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Yeah I don’t even see the immeausrbale stuff on the blog and only MFTL+ so I can tell
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Hearts vs Shadow
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Oh, the blog's just for base stuff. We were working on adding Super stuff
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Why would he be able to?
That shows 4D abstract NPI, has it shown 4D NPI for any other?
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if it's 4-D, it's 4-D, only difference is size and potency
and something tells me you're implying some bull
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Hearts is his gravity, EE, Hearts reading and his passives:
And bigger AP advantage too, using God meteors.
Shadow have the possibility to one-shot with his attack and speed amp of 54x
He also have wisps, but they can get energy drained to zero, or not, we kinda discussing this.
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Do they have an AP advantage? I'd like to hear a scaling chain for AP if possible. IIRC, Shadow scales even further above the baseline of his AP than he does the baseline of Immeasurable speed
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HUH?, Where? I only manage to get to 193 billion time Immeasurable for HYPER SONIC
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You'd have to account for the CRT Omega made that got accepted today. It adds to the scaling chain. Take Classic Sonic's speed in Generations (Which is like 7x FTL), and divide where Frontiers Sonic scales without boost and divide.
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Okay
What canon multipliers possibly exist in sonic that justifies Hyper Sonic being 193 billion times above baseline immeasurable speed?
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I explained it in previous comments
Why do people seem so surprised that a verse about a speedster has good speed scaling
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I didn’t see your previous comment lolI explained it in previous comments
Why do people seem so surprised that a verse about a speedster has good speed scaling
It’s literally buried over 7 pages worth of comments
Cut me some slack
Just pin your comment here
Because 193 billion is a big number lol
And I’m curious as to what canon given multipliers we’re used and accepted to grind and speed scale that high
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Trust me
If I was supposed to create a comprehensive scaling chain
The number above baseline would shock you
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It didn't take too long to grind tbh. In a verse about speedsters, getting speed high is pretty simple. If it helps, Spin Dash, Boost, Drop Dash, and Super-Peel Out are all accepted as a 54x increase to speed. It's mentioned in the scaling blog on Sonic's verse page. The rest of the multiplier comes from Sonic jumping tiers in Base form, and any growth base Sonic experiences, Super Sonic experiences as confirmed in Frontiers (Though it was obvious in games prior too). Sonic went from single digit FTL to I believe around sextillions of times FTL now by Frontiers (when account for the new CRT accepted today). Meaning Super Sonic has also gotten around that many times faster since then. Then in between that timeframe, there's also scaling for Base Sonic, like catching up to Infinite who was previously scaled to Sonic's boost making him 54x faster, and by the end of the game, he's faster than Infinite casually, etc.
193 billion is several orders of magnitudes below what he actually scales to tho.
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Speed is equal regardless lol so ultimately the speed scaling should not matter here regardless
Sorry for the ring around
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oh lord, their scaling for AP (which scales to all their stats cuz Ki shenanigans), is pure madness
granted, I haven't seen a blog for it either, someone else might be able to provide a smidget of the scaling
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My boy
You are only chipping at piece of a FRAGMENT of the titanic sinking iceberg that is DBH AP scaling
I’ll create and post the full AP scaling chain later when I get my PC up and running
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I get that. I brought it up to begin with cuz matches don't get added if the usually slower character uses amps to win. Wanted to see if Shadow was faster since then the match can be added if he wins via amps.
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I figured. It's based on DB which has insane scaling chains thanks to Super Saiyan multipliers.
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Wow, so with his Durability negation he could possibly harm Shadow.
I would be sad if this could't get added.
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I think there may be more than purely SSJ multipliers, but I ain't too sure
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shouldn't dura neg already work on Invul users, or nah?
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One type of NPI doesn't make you interact with all types of intagibility, abstract NPI will not make you able to interact with someone made of gas for example, so just because one type of his NPI is 4D, doesn't make all of then be
Also what did i say about being civil dude?
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What is his durability neg? If it is space time rift stuff shadow resists
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In the page for Invunerilibity says that you would need a form of Durability negation to negate Invulnerability, but i not sure if Super Forms also negates that.
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I believe you missed the part where I said Ki users could interact with ghosts, beings of pure energy, intangible/invisible ki blasts, souls, illusions, and abstract beings made of pure will/thought
gas is not a good comparison
I treat it as banter, if you're offended, then my b
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Hearts form of dura neg isn't through space time, it's just any of his attacks bypassing defense
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Is on the profile:
Durability Negation (Can ignore his opponents durability and defensive skill), Damage Manipulation (Can boost his damage. Passively reduce his opponent's damage),
Why sometimes looks you don't the read the profiles?
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I wouldn't think they could, cuz they don't resist "Invulnerability Negation" or whatever, which just seems like regular dura neg tbh
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does dura Neg bypass invulnerability? I didn’t know it did if it does
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Shadow guard does
Yeah, and the abstract part is 4D since zamasu os 4D, what about the others tho? Like, does he have the 4D NPI to interact with jade ghost?
Ok then, shadow guard takes care of it then
Ok then, no worries i wasn't
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Just to give you guys a TASTE of what the AP scaling is like:
EARLY AF DBH Trunks is at THE VERY LEAST possible lowball baseline 2-A for being able to go toe-to-toe with Past Demigra (TT absorbed) and Demon God Demigra who already scale far into 2-A. But for the sake of low-balling we will call Trunks Baseline 2-A
Trunks needed SS3 to Mid-Difficulty beat both Demigra’s. SS3 is above SS2 which is an accepted x500 multiplier.
Later on, Trunks faces an EVEN stronger Demon God Demigra that had up to 2 more transformations that made him even stronger, and Trunks (alongside Vegeta) bested Demigra in all his forms easy-difficulty with Base alone (no super Saiyan)
Base Trunks at that point would be >>> SS3 Trunks that fought both Demigra’s prior. Making Base Trunks x500 above baseline 2-A
Add on the fact Trunks can still go SS3 which is above SS2 which is a x500 AP multiplier.
That means end of First DBH saga SS2/3 Trunks would now be x250,000 above baseline 2-A.
And ALL OF THIS is JUST IN THE VERY FIRST SAGA of DBH that released all the way back in 2016
EARLY AF DBH Trunks is at THE VERY LEAST possible lowball baseline 2-A for being able to go toe-to-toe with Past Demigra (TT absorbed) and Demon God Demigra who already scale far into 2-A. But for the sake of low-balling we will call Trunks Baseline 2-A
Trunks needed SS3 to Mid-Difficulty beat both Demigra’s. SS3 is above SS2 which is an accepted x500 multiplier.
Later on, Trunks faces an EVEN stronger Demon God Demigra that had up to 2 more transformations that made him even stronger, and Trunks (alongside Vegeta) bested Demigra in all his forms easy-difficulty with Base alone (no super Saiyan)
Base Trunks at that point would be >>> SS3 Trunks that fought both Demigra’s prior. Making Base Trunks x500 above baseline 2-A
Add on the fact Trunks can still go SS3 which is above SS2 which is a x500 AP multiplier.
That means end of First DBH saga SS2/3 Trunks would now be x250,000 above baseline 2-A.
And ALL OF THIS is JUST IN THE VERY FIRST SAGA of DBH that released all the way back in 2016
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I can't open any profil3 at the moment, pc is bugging
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weird, cuz I don't see that on his profile that he resists durability negation
knew you were implying some bull, but their NPI upscales with them, since Ki functions that way
what suggests a regular ass wisp, such as the jade ghost, is 4-D my guy
something that isn't listed in his resistances tab, thus can't be used, right?
aight
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When have i said that they were? I don't think you are understanding the problem here, it is 4D abstract space time NPI, does he has 4D NPI to jade's type of intangibility?
Yeah.........?
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nah nah, explain how the Jade Ghost is 4-D first, that's some vital info I need to know
are we.. agreeing on something..?
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I'll wait for the full scaling chain, but so far this is (relatively) tame.
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Why would that matter if the 4D NPI is not to the type of intangibility jade is?
I....think so.....
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When I get my PC I’ll be sure to post the rest tomorrow morning don’t you worry about that
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