is. At all. It is the exact opposite of something. Your entire premise is debunked due to you not understanding that and it being reliant on the setting is quite irrelevant if you fail to see the difference which I explained earlier and proceed to repeat yourself.
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This is fiction.
 
Okay...

So, if I understood correctly, you're trying to remove High and True Godly Regenerationn because they aren't really "regen" as everything about the character has already been destroyed, so having the reality in which he lives in destroyed as well wouldn't really matter.

I must admit it makes sense, but I'd wait for input. For now, it seems fine.
 
Saying "this is fiction" is irrelevant, and shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify your points. The basic definition of "nothingness" is always the same by default, regardless if you are working with real or fictional frameworks.
 
Ultima Reality said:
Saying "this is fiction" is lazy and irrelevant, and shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify your points. The basic definition of "nothingness" is always the same by default, regardless if you are working with real or fictional frameworks.
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I meant that fiction usually treats "nothingness" as a lousy term. I already gave examples of things "made" of nothingness, which shouldnt be logically possible if it was actual nothingness. Also my mood is terrible right now so I hope you can excuse me for that.
 
Also, please let's drop the whole nothingness discussion. You can take it to my wall if you want. But its not the point of this thread.
 
I meant that fiction usually treats "nothingness" as a lousy term. I already gave examples of things "made" of nothingness, which shouldnt be logically possible if it was actual nothingness

Yeah, but it's definition basically stays the same regardless of what fiction demonstrates; Nothingness in its most basic sense is still "the absence of something", which is most certainly relevant in this context for obvious reasons. But I understand if you want to drop it.

Also my mood is terrible right now so I hope you can excuse me for that.

it's all good
 
Yeah, I agree. There needing to be a reality to regenerate after your everything was erased is more of a personal restriction than an umbrella thing that can be applied to everything.

Anyone (or thing) capable of surviving outside of existence should be able to mid-godly after the multiverse is erased just as well as them being the only thing erased.
 
Well, back then the point I was trying to make was that even after absolute multiversal destruction there will be a nothingness "where" the character will regenerate. And having the ability to regenerate in such a setting shouldnt be a higher tiered Regenerationn because the character wasnt destroyed in a higher level than regular erasure.

Say, someone regenerates after conceptual erasure and survives in a nonexistent universe, but you can use sheer AP to kill it? Does that make sense to you?
 
The real cal howard said:
I'm against getting rid of High godly. Idgaf about True.
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I mean, I would like a reason for that.
 
I'm personally inclined to agree on the subject of High-Godly. I don't see why destroying unrelated things would necessarily require any better regen from the individual, so long as their regen isn't tied to the world or something. The erasure itself may be of higher quality and target more things, but that seems to be more a verse specific thing than something that one can generalize.

Idk about true yet.
 
I also agree on High-Godly. It's just Mid-Godly and surviving in a void. It's not any better as far as what the character themselves regens from.

Also neutral for True, basically just "lol 1-A"
 
I'm neutral on getting rid of high. Ultima's explanation about mid godly regen being because you have so kind of back up in reality, while logical, doesn't apply to all of fiction. Some mid-godly people can come back just cuz, nothing to do with a back up. At the same time I have always thought that you could achieve high godly simply with mid-godly and the ability to survive in a void.

True godly I agree with getting rid of because it is the only Regenerationn that comes specifically from tier, and I don't think it makes sense to start ranking Regenerationn by AP. Sure some 1-A's are weird things like the ultimate gods who don't exactly have heads or limbs for us to give them mid or low mid or something, but there are things like that who are just 3D too. Look at basically any blob monster that doesn't have some kind of core - they don't have head or limbs but we can still give them something like low-high or mid-high if they can pull themselves back together after being blown up.

And then there are 1-A beings who are human form and can actually have the Regenerationn system applied to them. People like Lucifer morningstar or Hadou Gods (yeah I know they are living universes that expand over everything, but they still look human from the outside even if they do have a universe on the inside). Characters that can have regen ranked by whether they can regen an arm being blown off of a head or being blown to bits or being erased. Being beyond dimensions shouldn't change that.

TLDR; high godly I'm neutral on, true godly should be removed because it's just mid-godly but for 1-As.
 
I mean wouldn't someone who resists Nonexistence/Void Manip and has Mid-Godly automatically have High-Godly aswell? It seems very specific to give Regenerationn on
 
Should this be moved to the CRT board or something?

Just curious.
 
probably
 
could you please move it? Im kinda in my depowered state now, I lost all of my power.
 
well I ain't staff but I suppose I can channel your past power to help you out

I gotchu homie
 
I also agree that Mid-Godly and High-Godly are essentially the same, if erased you or you along with the universe kinda irrelevant. Someone times one simply do not regen within the void but it teleport to other place.
 
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