Hearts vs Shadow

[Fezzih_007]

2-A for both, so Super Shadow is being used and ultimate godslayer for hearts
speed equal
Shadow have all his colors powers
They fight on Hope Peak Academy during the apocalypse overflowing with a bunch of monokumas arounds, that are also in space.

Votes
Hearts: Kokushibou

, AwkguyDB

, AStrangeverse

, Eseseso, thegreat,speedster352, Quantu

,TheGodOfICE777

, Dagoth_OwO

, Fezzih407,Greenshifter

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hearts#Universe_Mission


Shadow:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_the_Hedgehog_(Game)#Modern

Arale solos both of them: omegabronic

, GlaceonGamez471

, LaserPrecision

,ShakeResounding, The_Axiom_of_Virgo

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, this actually may be a stomp, not sure.

Edit: Or is not, is actually good then

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What are Arale's haxes? Especially if she has passives to see what Shadow is up against

 

[Fezzih_007]

What are Arale's haxes? Especially if she has passives to see what Shadow is up against

Well, there's a bunch so mind if i link you the profile instead of list them?

Arale Norimaki (Dr. Slump)

Hoyoyo!Arale Arale Norimaki (則巻アラレ, Norimaki Arare) is a robot built by Senbei Norimaki that looks like a little girl. She is known for her naivety, energetic personality, lack of common sense, and amazingly unbelievable strength. Among her strength, she can use abilities that range from the...

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[omegabronic]

Layered plot manip and highgodly regen and broken 4th wall break, tf is shadow supposed to do here?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Layered plot manip and highgodly regen and broken 4th wall break, tf is shadow supposed to do here?

Yeah, is a stomp then, i din't reach the plot manipulation on her page.

Ehhhh would help if i change the opponent?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yeah I suppose to someone less broken than Arale

 

[Fezzih_007]

Did it, i change the oppenent.

I actually forget a bunch about Hearts, but he looks cool.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Actually Arale don't uses her plot manipulation on Fusions or in her fusion form, so i don't think is In-Character, but okay.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Did it, i change the oppenent.

I actually forget a bunch about Hearts, but he looks cool.

SBA says strongest version, so Super Hearts
Hearts has "Power Nullification (Passively nullifies his opponents power and abilities. Can negate his opponent's ability to reduce statistics)"
Shadow has no listed resistance to power null, and even if he did, I wouldn't be surprised if it's layered or some shit

Dunno what else he has, didn't check too thoroughly, but there's that

 

[omegabronic]

Okay, shadow only needs to hit once since he has his temporal AOE nuke, what does hearts starts with?

 

[omegabronic]

Dunno what else he has, didn't check too thoroughly, but there's that

Does that power null has shown to null anything noteworthy from shadow?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

I'd suggest changing hearts to CC goku or Aios ngl

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why?

I'd suggest changing hearts to CC goku or Aios ngl

 

[TheGreatBanana]

because they are more versatile

Why?

 

[LaserPrecision]

because they are more versatile

I think we already did a Sonic and CC Goku match. It'd be nice to use someone different. If it's a stomp in Shadow's favor or something we could swap it. But if it's not, there's no reason to tbh.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also, no one used Hearts yet, so i think is cool to debut him.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Does that power null has shown to null anything noteworthy from shadow?

Idk, I know nothin about dbh

 

[Fezzih_007]

Okay, shadow only needs to hit once since he has his temporal AOE nuke, what does hearts starts with?

What AoE temporal Nuke?

 

[omegabronic]

Shadow usually starts with chaos control or a boost to hit the enemy, what does hearts starts with?

 

[omegabronic]

What AoE temporal Nuke?

Shadow hits the oponent through all moments in time all of his attacks, pretty that it is in the profile ij the range section

Plus shadow also conceptually attacks the enemy

 

[AStrangeverse]

usually gravity shenanigans and heart reading is what hearts starts with

 

[Fezzih_007]

Shadow hits the oponent through all moments in time all of his attacks, pretty that it is in the profile ij the range section

Plus shadow also conceptually attacks the enemy

Ins't tha acasaulity? Because i pretty sure Hearts resist that.

 

[AStrangeverse]

Ins't tha acasaulity? Because i pretty sure Hearts resist that.

they consider it causality manip

 

[VinnyXD]

When Dragon Ball characters actually have haxes lol

 

[omegabronic]

Ins't tha acasaulity? Because i pretty sure Hearts resist that.

You can't really resist it since shadow is using on himself and not the oponent

 

[omegabronic]

usually gravity shenanigans and heart reading is what hearts starts with

Heart reading?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Heart reading?

Is on the profily saying that is Telephaty.

 

[Fezzih_007]

You can't really resist it since shadow is using on himself and not the oponent

Oh... what does that mean?

 

[omegabronic]

Oh... what does that mean?

He is using causality manip on himselfto hit through all of time, not on his oponent for it to be resisted

 

[LaserPrecision]

You can't really resist it since shadow is using on himself and not the oponent

We already talked about this. That argument doesn't work DEPENDING on the resistance to causality manipulation they have. If they have a resistance where killing their past selves has no affect on them, then Shadow's ability to hit them throughout time is useless. He'll just be killing past versions of the character which does nothing to the present version. If they DON'T have that resistance though, then it won't work. While you're right about Shadow's attacks being conceptual, I have not yet made the CRT for that. We can't use it.

 

[Fezzih_007]

He is using causality manip on himselfto hit through all of time, not on his oponent for it to be resisted

But he hitting Hearts to attack him on all time, right? So hearts resist.

 

[omegabronic]

We already talked about this. That argument doesn't work DEPENDING on the resistance to causality manipulation they have. If they have a resistance where killing their past selves has no affect on them, then Shadow's ability to hit them throughout time is useless.

Not really, shadow's causality manip works on acausals type 4, and he himself is an acausal type 4, so his cause and effect is of a different system making that just resisting cause and effect not to be enough, i am sure that there is some busted stuff to not be affected by it, but also he is always be going to hit the opone t in every moment, stacking damage to infinity

He'll just be killing past versions of the character which does nothing to the present version.

And the future and present versions as well, the immediate future would also be hit with the attacks

If they DON'T have that resistance though, then it won't work. While you're right about Shadow's attacks being conceptual, I have not yet made the CRT for that. We can't use it.

Conceptual manipulation remember? That is scaling to super sonic, who has it in every attack via hitting and killing the end

 

[omegabronic]

But he hitting Hearts to attack him on all time, right? So hearts resist.

No, he is using on himself to make his attacks spread through all of time

 

[LaserPrecision]

Shadow's ability shouldn't be considered causality manip for those looking. It should just be listed as limited offensive space-time manipulation since it lets him hit the target throughout every instance of time from beginning to end. That said, I didn't see causality resistance on Hearts profile. Did I miss it?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Shadow's ability shouldn't be considered causality manip for those looking. It should just be listed as limited offensive space-time manipulation since it lets him hit the target throughout every instance of time from beginning to end. That said, I didn't see causality resistance on Hearts profile. Did I miss it?

He resist dark ki, which have that:

Special Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball)

Ki (気 "Ki", lit. "Spirit"), also known as Chi/Qi, Yōki (妖気) or simply Energy (エネルギー 'enerugī'), is a famous and central power in the Dragon Ball franchise. In the Dragon Ball Heroes multiverse, Ki is expanded into many more unique, special types of Ki, used by different beings, races which is...

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[LaserPrecision]

Not really, shadow's causality manip works on acausals type 4, and he himself is an acausal type 4, so his cause and effect is of a different system making that just resisting cause and effect not to be enough, i am sure that there is some busted stuff to not be affected by it, but also he is always be going to hit the opone t in every moment, stacking damage to infinity

No, it wouldn't really affect him. If he's removed from causality, no type of hax regardless of if it works on those of a different causality system will work on them. If killing their past self has no affect on them since they are removed from causality (or are resistant to it), then Shadow attacking him throughout time won't work. The only way it will is if it's shown to bypass resistances in canon.

And the future and present versions as well, the immediate future would also be hit with the attacks

Hitting someones future self doesn't affect their present self though. That only affects Solaris because one version of himself existed throughout all of time.

 

[LaserPrecision]

He resist dark ki, which have that:

Special Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball)

Ki (気 "Ki", lit. "Spirit"), also known as Chi/Qi, Yōki (妖気) or simply Energy (エネルギー 'enerugī'), is a famous and central power in the Dragon Ball franchise. In the Dragon Ball Heroes multiverse, Ki is expanded into many more unique, special types of Ki, used by different beings, races which is...

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Was Hearts shown to resist that specific application of Dark Ki? If not, there isn't a reason to assume he resists causality manip.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Was Hearts shown to resist that specific application of Dark Ki? If not, there isn't a reason to assume he resists causality manip.

It seems that is passive, so yeah, he was around cumber and was not affected.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It seems that is passive, so yeah, he was around cumber and was not affected.

When I read the Dark Ki page, it didnt seem passive. It just seems like it allows the user to segment or change the past or something which alters history.