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I brought this up years ago, was fine with result, here it is again, potential Mirio upgrade or potential downgrade for Crust (maybe others). https://vsbattles.com/threads/nighteye-was-right.110908/
Also Moonfish possible upgrade, Nomu scaling is odd and inconsistent at times but here's what I'm bringing to the table.
I had recently brought up Mirio scaling to High-End's on the basis of sending them flying in his return, it was however deemed no worthy as the High-Ends were in the air. It was later brought to my attention in his second interaction with a high-end that the difference in their destructive showing on panel was cause to assume he is a none-factor to them. Also statements he made around it as supporting. The scaling is as follows of course:
higher with Permeation (Managed to push back the Near High-Ends while in the air, but stated he is not strong enough to hurt them, even by hitting them in the eyes)
Whilst I do understand the "higher" denotations as being representative of an inability to quantify the feat, I'm presenting another feat with the anime as a proper illustration of what happened, and being that the anime has been used as elaboration to the manga previously I don't see why it wouldn't hold weight here. Essentially in his later fight with another High-End Mirio is able to overpower him physically with a strike and send him barreling through the ground causing massive destruction with the High-End even needing to shake off the hit, though there isn't any explicit physical damage (cut, bruise, whatever). I feel as though on that basis regardless there should be some sort of conversation in regards to an upgrade since Crust's scaling is based on holding them off (somewhat matching their physicality), Nejire has a note of pinning one down (overwhelming their physicality) and Ryukyu has one because she could bite into one and dig her claws into it (overwhelming their physicality). And if you believe that the piercing of the Nomu by Ryukyu and maybe crust are the cause for the AP then I also bring up the fact of Mirio's punch on an earlier High-End which actually does seem to do damage in the anime. He doesn't defeat the Nomu there tho, which I'll touch on in a bit. I also think Burnin's "fought off a high-end" note also falls into the possible supporting Mirio case.
Now onto "Stated he is not strong enough to hurt them" thing. Idk if you guys are using a translation or original japanese wording that I'm not aware of, but where is anything Mirio said implying he cannot hurt them? He states that he cannot take them out in one hit, which is like, WHO CAN? Then he punches one in the eye which gets a reaction even if its not visible "damage", then he clearly states that their toughness is off the charts (I interpreted this as either durability or endurance but the anime changes it to tenacity in the sub so I believe endurance would be the proper interpretation). He also no wonder the heroes are having issues and in the anime states that "these aren't specs for a common soldier" which we know he's beyond the level of a normal hero even as far back as Overhaul arc. NOTE: If the video I sent doesn't work or forces you to download it, the episode in question is episode 12 of season 6.
So yeah that's my thing on Mirio, as for Moonfish its stated in his speed section:
Speed: Hypersonic reactions and combat speed (Can keep up both Dynamight and Shoto), Hypersonic with Blade-Tooth (Dynamight and Shoto were barely able to keep up with his attacks. Can hit Gang Orca)
Acknowledging his ability to hit Gang Orca who scales to High-End's so it should be Rel+, and he even visibly damages him so his AP should be Large Island+. Yes, its stupid that he could've possibly gotten to that level while sitting in prison without access to his quirk, but that is just what happen unless you guys have a proper explanation as to how it could've happened.
Also Moonfish possible upgrade, Nomu scaling is odd and inconsistent at times but here's what I'm bringing to the table.
I had recently brought up Mirio scaling to High-End's on the basis of sending them flying in his return, it was however deemed no worthy as the High-Ends were in the air. It was later brought to my attention in his second interaction with a high-end that the difference in their destructive showing on panel was cause to assume he is a none-factor to them. Also statements he made around it as supporting. The scaling is as follows of course:
higher with Permeation (Managed to push back the Near High-Ends while in the air, but stated he is not strong enough to hurt them, even by hitting them in the eyes)
Whilst I do understand the "higher" denotations as being representative of an inability to quantify the feat, I'm presenting another feat with the anime as a proper illustration of what happened, and being that the anime has been used as elaboration to the manga previously I don't see why it wouldn't hold weight here. Essentially in his later fight with another High-End Mirio is able to overpower him physically with a strike and send him barreling through the ground causing massive destruction with the High-End even needing to shake off the hit, though there isn't any explicit physical damage (cut, bruise, whatever). I feel as though on that basis regardless there should be some sort of conversation in regards to an upgrade since Crust's scaling is based on holding them off (somewhat matching their physicality), Nejire has a note of pinning one down (overwhelming their physicality) and Ryukyu has one because she could bite into one and dig her claws into it (overwhelming their physicality). And if you believe that the piercing of the Nomu by Ryukyu and maybe crust are the cause for the AP then I also bring up the fact of Mirio's punch on an earlier High-End which actually does seem to do damage in the anime. He doesn't defeat the Nomu there tho, which I'll touch on in a bit. I also think Burnin's "fought off a high-end" note also falls into the possible supporting Mirio case.
Now onto "Stated he is not strong enough to hurt them" thing. Idk if you guys are using a translation or original japanese wording that I'm not aware of, but where is anything Mirio said implying he cannot hurt them? He states that he cannot take them out in one hit, which is like, WHO CAN? Then he punches one in the eye which gets a reaction even if its not visible "damage", then he clearly states that their toughness is off the charts (I interpreted this as either durability or endurance but the anime changes it to tenacity in the sub so I believe endurance would be the proper interpretation). He also no wonder the heroes are having issues and in the anime states that "these aren't specs for a common soldier" which we know he's beyond the level of a normal hero even as far back as Overhaul arc. NOTE: If the video I sent doesn't work or forces you to download it, the episode in question is episode 12 of season 6.
So yeah that's my thing on Mirio, as for Moonfish its stated in his speed section:
Speed: Hypersonic reactions and combat speed (Can keep up both Dynamight and Shoto), Hypersonic with Blade-Tooth (Dynamight and Shoto were barely able to keep up with his attacks. Can hit Gang Orca)
Acknowledging his ability to hit Gang Orca who scales to High-End's so it should be Rel+, and he even visibly damages him so his AP should be Large Island+. Yes, its stupid that he could've possibly gotten to that level while sitting in prison without access to his quirk, but that is just what happen unless you guys have a proper explanation as to how it could've happened.
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