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The World Over Heaven is infinite because it scaled to GER, but GER isn’t infinite anymore, and therefore, TWOH shouldnt either
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Heaven Ascension DIO Speed CRT
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GER is infinite via RTZ, and you could argue that this means TWOH is Infinite because it used its ability before RTZ when off
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Just make him MFTL and call it a day.
I have more important things to attend to atm, though, there isn't a whole lot to debate here to begin with, he crosscountered GER, not RTZ. He's still physically extraordinary fast though among Stands, given GER is >>>>> King Crimson. Could probably add an "At least".
Whoever wants to tweak the profile, add the missing Dio powers and all that to it while you're at it.
I have more important things to attend to atm, though, there isn't a whole lot to debate here to begin with, he crosscountered GER, not RTZ. He's still physically extraordinary fast though among Stands, given GER is >>>>> King Crimson. Could probably add an "At least".
Whoever wants to tweak the profile, add the missing Dio powers and all that to it while you're at it.
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Does the standards of the wiki get us there get us there this fast? Last time I checked a number of staff didn't bother to do anything about this while one regular user claimed Infinite speed TWOH was legit and stuff. So clearly, there could be an incoming discussion to be had here.
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What? What's there to discuss?
TWOH crosscountered GER.
That's the feat, but GER isn't Infinite in speed anymore, just MFTL. So, the feat is now a MFTL feat and not Infinite, ergo, TWOH is MFTL, not Infinite. There's not exactly a discussion but rather just updating what was already changed.
This is straightforward is it not? Or are you trying to say TWOH is infinite in speed and that's why the discussion should be had? If you want I can try and contact Strym to help you out on that front.
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I'm not, TWOH clearly doesn't have Infinite speed. I just pointed out a logical conclusion that can be made from the other thread with this topic; everyone was ok with it and how the profile was after it, thereby they agree to it, or there was a certain lack of attention on the matter and this led to TWOH having Infinite speed, thereby they're wrong, they having left the thread as it was doesn't matter and none of them is going to pop up to defend what they did.
For me, the edit to downgrade it can be made now.
For me, the edit to downgrade it can be made now.
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Wasn't it only agreed upon because GER at the time was infinite and thus, TWOH having matched it in speed was basic straightforward scaling? It made sense at the time but it doesnt now. This is less of a revision as it is a basic update.
So we just slapping GER's rating onto TWOH for matching him? If that's the case, unless anyone disagrees, you can do it in a few hours if nobody speaks up by then or I can if you're not free then.
So we just slapping GER's rating onto TWOH for matching him? If that's the case, unless anyone disagrees, you can do it in a few hours if nobody speaks up by then or I can if you're not free then.
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I pointed out how TWOH shouldn't scale back then and I got ignored, I believe I told others in and outside the thread that I was being ignored too.
It's kinda weird, Jotaro with SP could tag Heaven DIO before getting its OH powers and Giorno could run at the same speed as GER. Idk what to make of that extent of the matter.
It's kinda weird, Jotaro with SP could tag Heaven DIO before getting its OH powers and Giorno could run at the same speed as GER. Idk what to make of that extent of the matter.
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I'm pretty sure that's more along the lines of GER running with Giorno, then it is Giorno running with GER. As in, pretty sure that's just GER floating alongside his master as Giorno runs up to Dio before overtaking Giorno then it cutting to the crosscounter. Things like that aren't exactly uncommon in JoJo (Though it mostly happens due to the manifestation range issues and the user needing to cover ground so the Stand can attack without leaving the range).
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Eh, I'd go on a limb and say Dio literally didn't give enough of a shit to dodge of act there.
Act 4 and GER were the threats and he reacted against those but SP punching him in the head wasn't exactly an issue so he didn't bother (it's not like he didn't see it coming, given Jotaro yells Star Platinum and starts running at him in the same vain Giorno did). Especially because Dio immediately after chuckles at him (or all three, either way) and calls them weak (Then proceeds to put all three on their ass before they can do anything about it).
Either way, TWOH>The other Stands in physical speed.
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He just reacted to GER (which isnt Infinite speed, only RTZ) and GER just wasnt able to RTZ HA Dio
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Ger still used RtZ before than HA Dio using Reallity Overwrite, and HA Dio just overwrited.
that's at least Attack Speed and Reactions. maybe more Attack Speed
or just Infinite Speed with RO
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GER wasnt able to RTZ HA Dio, Giorno stated it, its not like DIO was faster than RTZ, is just becayse Giorno couldnt RTZ him
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Giorno stated that he couldn't do nothing against HA Dio, because HA Dio Nullify it. Also this just prove my points of RO being faster, or at least dosen't debunks it.
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HA Dio being able to nulify his powers is a proof that he didnt reacted to RTZ itself, since he just resisted it
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bruh, he power nulled giorno, he dosen't resisted to it. you can literally see him doing it, also since HA Dio don't have immunity to it. make sense the fact he have infinite speed, since Power Null isn't a passive, and the effects come after RTZ.HA Dio being able to nulify his powers is a proof that he didnt reacted to RTZ itself, since he just resisted it
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If his power null isnt passive it does makes sense
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indeed, power null isn't a passive, as all HA Dio abilities, he need be actived.
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I mean he said the words but the RTZ Effect never happened
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because he powernulled it...
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Correction, he removed the fact of GER evening having RTZ in the first place.
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he just nullified the effect, you can see it.
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You can clearly see effects around TWOH and GER's fists, meaning that RtZ was clearly working until DIO power-nulled it.
We wouldn't see these effects if TWOH nulled GER from using RtZ in the 1st place, but just DIO MUDA-ing GER.
We wouldn't see these effects if TWOH nulled GER from using RtZ in the 1st place, but just DIO MUDA-ing GER.
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so, you agree with infinite speed reaction and attack speed?
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Ofc lol
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Also on that board too, his rating stays, but needs to be specified which speed on the profile
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Stands speed ratings are wrote like that tbh, it would be just an huge af clusterfuck of ratings which are even unnecessary.
Tho It should be:
At least Hypersonic+ with at least Massively FTL reactions. Infinite with The World Over Heaven (Easly countered GER's Return to Zero)
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Infinite attack speed and reactions
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Link me another stand user with his stand having "X Attack Speed and Reactions".
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RtZ is reaction and attack speed
Can you not ignore everything that we write?
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Is an ability of its own lol
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even if you dont argue him reacting to rtz directly he was still able to specifically react to ger, which is an infinite speed feat, so no theres no need to remove infinite speed whatso ever
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i asked to Chariot, and rtz is infinite with activation, so attack speed and reactions
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But is not listed like that in the profile, Infinite with The World Over Heaven is more than enough.
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